Control_file_record_keep_time vs retention policy

Its not thread nor question just read from documents and tried to imply the fact of documents and i think its written correct what i tried to do proof it practically ,neither i am trying to be smart just share with you guys is my observation correct or not.i am using FRA area for backup.
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Relation between RMAN retention period and control_file_record_keep_time
RMAN backup keeps the backup metadata information in the reusable section of the controlfile.Its depends on the parameter CONTROL_FILE_RECORD_KEEP_TIME. CONTROL_FILE_RECORD_KEEP_TIME specifies the minimum number of days before a reusable record in the control file can be reused.
In the event a new record needs to be added to a reusable section and there is not enough space then it will delete the oldest record, which are aged enough.
Backup retention policy is the rule to set regarding which backups must be retained (whether on disk or other backup media) to meet the recovery and other requirements.
If the CONTROL_FILE_RECORD_KEEP_TIME is less than the retention policy then it may overwrite reusable records prior to obsoleting them in the RMAN metadata. Therfor it is recommended that the CONTROL_FILE_RECORD_KEEP_TIME should set to a higher value than the retention policy.
Formula
CONTROL_FILE_RECORD_KEEP_TIME = retention period + level 0 backup interval + 1
For e.g.
e.q. level 0 backup once a week with retention policy of a recovery windows of 14 days then in this
case the CONTROL_FILE_RECORD_KEEP_TIME should be 14+7+1=22
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RMAN> show retention policy
2> ;
RMAN configuration parameters are:
CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO REDUNDANCY 1; # default
SQL> show parameter control_file_record_keep_time
NAME                                 TYPE        VALUE
control_file_record_keep_time        integer     7
SQL>
SQL> alter system set control_file_record_keep_time=1
2 /
System altered.
SQL> show parameter control_file_record_keep_time
NAME                                 TYPE        VALUE
control_file_record_keep_time        integer     1
RMAN> configure retention policy to redundancy 3
2> ;
new RMAN configuration parameters:
CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO REDUNDANCY 3;
new RMAN configuration parameters are successfully stored
RMAN> show retention policy
2> ;
RMAN configuration parameters are:
CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO REDUNDANCY 3;
RMAN> backup database
2> ;
Starting backup at 20-NOV-07
allocated channel: ORA_DISK_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: sid=126 devtype=DISK
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting full datafile backupset
channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying datafile(s) in backupset
input datafile fno=00001 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSTEM01.DBF
input datafile fno=00003 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSAUX01.DBF
input datafile fno=00002 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\UNDOTBS01.DBF
input datafile fno=00004 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\USERS01.DBF
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting piece 1 at 20-NOV-07
channel ORA_DISK_1: finished piece 1 at 20-NOV-07
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\BACKUPSET\2007_11_20\O1_MF_NN
NDF_TAG20071120T185951_3N5T2RTX_.BKP comment=NONE
channel ORA_DISK_1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:01:17
Finished backup at 20-NOV-07
Starting Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 20-NOV-07
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\AUTOBACKUP\2007_11_20\O1_MF_S
_639169270_3N5T598C_.BKP comment=NONE
Finished Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 20-NOV-07
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 3
no obsolete backups found
RMAN> backup database
2> ;
Starting backup at 20-NOV-07
using channel ORA_DISK_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting full datafile backupset
channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying datafile(s) in backupset
input datafile fno=00001 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSTEM01.DBF
input datafile fno=00003 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSAUX01.DBF
input datafile fno=00002 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\UNDOTBS01.DBF
input datafile fno=00004 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\USERS01.DBF
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting piece 1 at 20-NOV-07
channel ORA_DISK_1: finished piece 1 at 20-NOV-07
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\BACKUPSET\2007_11_20\O1_MF_NN
NDF_TAG20071120T190313_3N5T94SG_.BKP comment=NONE
channel ORA_DISK_1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:01:22
Finished backup at 20-NOV-07
Starting Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 20-NOV-07
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\AUTOBACKUP\2007_11_20\O1_MF_S
_639169477_3N5TCPVW_.BKP comment=NONE
Finished Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 20-NOV-07
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 3
no obsolete backups found
RMAN> backup database
2> ;
Starting backup at 20-NOV-07
using channel ORA_DISK_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting full datafile backupset
channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying datafile(s) in backupset
input datafile fno=00001 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSTEM01.DBF
input datafile fno=00003 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSAUX01.DBF
input datafile fno=00002 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\UNDOTBS01.DBF
input datafile fno=00004 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\USERS01.DBF
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting piece 1 at 20-NOV-07
