CONSOLIDATION EC-CS Vs SEM-BCS

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Hi All,
Please explain me the difference btween
1. CONSOLIDATION SEM BCS AND CONSOLIDATION
EC CS.
2. under what circumstances each SEM BCS or EC CS will be used.
3. if possible plz give an example or a scenario.
thanks in advance.
Regards
Sirisha

Hi,
BCS is Business consolidation and Simulation and EC CS is Consolidation and Simulation in ECC 6.0 BCS is entirely out side R/3 and EC CS is R/3, here they have included some features in R/3 for consolidation and at the same time BCS is out side R/3 and has more features....while taking the reports then you take help of BW... end of the day you will get the data from R/3 even for BCS also...
Hope understood
Thanks,
Vasu...

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Concept of Integrated Consolidation Unit of SEM BCS

HI Experts,
I'm now in the SEM BCS 4.0 and BW 3.5 implementation. Previously I was the ECCS specialist and before the FI and AM specialist.
Now I'm in SEM BCS implementation.
I have one question in connection to the integrated consolidation unit. As the reference, I take the concept of this using the ECCS.
As you might know, the creation of integrated consolidation unit for using realtime update method in ECCS, is pulled from FI company ID.
Meanings if I set the configuration properly, I can pull out the company master data as the consolidation unit master data in consolidation monitor.
Now, in SEM BCS, I want to do the same thing. I mean, off course I can create company ID in R/3 and then create the consolidation unit manually using UCWB. But this scenario can create inconsistency, and I also think this is not the right concept of doing integration between R/3 and SEM BCS.
My question is : what is the concept of this master data integration, and what is the proper way to do it?
Any advise on this question is highly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
regards,
Halim

Hi Halim,
You need to build properly your data basis in data model.
Assign your company to a consolidation unit role:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_sem350bw/helpdata/en/dd/f3783bcfef4a2de10000000a114084/frameset.htm
I sent to you the file concerning BCS that you asked for in another thread.
Best regards,
Eugene

SEM BCS - Consolidation Chart of Accounts

Hi all,
For the SEM-BCS implementation I am using ECC as the operational system. ECC folks are in the process of building a group chart of account in FI.
Can you suggests the work around to map group chart of account to consolidation chart of account in SEM-BCS?
Thanks in advance
RJ

I am not sure if anybody has replied you.
In SEM 4.0, You need to download the chart from R3 and then upload as hierrachy in the UCWB workbench.
In SEM.6.0, You have master data load direct from R3 and you can do the same.
Functional advice:-
Normally R3 creates operational chart of account in R3. Each account has a group account feild, if populated the mapping of operational chart to group is amintained in R3 itself.
You can upload the GL master with group chart account number and then this will obviously have the mapping for your use in BCS.
Consolidation chart of account in R3 (if its the accepted group chart) will be the same group chart which your ECC guys are preparing.
Are they using ECCS in R3??
Rgds
Samir Neji

SAP BPC Consolidations vs SEM-BCS

Hi all,
Has anyone compared the features/functionalities of SAP BPC Consolidation with SEM-BCS consolidation? What are the advantages of BPC Consolidation over SEM-BCS, and vice-versa? For a brand new implementation, what is the preferred tool?
Thanks,
Sujoy Banerjee

Hi Sujoy,
In general if you are starting out with a new implementation, BPC is the recommended solution for several reasons:
1) It's a unified solution offering both Consolidations and Planning
2) It's designed to be owned and managed by business users, not IT
3) It's integrated with the Enterprise Performance Management for Finance suite, which also includes profitability and strategy management
If however you need support for complex consolidation scenarios, such as legal consolidations, you may want to consider BCS.
You should be able to find several documents comparing the two solutions if you go the Support Center (https://websmp104.sap-ag.de/support) and do a document search on BPC vs. BCS.
Hope this helps.
Chris Clay

SEM-BCS how to make Consolidation Unit with Business Area

Hi all,
I am newbie in SEM-BCS and implementing BW-based BCS. Our situation is as follows.
Situation
- we have 7 companies worldwide and 4 different Business areas.
   Every company consists of at least two business areas in R/3.
- we have sales transaction in FI among companies.
requirement
- we need consolidated F/S in whole consolidation group and consolidated F/S in Business area level.
actually, we are planning to make the consolidation unit in company level.
Do we have to break down consolidation unit in business area? or just breakdown category solves our requirement?
If we have sales transaction even between business areas within certain company, do we have to make it in business area?