channel ORA_DISK_1: finished piece 1 at 20-NOV-07
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\BACKUPSET\2007_11_20\O1_MF_NN
NDF_TAG20071120T190500_3N5TDGC9_.BKP comment=NONE
channel ORA_DISK_1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:55
Finished backup at 20-NOV-07
Starting Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 20-NOV-07
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\AUTOBACKUP\2007_11_20\O1_MF_S
_639169556_3N5TG65X_.BKP comment=NONE
Finished Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 20-NOV-07
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 3
Report of obsolete backups and copies
Type                 Key    Completion Time    Filename/Handle
Archive Log          30     19-NOV-07          C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC
\ORC\ARCHIVELOG\2007_11_19\O1_MF_1_1_3N35QQX7_.ARC
Archive Log          31     19-NOV-07          C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC
\ORC\ARCHIVELOG\2007_11_19\O1_MF_1_2_3N39LR86_.ARC
Archive Log          32     20-NOV-07          C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC
\ORC\ARCHIVELOG\2007_11_20\O1_MF_1_3_3N4RZBXV_.ARC
Archive Log          33     20-NOV-07          C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC
\ORC\ARCHIVELOG\2007_11_20\O1_MF_1_4_3N4W8SLF_.ARC
Archive Log          34     20-NOV-07          C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC
\ORC\ARCHIVELOG\2007_11_20\O1_MF_1_5_3N4Y1CN7_.ARC
Archive Log          35     20-NOV-07          C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC
\ORC\ARCHIVELOG\2007_11_20\O1_MF_1_6_3N4Z6LGF_.ARC
Archive Log          36     20-NOV-07          C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC
\ORC\ARCHIVELOG\2007_11_20\O1_MF_1_7_3N53S4XK_.ARC
Archive Log          37     20-NOV-07          C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC
\ORC\ARCHIVELOG\2007_11_20\O1_MF_1_8_3N57XHYB_.ARC
Archive Log          38     20-NOV-07          C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC
\ORC\ARCHIVELOG\2007_11_20\O1_MF_1_9_3N5C52D8_.ARC
Archive Log          39     20-NOV-07          C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC
\ORC\ARCHIVELOG\2007_11_20\O1_MF_1_10_3N5C83YB_.ARC
Archive Log          40     20-NOV-07          C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC
\ORC\ARCHIVELOG\2007_11_20\O1_MF_1_11_3N5K9J2Z_.ARC
Archive Log          41     20-NOV-07          C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC
\ORC\ARCHIVELOG\2007_11_20\O1_MF_1_12_3N5MMXHO_.ARC
Archive Log          42     20-NOV-07          C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC
\ORC\ARCHIVELOG\2007_11_20\O1_MF_1_13_3N5N566W_.ARC
Archive Log          43     20-NOV-07          C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC
\ORC\ARCHIVELOG\2007_11_20\O1_MF_1_14_3N5RVB4G_.ARC
RMAN>
Now i just delete alls backup and increase the control_file_record_keep_time 7 which will be more then retention policy redundancy 3
RMAN> list backup
2> ;
List of Backup Sets
===================
BS Key Type LV Size       Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
6       Full    512M       DISK        00:01:10     20-NOV-07
        BP Key: 6   Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20071120T185951
        Piece Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\BACKUPSET\2007_11_20\O
1_MF_NNNDF_TAG20071120T185951_3N5T2RTX_.BKP
List of Datafiles in backup set 6
File LV Type Ckp SCN    Ckp Time Name
1       Full 478504     20-NOV-07 C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSTEM01
.DBF
2       Full 478504     20-NOV-07 C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\UNDOTBS0
1.DBF
3       Full 478504     20-NOV-07 C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSAUX01
.DBF
4       Full 478504     20-NOV-07 C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\USERS01.
DBF
BS Key Type LV Size       Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
7       Full    2M         DISK        00:00:04     20-NOV-07
        BP Key: 7   Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20071120T190110
        Piece Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\AUTOBACKUP\2007_11_20\
O1_MF_S_639169270_3N5T598C_.BKP
Controlfile Included: Ckp SCN: 478975       Ckp time: 20-NOV-07
SPFILE Included: Modification time: 20-NOV-07
BS Key Type LV Size       Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
8       Full    513M       DISK        00:01:15     20-NOV-07
        BP Key: 8   Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20071120T190313
        Piece Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\BACKUPSET\2007_11_20\O
1_MF_NNNDF_TAG20071120T190313_3N5T94SG_.BKP
List of Datafiles in backup set 8
File LV Type Ckp SCN    Ckp Time Name
1       Full 480265     20-NOV-07 C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSTEM01
.DBF
2       Full 480265     20-NOV-07 C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\UNDOTBS0
1.DBF
3       Full 480265     20-NOV-07 C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSAUX01
.DBF
4       Full 480265     20-NOV-07 C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\USERS01.
DBF
BS Key Type LV Size       Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
9       Full    2M         DISK        00:00:02     20-NOV-07
        BP Key: 9   Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20071120T190437
        Piece Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\AUTOBACKUP\2007_11_20\
O1_MF_S_639169477_3N5TCPVW_.BKP
Controlfile Included: Ckp SCN: 480346       Ckp time: 20-NOV-07
SPFILE Included: Modification time: 20-NOV-07
BS Key Type LV Size       Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
10      Full    513M       DISK        00:00:52     20-NOV-07
        BP Key: 10   Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20071120T190500
        Piece Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\BACKUPSET\2007_11_20\O
1_MF_NNNDF_TAG20071120T190500_3N5TDGC9_.BKP
List of Datafiles in backup set 10
File LV Type Ckp SCN    Ckp Time Name
1       Full 480415     20-NOV-07 C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSTEM01
.DBF
2       Full 480415     20-NOV-07 C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\UNDOTBS0
1.DBF
3       Full 480415     20-NOV-07 C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSAUX01
.DBF
4       Full 480415     20-NOV-07 C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\USERS01.
DBF
BS Key Type LV Size       Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
11      Full    2M         DISK        00:00:02     20-NOV-07
        BP Key: 11   Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20071120T190556
        Piece Name: C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\AUTOBACKUP\2007_11_20\
O1_MF_S_639169556_3N5TG65X_.BKP
Controlfile Included: Ckp SCN: 480449       Ckp time: 20-NOV-07
SPFILE Included: Modification time: 20-NOV-07
RMAN> delete backup
2> ;
using channel ORA_DISK_1
List of Backup Pieces
BP Key BS Key Pc# Cp# Status      Device Type Piece Name
6       6       1   1   AVAILABLE   DISK        C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\OR
C\ORC\BACKUPSET\2007_11_20\O1_MF_NNNDF_TAG20071120T185951_3N5T2RTX_.BKP
7       7       1   1   AVAILABLE   DISK        C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\OR
C\ORC\AUTOBACKUP\2007_11_20\O1_MF_S_639169270_3N5T598C_.BKP
8       8       1   1   AVAILABLE   DISK        C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\OR
C\ORC\BACKUPSET\2007_11_20\O1_MF_NNNDF_TAG20071120T190313_3N5T94SG_.BKP
9       9       1   1   AVAILABLE   DISK        C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\OR
C\ORC\AUTOBACKUP\2007_11_20\O1_MF_S_639169477_3N5TCPVW_.BKP
10      10      1   1   AVAILABLE   DISK        C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\OR
C\ORC\BACKUPSET\2007_11_20\O1_MF_NNNDF_TAG20071120T190500_3N5TDGC9_.BKP
11      11      1   1   AVAILABLE   DISK        C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\OR
C\ORC\AUTOBACKUP\2007_11_20\O1_MF_S_639169556_3N5TG65X_.BKP
Do you really want to delete the above objects (enter YES or NO)? yes
deleted backup piece
backup piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\BACKUPSET\2007_11_20\O
1_MF_NNNDF_TAG20071120T185951_3N5T2RTX_.BKP recid=6 stamp=639169192
deleted backup piece
backup piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\AUTOBACKUP\2007_11_20\
O1_MF_S_639169270_3N5T598C_.BKP recid=7 stamp=639169273
deleted backup piece
backup piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\BACKUPSET\2007_11_20\O
1_MF_NNNDF_TAG20071120T190313_3N5T94SG_.BKP recid=8 stamp=639169396
deleted backup piece
backup piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\AUTOBACKUP\2007_11_20\
O1_MF_S_639169477_3N5TCPVW_.BKP recid=9 stamp=639169478
deleted backup piece
backup piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\BACKUPSET\2007_11_20\O
1_MF_NNNDF_TAG20071120T190500_3N5TDGC9_.BKP recid=10 stamp=639169502
deleted backup piece
backup piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\AUTOBACKUP\2007_11_20\
O1_MF_S_639169556_3N5TG65X_.BKP recid=11 stamp=639169558
Deleted 6 objects
RMAN> delete archivelog all
2> ;
released channel: ORA_DISK_1
allocated channel: ORA_DISK_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: sid=126 devtype=DISK
specification does not match any archive log in the recovery catalog
RMAN> list backup
2> ;
RMAN> show retention policy
2> ;
RMAN configuration parameters are:
CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO REDUNDANCY 3;
SQL> show parameter control_file_record_keep_time
NAME                                 TYPE        VALUE
control_file_record_keep_time        integer     1
SQL> alter system set control_file_record_keep_time=7
2 /
System altered.