Following are the answer to your questions
Q:   What to do for using this cube in BCS?
A:    Add the business area to the cube. Generate the data basis and the business area gets added to all ODS/DSO , virtual cube.
Suggestion: To avoid deleting the Profit center cube, since you can reduce the complication.
Q:   Is it the problem about DATA BASIS Role?
A:   No. Assign the role of subassignment or consolidation unit as needed. If you are giving the role of consolidation unit to business area, you need to insert the char Partner business area also in the cube.
Q:   Is there some materials to solve this situation?
A:   Refer the matrix consolidation material in help.sap.com from BCS portion. As per SAP literature any relevant object can be made as second consolidation unit such as business area, functional area etc. Dont fear. Once you start it the issue will be resolved in few days.
Expected complication:
If you are going to make business area as subassignment then it is simple. But if you are making business area as Consolidation unit, go for partner business area in cube.
Ensure with your BI consultant that all BCS messages are addressed in BI infoobject for business area specifically.
Things can get complicated only if we allow for it get complicated. But you are doing great.. Keep posted.. Good luck.!!!..

Preparation for Consolidation in SEM-BCS.

Hello All,
Im implementing SEM - BCS (BW-based). I have the following versions:
- R/3: SAP ECC 6.0
- BW: 7.0
- SEM: 6.0
What do I have to customize in R/3 in order to extract the correct data to BW?
Do I have to do all the customization in transaction SPRO (Enterprise Controlling -> Integration: Preparation for Consolidation)?
I know that I have to create the companies and assign them to the company codes. I also have to create group chart of accounts and assign it to the transactional chart of accounts.
Can I do this in the account master data or do I have to have a Financial Statement Version for the Group?
Is it necessary to maintain Transaction Types for Consolidation?
Do I have to customize the Consolidation Staging Ledger and extract the data from here to BW?
I think I have to customize all this, but because all this transactions are in EC-CS customizing and I want to implement SEM - BCS (in BW), Im not sure if this is the right path.
Can anyone help me?
Regards,
Helena

Helena Coelho wrote:Helena Coelho wrote:Helena Coelho wrote:Helena Coelho wrote:
GANSHA,
what you are telling me is:
- I don´t have to do the customization in ECC. The only thing I have to do is, identify the tables and extract the data I need to BW.
But this way, how does the system know, which postings are from group companies or not?
The company code in R/3 is equivalent to company (consolidation unit role) in BCS. The Group companies are created in BCS and the companies in BCS are under those group companies.
If I were you, I would check whether Fiscal Year Variant is same across all company codes in R/3. I would also check whether parallel currencies are activated or not. Non-activation of parallel currency is not issue, but I will try to understand what are all the currencies involved and the currency translation flow.
I have created the companies in ECC in order to fill the "Trading Partner" field in the master data ( vendor, customer and G/L accounts) and to use on FI postings.
Yes, you have taken the right steps.
I have created the transaction types in ECC in order to use them on FI postings.
None of this is necessary? I dont have all the company codes in SAP, some of the data will be uploaded to BW by file.
The transaction types in ECC are different from the transaction types (also known as Movement Types) in BCS. You will continue to maintain the FI transaction types.
Regarding the chart of accounts, I dont have a group chart of accounts. For what I understand theres two ways:
- creating a group chart of accounts in ECC and in BW will be available as part of the GL account master data
or
- creating Financial statement items for consolidation in ECC, Build a Financial Statement Version for the Group (linking the operational chart of accounts to the consolidation items).
I think, this is the only way for me to use the consolidation staging ledger (totals table GLT3)? Or am I wrong?
What you are telling me is that I dont have to do this in ECC, but in BCS customizing?
Im confused ... please help me!!!
Helena
In your ECC, whether GLT3 table is activated? In many clients' companies, GLT3 table is not activated. The GL totals data is available in BSEG table.
If you do not have Group COA/ Group GL accounts maintained now, there are many ways to get GL totals data with Group GL level info added. You have already mentioned the steps.
One more method is create a custom mapping table of Operational GL accounts with Group GL accounts outside R/3 (to be maintained as part of BW) and make your R/3 GL totals data to flow thru this table, so that the final data in BW is available in both operational GL accounts and Group GL accounts. Developers will be able to help you.
Edited by: GANSHA on Jan 11, 2008 8:39 AM