SQL> show parameter control_file_record_keep_time
NAME                                 TYPE        VALUE
control_file_record_keep_time        integer     7
SQL>
RMAN> backup database
2> ;
Starting backup at 20-NOV-07
using channel ORA_DISK_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting full datafile backupset
channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying datafile(s) in backupset
input datafile fno=00001 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSTEM01.DBF
input datafile fno=00003 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSAUX01.DBF
input datafile fno=00002 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\UNDOTBS01.DBF
input datafile fno=00004 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\USERS01.DBF
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting piece 1 at 20-NOV-07
channel ORA_DISK_1: finished piece 1 at 20-NOV-07
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\BACKUPSET\2007_11_20\O1_MF_NN
NDF_TAG20071120T191412_3N5TXRSG_.BKP comment=NONE
channel ORA_DISK_1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:01:15
Finished backup at 20-NOV-07
Starting Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 20-NOV-07
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\AUTOBACKUP\2007_11_20\O1_MF_S
_639170131_3N5V03YT_.BKP comment=NONE
Finished Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 20-NOV-07
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 3
no obsolete backups found
RMAN> backup database
2> ;
Starting backup at 20-NOV-07
using channel ORA_DISK_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting full datafile backupset
channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying datafile(s) in backupset
input datafile fno=00001 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSTEM01.DBF
input datafile fno=00003 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSAUX01.DBF
input datafile fno=00002 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\UNDOTBS01.DBF
input datafile fno=00004 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\USERS01.DBF
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting piece 1 at 20-NOV-07
channel ORA_DISK_1: finished piece 1 at 20-NOV-07
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\BACKUPSET\2007_11_20\O1_MF_NN
NDF_TAG20071120T191655_3N5V2S20_.BKP comment=NONE
channel ORA_DISK_1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:45
Finished backup at 20-NOV-07
Starting Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 20-NOV-07
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\AUTOBACKUP\2007_11_20\O1_MF_S
_639170261_3N5V462Z_.BKP comment=NONE
Finished Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 20-NOV-07
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 3
no obsolete backups found
RMAN> backup database
2> ;
Starting backup at 20-NOV-07
using channel ORA_DISK_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting full datafile backupset
channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying datafile(s) in backupset
input datafile fno=00001 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSTEM01.DBF
input datafile fno=00003 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\SYSAUX01.DBF
input datafile fno=00002 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\UNDOTBS01.DBF
input datafile fno=00004 name=C:\ORACLE10G\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORC\ORC\USERS01.DBF
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting piece 1 at 20-NOV-07
channel ORA_DISK_1: finished piece 1 at 20-NOV-07
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\BACKUPSET\2007_11_20\O1_MF_NN
NDF_TAG20071120T191836_3N5V5X20_.BKP comment=NONE
channel ORA_DISK_1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:45
Finished backup at 20-NOV-07
Starting Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 20-NOV-07
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORC\ORC\AUTOBACKUP\2007_11_20\O1_MF_S
_639170362_3N5V7C1K_.BKP comment=NONE
Finished Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 20-NOV-07
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 3
no obsolete backups foundnothing obsolete it means control_file_record_keep_time will not affect backups unless it will be less then or equal
to retention policy.
Note : Please agree or disagree with me may be i would be wrong
Khurram

Sorry for alls readers after a long practical observation at my own database server i came across that my observation was wrong and absurd in this first post, the above observation is not due to control_file_record_keep_time ,its due to something obvious which i am going to share you guys here.
RMAN> show retention policy
2> ;
RMAN configuration parameters are:
CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO REDUNDANCY 2;
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 2
no obsolete backups found
RMAN> list backup
2> ;
RMAN>AS documentation says
"Besides affecting datafile and control file backups, the retention policy affects archived logs and archived log backups.
First, RMAN decides which datafile and control file backups are obsolete. Then, RMAN considers as obsolete all archived
log backups that are older than the oldest datafile or control file backup that must be retained."
Now i connect to SQL and create two big table for filling the redo log file and then get it archived.Please
consider it here that i am getting archived before any taking backup i.e backup database in order to make
archive older then the oldest datafile.
SQL> show parameter control_file_record_keep_time
NAME                                 TYPE        VALUE
control_file_record_keep_time        integer     7
SQL> create table a1 as select * from all_objects
2 /
Table created.
SQL> create table a2 as select * from all_objects
2 /
Table created.
C:\>dir C:\oracle\product\10.1.0\flash_recovery_area\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_03_17
Volume in drive C is khurram
Volume Serial Number is F49D-FF2B
Directory of C:\oracle\product\10.1.0\flash_recovery_area\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_03_17
03/17/2008 03:44 PM    <DIR>          .
03/17/2008 03:44 PM    <DIR>          ..
03/17/2008 03:44 PM         9,750,528 O1_MF_1_15_3XWLVK6T_.ARC
               1 File(s)      9,750,528 bytes
               2 Dir(s) 62,714,875,904 bytes free
Now i take backup
RMAN> backup database
2> ;
Starting backup at 17-MAR-08
using channel ORA_DISK_1
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 2
no obsolete backups found
RMAN> backup database
2> ;
Starting backup at 17-MAR-08
using channel ORA_DISK_1
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 2
Report of obsolete backups and copies
Type                 Key    Completion Time    Filename/Handle
Archive Log          402    17-MAR-08          C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RE
COVERY_AREA\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_03_17\O1_MF_1_15_3XWLVK6T_.ARCYou can see the obsolete archived files which is the older then the oldest file which has been obsolete.It also
does'nt make sense to keep the archived log files which is older then the oldest file cause it will no longer
be useful for recovery process.
now back to pavillion
RMAN> delete obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 2
using channel ORA_DISK_1
Deleting the following obsolete backups and copies:
Type                 Key    Completion Time    Filename/Handle
Archive Log          402    17-MAR-08          C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RE
COVERY_AREA\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_03_17\O1_MF_1_15_3XWLVK6T_.ARC
Do you really want to delete the above objects (enter YES or NO)? yes
deleted archive log
archive log filename=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORCL\ARCHIVELO
G\2008_03_17\O1_MF_1_15_3XWLVK6T_.ARC recid=402 stamp=649611842
Deleted 1 objects
RMAN> delete backup
2> ;
using channel ORA_DISK_1
RMAN> list backup
2> ;
C:\>dir C:\oracle\product\10.1.0\flash_recovery_area\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_03_17
Volume in drive C is khurram
Volume Serial Number is F49D-FF2B
Directory of C:\oracle\product\10.1.0\flash_recovery_area\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_
03_17
03/17/2008 03:59 PM    <DIR>          .
03/17/2008 03:59 PM    <DIR>          ..
               0 File(s)              0 bytes
               2 Dir(s) 62,724,440,064 bytes freenow this time what i did i created the archived log files after first backup in order to not to make it older
then the oldest datafile backup.
RMAN> backup database
2> ;
Starting backup at 17-MAR-08
using channel ORA_DISK_1
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 2
no obsolete backups foundnow i come to at SQL and make redo log file filled by creating 2 big tables in order to get it archived
SQL> create table a3 as select * from all_objects
2 /
Table created.
SQL> create table a4 as select * from all_objects
2 /
Table created.
C:\>dir C:\oracle\product\10.1.0\flash_recovery_area\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_03_17
Volume in drive C is khurram
Volume Serial Number is F49D-FF2B
Directory of C:\oracle\product\10.1.0\flash_recovery_area\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_
03_17
03/17/2008 04:09 PM    <DIR>          .
03/17/2008 04:09 PM    <DIR>          ..
03/17/2008 04:09 PM         9,751,552 O1_MF_1_16_3XWNCGRS_.ARC
               1 File(s)      9,751,552 bytes
               2 Dir(s) 62,563,205,120 bytes free
RMAN> backup database
2> ;
Starting backup at 17-MAR-08
using channel ORA_DISK_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting compressed full datafile backupset
channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying datafile(s) in backupset
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 2
no obsolete backups foundYou can see no archived logs get obsolete yet cause the archivelog O1_MF_1_16_3XWNCGRS_.ARC
is not older then oldest datafile backup.
But this archivelog file will get obsolete if its beyond the retention policy,lest see how ,just take one more
backup ,as i have already taken two time backup and the moment i go to take third backup it will cross ours
retetnion policy from the period of 2.
RMAN> backup database
2> ;
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 2
Report of obsolete backups and copies
Type                 Key    Completion Time    Filename/Handle
Backup Set           240    17-MAR-08
Backup Piece       231    17-MAR-08          C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RE
COVERY_AREA\ORCL\BACKUPSET\2008_03_17\O1_MF_NNNDF_TAG20080317T160604_3XWN4WTB_.B
KP
Backup Set           241    17-MAR-08
Backup Piece       232    17-MAR-08          C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RE
COVERY_AREA\ORCL\BACKUPSET\2008_03_17\O1_MF_NCSNF_TAG20080317T160604_3XWN6Z95_.B
KP
Archive Log          403    17-MAR-08          C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RE
COVERY_AREA\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_03_17\O1_MF_1_16_3XWNCGRS_.ARCKhurram

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Chris,
Thanks for the info; my current setting for this parameter:
SQL> show parameter CONTROL_FILE_RECORD_KEEP_TIME;
NAME TYPE VALUE
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Configuring the Backup Retention Policy
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> We would like to avoid growing a huge control file.
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http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B19306_01/server.102/b14237/initparams029.htm#CHDDBCDB
> Other than setting the retention policy window to 365, how could we do this????
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Retention policy to recovery window of 31 days means

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ORACLE 10.2
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Hi All,
Just trying to get to grips with RMAN.
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Best Regards and Happy Xmas
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Message was edited by: removed para due to believe it was incorrect statement
So i beieve this is stored in the control file which has a default retention of 7 days (CONTROL_FILE_RECORD_KEEP_TIME)
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Hi,
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26 Full 6.80M DISK 00:00:00 14-DEC-07
28 Full 6.80M DISK 00:00:00 15-DEC-07
30 Full 6.86M DISK 00:00:00 16-DEC-07
32 Full 6.86M DISK 00:00:01 17-DEC-07
34 Full 6.86M DISK 00:00:01 18-DEC-07
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1 640712259 640712258 2 D NO 1 07-DEC-07 07-DEC-07 1 8192 NO NO
2 640712260 640712259 3 D YES 1 07-DEC-07 07-DEC-07 1 16384 NO NO
3 640712625 640712625 4 D NO 1 07-DEC-07 07-DEC-07 0 8192 NO NO
4 640712626 640712626 5 D YES 1 07-DEC-07 07-DEC-07 0 16384 NO NO
5 640712648 640712648 6 D NO 1 07-DEC-07 07-DEC-07 0 8192 NO NO
6 640712649 640712649 7 D YES 1 07-DEC-07 07-DEC-07 0 16384 NO NO
7 640713224 640713223 8 D NO 1 07-DEC-07 07-DEC-07 1 8192 NO NO
8 640713225 640713225 9 D YES 1 07-DEC-07 07-DEC-07 0 16384 NO NO
9 640713657 640713282 10 D NO 1 07-DEC-07 07-DEC-07 375 8192 NO NO
10 640713668 640713667 11 D YES 1 07-DEC-07 07-DEC-07 1 16384 NO NO
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Reference you previous emails the KEEP fields are blank......
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Neil
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easy to calculate the space requirement. However, I
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archive logs.