FI-GL Activating for Consolidation SEM BCS

Hello together,
can somebody tell me in a few steps how to activate the FI-GL (0FI_GL_6) that it can be used for consolidation in SEM BCS. My problem is that FI_GL_6 (and also FIGL_C10 for new FI-GL) have not all required fields for consolidation in SEM BCS, especially movement type is missing.
I know how to use the BCS data collection functionality "load of data stream" and I also know how to activate the BI Content for FI (and how to connect the data basis from BCS with the "FI Cube" via source data basis).
But how can I prepare the FI Cube (DataSource, InfoSource) that it concludes all neccessary informations?
I need following InfoObjects in the BI Content: how to?
these InfoObjects are not containend in the standard FI-GL Business Content...or do you know other possibilities for getting FI-GL data in BW and ready for consolidation in BCS?
0PCOMPANY
0MOVE_TYPE
nicht notwendig
0FUNC_AREA
0COMP_CODE
0PROFIT_CTR
0COUNTRY
0PCOMPANY
0GL_ACCOUNT
Thanks for support

Hi MP M,
Hi Install all the components related to that flow.I mean Datasource,Transfer rules,Infosource,Update rules,Cube.Then nothing is missing in this flow which are in BI Content.
For the Info objects not in the flow
Search them individually from the BI Content and Install them.Later you map them respective fields in the transfer rules manually.Then maintain update rules to them.
Hope this helps
Regards
Karthik

How to prepare FI-GL for Consolidation in SEM BCS

Hello together,
can somebody tell me in a few steps how to activate the FI-GL (0FI_GL_6) that it can be used for consolidation in SEM BCS. My problem is that FI_GL_6 (and also FIGL_C10 for new FI-GL) have not all required fields for consolidation in SEM BCS, especially movement type is missing.
I know how to use the BCS data collection functionality "load of data stream" and I also know how to activate the BI Content for FI (and how to connect the data basis from BCS with the "FI Cube" via source data basis).
But how can I prepare the FI Cube (DataSource, InfoSource) that it concludes all neccessary informations?
Thanks for support.

we consolidate on the BSEG tables for actuals and GLPCP for plan data, it all depends on your business requirements, if you feel that the details out of GL_6 is insufficient find out the tables that bring the needed information and build a custom data source, but my guess is that the content datasrc's should solve the issue in most cases.

Difference SEM-BCS and BO PLanning & Consolidation

Hi all,
as announced in the subject. I was wondering what the difference between SEM-BCS and BO Planning & Consolidation is(so referring to the consolidation part)?
Is BO Planning & Consolidation = BO Planning + SEM BCS
Looking forward to your ideas!
Best regards
Hagen