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2> ;
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2> ;
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control_file_record_keep_time        integer     7
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2 /
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2 /
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C:\>dir C:\oracle\product\10.1.0\flash_recovery_area\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_03_17
Volume in drive C is khurram
Volume Serial Number is F49D-FF2B
Directory of C:\oracle\product\10.1.0\flash_recovery_area\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_03_17
03/17/2008 03:44 PM    <DIR>          .
03/17/2008 03:44 PM    <DIR>          ..
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2> ;
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2> ;
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2> ;
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2> ;
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Type                 Key    Completion Time    Filename/Handle
Archive Log          402    17-MAR-08          C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RE
COVERY_AREA\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_03_17\O1_MF_1_15_3XWLVK6T_.ARCYou can see the obsolete archived files which is the older then the oldest file which has been obsolete.It also
does'nt make sense to keep the archived log files which is older then the oldest file cause it will no longer
be useful for recovery process.
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2> ;
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Type                 Key    Completion Time    Filename/Handle
Archive Log          402    17-MAR-08          C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RE
COVERY_AREA\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_03_17\O1_MF_1_15_3XWLVK6T_.ARC
Do you really want to delete the above objects (enter YES or NO)? yes
deleted archive log
archive log filename=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORCL\ARCHIVELO
G\2008_03_17\O1_MF_1_15_3XWLVK6T_.ARC recid=402 stamp=649611842
Deleted 1 objects
RMAN> delete backup
2> ;
using channel ORA_DISK_1
RMAN> list backup
2> ;
C:\>dir C:\oracle\product\10.1.0\flash_recovery_area\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_03_17
Volume in drive C is khurram
Volume Serial Number is F49D-FF2B
Directory of C:\oracle\product\10.1.0\flash_recovery_area\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_
03_17
03/17/2008 03:59 PM    <DIR>          .
03/17/2008 03:59 PM    <DIR>          ..
               0 File(s)              0 bytes
               2 Dir(s) 62,724,440,064 bytes freenow this time what i did i created the archived log files after first backup in order to not to make it older
then the oldest datafile backup.
RMAN> backup database
2> ;
Starting backup at 17-MAR-08
using channel ORA_DISK_1
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 2
no obsolete backups foundnow i come to at SQL and make redo log file filled by creating 2 big tables in order to get it archived
SQL> create table a3 as select * from all_objects
2 /
Table created.
SQL> create table a4 as select * from all_objects
2 /
Table created.
C:\>dir C:\oracle\product\10.1.0\flash_recovery_area\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_03_17
Volume in drive C is khurram
Volume Serial Number is F49D-FF2B
Directory of C:\oracle\product\10.1.0\flash_recovery_area\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_
03_17
03/17/2008 04:09 PM    <DIR>          .
03/17/2008 04:09 PM    <DIR>          ..
03/17/2008 04:09 PM         9,751,552 O1_MF_1_16_3XWNCGRS_.ARC
               1 File(s)      9,751,552 bytes
               2 Dir(s) 62,563,205,120 bytes free
RMAN> backup database
2> ;
Starting backup at 17-MAR-08
using channel ORA_DISK_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting compressed full datafile backupset
channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying datafile(s) in backupset
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 2
no obsolete backups foundYou can see no archived logs get obsolete yet cause the archivelog O1_MF_1_16_3XWNCGRS_.ARC
is not older then oldest datafile backup.
But this archivelog file will get obsolete if its beyond the retention policy,lest see how ,just take one more
backup ,as i have already taken two time backup and the moment i go to take third backup it will cross ours
retetnion policy from the period of 2.
RMAN> backup database
2> ;
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 2
Report of obsolete backups and copies
Type                 Key    Completion Time    Filename/Handle
Backup Set           240    17-MAR-08
Backup Piece       231    17-MAR-08          C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RE
COVERY_AREA\ORCL\BACKUPSET\2008_03_17\O1_MF_NNNDF_TAG20080317T160604_3XWN4WTB_.B
KP
Backup Set           241    17-MAR-08
Backup Piece       232    17-MAR-08          C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RE
COVERY_AREA\ORCL\BACKUPSET\2008_03_17\O1_MF_NCSNF_TAG20080317T160604_3XWN6Z95_.B
KP
Archive Log          403    17-MAR-08          C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RE
COVERY_AREA\ORCL\ARCHIVELOG\2008_03_17\O1_MF_1_16_3XWNCGRS_.ARCKhurram

Can i use the retention policy without using the Flash Recovery area?

Yes ,lets see here
RMAN>list backup summary
C:\>dir *.bus
Volume in drive C is khurram
Volume Serial Number is F49D-FF2B
Directory of C:\
File Not Found
C:\>dir *.arc
Volume in drive C is khurram
Volume Serial Number is F49D-FF2B
Directory of C:\
File Not Found
RMAN> crosscheck backup
2> ;
using channel ORA_DISK_1
RMAN> list backup summary
2> ;
RMAN> show retention policy
2> ;
RMAN configuration parameters are:
CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO REDUNDANCY 1; # default
RMAN> run {
2>   allocate channel ch0 type disk;
3>   backup as compressed backupset database format
4>   'c:\rman_%s_%d_%T.bus'
5>   plus archivelog format 'c:\arch_%s_%d_%T.arc';
6>   release channel ch0;
7>   allocate channel ch1 device type disk format 'c:\arch_%s_%d_%T.arc';
8>   release channel ch1;
9>   delete force noprompt obsolete;
10>   allocate channel ch2 device type disk format 'c:\rman_%s_%d_%T.bus';
11>   release channel ch2;
12>   delete force noprompt obsolete;
13> }
released channel: ORA_DISK_1
allocated channel: ch0
channel ch0: sid=146 devtype=DISK
Starting backup at 15-APR-08
current log archived
channel ch0: starting compressed archive log backupset
channel ch0: specifying archive log(s) in backup set
input archive log thread=1 sequence=24 recid=79 stamp=652108461
input archive log thread=1 sequence=25 recid=80 stamp=652112650
channel ch0: starting piece 1 at 15-APR-08
channel ch0: finished piece 1 at 15-APR-08
piece handle=C:\ARCH_130_ORCL1_20080415.ARC comment=NONE
channel ch0: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:05
Finished backup at 15-APR-08
Starting backup at 15-APR-08
channel ch0: starting compressed full datafile backupset
channel ch0: specifying datafile(s) in backupset
input datafile fno=00001 name=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\ORADATA\ORCL1\SYSTEM01.DB
F
input datafile fno=00003 name=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\ORADATA\ORCL1\SYSAUX01.DB
F
input datafile fno=00004 name=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\ORADATA\ORCL1\USERS01.DBF
input datafile fno=00002 name=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\ORADATA\ORCL1\UNDOTBS01.D
BF
channel ch0: starting piece 1 at 15-APR-08
channel ch0: finished piece 1 at 15-APR-08
piece handle=C:\RMAN_131_ORCL1_20080415.BUS comment=NONE
channel ch0: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:45
Finished backup at 15-APR-08
Starting backup at 15-APR-08
current log archived
channel ch0: starting compressed archive log backupset
channel ch0: specifying archive log(s) in backup set
input archive log thread=1 sequence=26 recid=81 stamp=652112703
channel ch0: starting piece 1 at 15-APR-08
channel ch0: finished piece 1 at 15-APR-08
piece handle=C:\ARCH_132_ORCL1_20080415.ARC comment=NONE
channel ch0: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:02
Finished backup at 15-APR-08
Starting Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 15-APR-08
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORCL1\AUTOBACKUP\2008_
04_15\O1_MF_S_652112718_408X3ZVJ_.BKP comment=NONE
Finished Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 15-APR-08
released channel: ch0
allocated channel: ch1
channel ch1: sid=146 devtype=DISK
released channel: ch1
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 1
allocated channel: ORA_DISK_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: sid=146 devtype=DISK
Deleting the following obsolete backups and copies:
Type                 Key    Completion Time    Filename/Handle
Backup Set           128    15-APR-08
Backup Piece       128    15-APR-08          C:\ARCH_130_ORCL1_20080415.ARC
Archive Log          79     15-APR-08          C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RE
COVERY_AREA\ORCL1\ARCHIVELOG\2008_04_15\O1_MF_1_24_408RYXDF_.ARC
Archive Log          80     15-APR-08          C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RE
COVERY_AREA\ORCL1\ARCHIVELOG\2008_04_15\O1_MF_1_25_408X1SCR_.ARC
deleted backup piece
backup piece handle=C:\ARCH_130_ORCL1_20080415.ARC recid=128 stamp=652112652
deleted archive log
archive log filename=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORCL1\ARCHIVEL
OG\2008_04_15\O1_MF_1_24_408RYXDF_.ARC recid=79 stamp=652108461
deleted archive log
archive log filename=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORCL1\ARCHIVEL
OG\2008_04_15\O1_MF_1_25_408X1SCR_.ARC recid=80 stamp=652112650
Deleted 3 objects
released channel: ORA_DISK_1
allocated channel: ch2
channel ch2: sid=146 devtype=DISK
released channel: ch2
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 1
allocated channel: ORA_DISK_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: sid=146 devtype=DISK
no obsolete backups found
RMAN>
C:\>dir *.bus
Volume in drive C is khurram
Volume Serial Number is F49D-FF2B
Directory of C:\
04/15/2008 02:24 PM        96,813,056 RMAN_131_ORCL1_20080415.BUS
               1 File(s)     96,813,056 bytes
               0 Dir(s) 61,960,724,480 bytes free
C:\>dir *.arc
Volume in drive C is khurram
Volume Serial Number is F49D-FF2B
Directory of C:\
04/15/2008 02:25 PM            56,832 ARCH_132_ORCL1_20080415.ARC
               1 File(s)         56,832 bytes
               0 Dir(s) 61,960,724,480 bytes free
C:\>
RMAN> run {
2>   allocate channel ch0 type disk;
3>   backup as compressed backupset database format
4>   'c:\rman_%s_%d_%T.bus'