Hi Collet,
Sorry I have no time to make a full-fledged comparison SEM-BCS and SAP BPC as you asked.
Regarding your last link: very interesting information. Thank you very much.
The citation from the article:
Known Limitations
In SAP BusinessObjects Planning and Consolidation (BPC), organizations (i.e. entities and groups/consolidation scopes) car vary according to Category and Time. However, all the other dimensions are static, which means they have neither category nor time dependency. As a result, the model presented here will use static Profit Center and Intercompany Profit Center dimensions.
Eliminations (so called Automatic Adjustments in BPC) are primarily driven by Legal Entity and Intercompany dimensions. As a result, when it comes to Matrix Consolidation, each elimination will still occur based on this fact. So, basically, an elimination is triggered if both an Entity and the Intercompany entity are being consolidated under the same node (i.e. Group or Consolidation scope). In other words, BPC does not evaluate as such the Profit Center and Intercompany Profit Center dimensions when it comes to performing eliminations. Amounts will be eliminated based on the Legal Entity view. However, it is possible to analyze and group eliminations by Profit Center later on. As a result, Matrix consolidation will heavily leverage the reporting/filtering capabilities of the product.
I'm afraid that in SEM-BCS' sense the Matrix consolidation has much more deep meaning than that presented here.

SEM BCS - Error in Consolidation Area

Dear Experts,
When i save my consolidation area, there is an error message.
it is "Syntax error in GP_ERR_UCDTYPE, row 8.880".
The Diagnosis said "Component called REFYEAR already exists".
I can not found "REFYEAR" in my system.
I am using info cube 0BCS_C11.
Please help....
Thanks in advance.

Hello
Though I am not an expert in this area I have found the following information with a similar problem in another customer that maybe useful:
"On the basis of your problem description it seems that you assigned in
the data basis maintenance the `SEM-BCS info-object catalogue` for
characteristics and key figures to the two info-object catalogues (on
the first tab strip of data basis maintenance). This makes the trouble.
Please read the F1 help carefully and if you need an extra info-object
catalogue, then please create one. Please note that the SEM-BCS standard
info-object catalogues are NOT appropriate for this purpose.
F1 help:
"InfoObject Catalog for Characteristics
InfoObject catalog of the SAP Business Information Warehouse to include
additional characteristics.
Use
You use this field as follows:
In a data basis, the InfoObject catalog contains the quantity of
additional fields that can be selected on the Additional Financial Data
tab page for investments and equity.
In a source data basis, the InfoObject catalog portrays the definition
of an external field catalog, which can be used in a method of the
category Flexible Upload, if a data basis was allocated to the source
data basis."
In order to remove the info-object catalogs you can use the transaction
UCWB01.
Hope it helps .
Regards
Javier

SEM BCS - Partnership Consolidation

Hi friends:
Please let me know the following:
a) What is a Partnership consolidation and which version covers it?
b) What are new features in SEM 6.0 and where do I get documentation?
I thank you in advance for the above information.
Sincerely,
Virgo

Virgo,
IMHO, it should mean the multilevel ownership between the companies involved.
In this context I treat the partnership as a different share belonged to this or that party.
Like: Company A has 80% of Company B which in turn has 90% of Company D etc.
There is no special functionality needed. SEM-BCS covers purchase and equity methods.
That is all is needed here, I guess.
Hope this helps.

Consolidation SEM BCS Vs EC CS

Hi All,
Please explain me the difference btween
1. Consolidation SEM BCS and Consolidation EC CS.
2. under what circumstances each SEM BCS or EC CS will be used.
3. if possible plz give an example or a scenario.
thanks in advance. i apperciate for reply.
Regards
Sirisha

Hello
SEM BCS and ECCS both are consolidation applications of SAP System.
ECCS is based on R/3 where as SEM BCS is based on BW.
There are no special circumstances, however SEM BCS is the latest version. Moreover the recent direction of SAP is towards BPC u2013
Business Planning & Consolidation.
Hope this helps.
Ambadas

SEM BCS(Business Consolidation)

Hi Friends,
I am wroking BW.But now i need to work on SEM BCS.I am very new to SEM. Plz can any one provide me some meterial on SEM BCS.
Thanks

Hi,
please take a look at this site: http://service.sap.com/~form/sapnet?_SHORTKEY=01100035870000688351&.
About BCS transactions I found this thread: https://forums.sdn.sap.com/click.jspa?searchID=329906&messageID=549616.
Some more useful links....
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_sem320bcs/helpdata/de/a6/ece73c2d1011d299250000e8a5999a/frameset.htm
http://www.sapprofessionals.org/?q=sem_bcs_key_design_considerations_for_integration_points
http://sapnewbie.blogspot.com/2006/03/sap-sem-bcs.html
http://www.pragmatek.com/news/BW%20Reprint%20Jun%202004.pdf
Follow this link.
https://websmp103.sap-ag.de/sem
you have to go TO
media library -> presentations -> SEM-BCS. Here u can find the relative document.
Hope this helps
Happy Life,
Aravind

SEM-BCS Short Dump while executing Manual Posting Task

Hi SEM-BCS Colleagues,
I am having a peculiar problem with relation to the settings for Manual Postings. I have three scenarios for which I have defined manual document types and tasks 1) Standardizing Entry (Data Collection) 2) Manual Document in IU for adjustment 3) COI Group level manual postings. I am just creating and not changing any settings for document field properties also. I have configured monthly consolidation frequency and period category and I am posting document type 1 in Local Currency and 2 and 3 in Group Currency since they are after currency translation.
Have any of you faced similar problem and help me please?

Hello,
I am also getting short dump during data collection in BCS.
we recently upgraded the system to SP20. Is it anyway related to upgrade.
I also checked the MYSELF as a source system, but not found one.
Could you please let me know how you have solved this issue.
short dump:
Runtime Errors         PERFORM_TOO_MANY_PARAMETERS
Exception              CX_SY_DYN_CALL_PARAM_NOT_FOUND
Date and Time          04.12.2009 05:21:11
Short text
     Too many parameters specified with PERFORM.
What happened?
     In a subroutine call, there were more parameters than in the
     routine definition.
     Error in the ABAP Application Program
     The current ABAP program "SAPLRSDRI" had to be terminated because it has
     come across a statement that unfortunately cannot be executed.
Error analysis
     An exception occurred that is explained in detail below.
     The exception, which is assigned to class 'CX_SY_DYN_CALL_PARAM_NOT_FOUND', was
      not caught in
     procedure "RSDRI_CUBE_WRITE_PACKAGE_RFC" "(FUNCTION)", nor was it propagated by
      a RAISING clause.
     Since the caller of the procedure could not have anticipated that the
     exception would occur, the current program is terminated.
     The reason for the exception is:
     A PERFORM was used to call the routine "CUBE_WRITE_PACKAGE" of the program
      "GPD1S8520HM8UV0U2XBDVPADF03".
     This routine contains 7 formal parameters, but the current call
     contains 10 actual parameters.

How SEM BCS handled balance carried forward?

Hi,
I would like to find out how SEM BCS handled balance carried forward?
Income statement
Profit after Tax - 50
Balance Sheet
Retained profit (last year) - 100
Current Year profit - 50
How do i configurate 'Profit after Tax' = 'Current Year profit' in workbench? Is BCS going to store the computed results?
Balance items (ie 'Retained profit (last year)' and 'Current Year profit') by default are carry forward to next year in BCS.
Do i need to configurate 'Current Year profit' add to 'Retained profit (last year)'?
Pls advise.
Thanks.
Regards, Renee

Hi Renee,
By default, the balance sheet items are to be carried forward to next year. If you dont make any settings, both items, Retained profit (last year) and Current Year profit will be transferred to themselves, that is not correct.
You need to show the system which items are to be carried forward not to themselves.
To force the system to make the proper transfer, in UCWB go to Consolidation Functions -> Balance Carryforward -> Items to be Carried Forward.
Enter there the following information:
<b>Orig. Item__________Debit Item_______Credit Item</b>
Current Year profit____RE (last year)_____RE (last year)
Do the similar operation for all items to be carried to other than themselves items, for example dividends of the current and last years etc.
Hope this helps.

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