5>   plus archivelog format 'c:\arch_%s_%d_%T.arc';
6>   release channel ch0;
7> }
released channel: ORA_DISK_1
allocated channel: ch0
channel ch0: sid=146 devtype=DISK
Starting backup at 15-APR-08
current log archived
channel ch0: starting compressed archive log backupset
channel ch0: specifying archive log(s) in backup set
input archive log thread=1 sequence=26 recid=81 stamp=652112703
input archive log thread=1 sequence=27 recid=82 stamp=652112873
channel ch0: starting piece 1 at 15-APR-08
channel ch0: finished piece 1 at 15-APR-08
piece handle=C:\ARCH_134_ORCL1_20080415.ARC comment=NONE
channel ch0: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:02
Finished backup at 15-APR-08
Starting backup at 15-APR-08
channel ch0: starting compressed full datafile backupset
channel ch0: specifying datafile(s) in backupset
input datafile fno=00001 name=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\ORADATA\ORCL1\SYSTEM01.DB
F
input datafile fno=00003 name=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\ORADATA\ORCL1\SYSAUX01.DB
F
input datafile fno=00004 name=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\ORADATA\ORCL1\USERS01.DBF
input datafile fno=00002 name=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\ORADATA\ORCL1\UNDOTBS01.D
BF
channel ch0: starting piece 1 at 15-APR-08
channel ch0: finished piece 1 at 15-APR-08
piece handle=C:\RMAN_135_ORCL1_20080415.BUS comment=NONE
channel ch0: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:45
Finished backup at 15-APR-08
Starting backup at 15-APR-08
current log archived
channel ch0: starting compressed archive log backupset
channel ch0: specifying archive log(s) in backup set
input archive log thread=1 sequence=28 recid=83 stamp=652112925
channel ch0: starting piece 1 at 15-APR-08
channel ch0: finished piece 1 at 15-APR-08
piece handle=C:\ARCH_136_ORCL1_20080415.ARC comment=NONE
channel ch0: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:02
Finished backup at 15-APR-08
Starting Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 15-APR-08
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORCL1\AUTOBACKUP\2008_
04_15\O1_MF_S_652112928_408XBKCZ_.BKP comment=NONE
Finished Control File and SPFILE Autobackup at 15-APR-08
released channel: ch0
RMAN> report obsolete
2> ;
RMAN retention policy will be applied to the command
RMAN retention policy is set to redundancy 1
Report of obsolete backups and copies
Type                 Key    Completion Time    Filename/Handle
Backup Set           129    15-APR-08
Backup Piece       129    15-APR-08          C:\RMAN_131_ORCL1_20080415.BUS
Backup Set           130    15-APR-08
Backup Piece       130    15-APR-08          C:\ARCH_132_ORCL1_20080415.ARC
Backup Set           131    15-APR-08
Backup Piece       131    15-APR-08          C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RE
COVERY_AREA\ORCL1\AUTOBACKUP\2008_04_15\O1_MF_S_652112718_408X3ZVJ_.BKP
Backup Set           132    15-APR-08
Backup Piece       132    15-APR-08          C:\ARCH_134_ORCL1_20080415.ARC
Archive Log          81     15-APR-08          C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RE
COVERY_AREA\ORCL1\ARCHIVELOG\2008_04_15\O1_MF_1_26_408X3HRP_.ARC
Archive Log          82     15-APR-08          C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.1.0\FLASH_RE
COVERY_AREA\ORCL1\ARCHIVELOG\2008_04_15\O1_MF_1_27_408X8RXN_.ARC
RMAN>Note: i have archivelog which is at FRA ,it also apply there and as well yours own defined backupsets path.
Yours comments are wellcome.
http://oraware.blogspot.com/2008/04/can-i-use-retention-policy-without.htmlKhurram

Hmmm, I can't see where the confusion originates. The table near the bottom of www.apple.com/timecapsule/specs.html has one row labelled "For backup using Time Machine" and another row labelled "For AirPort Disk with a USB hard drive".
The requirement for backup via Time Machine is OS 10.5.1 or better. Time Machine is not supported in pre-Leopard (OS 10.5) nor in Windows.
The requirement for using Time Capsule as a remote disk is identified as "Mac with Mac OS X v10.4.8 or later" or "PC with Windows XP (SP2) or Windows Vista; Bonjour for Windows (included on Time Capsule CD)".
Doesn't that pretty much spell out that Time Capsule works as a network drive without the need for Time Machine?
Also Joe (the OP) never indicated any desire to use it with Windows so I'm not sure why all the discussion about Windows compatibility. ??
Also the quote posted by Henry seems pretty clear:
"Time Capsule with Time Machine in Leopard is the ideal backup solution. But that doesn’t mean Tiger, Windows XP, and Windows Vista users can’t enjoy the benefits of Time Capsule, too. Because it mounts as a wireless hard drive, Tiger and Windows users simply access Time Capsule directly from the wireless network for exchanging and storing files quickly and easily."

Performance Issue when turning on Retention Policy

Hello,
I am currently in the process of enabling retention policy for my organization. We have 18,000+ mailboxes. How much of a performance impact (if any) will it be to the end users if we were to enable retention polices for so many mailboxes at once?
We have not had retentions enabled for about 3 years and the goals to basically delete/purge anything over 15 months. I tried doing some research on this and can't seem to find any topics pertaining to this particular question.
Thanks,
Emmanuel
Emmanuel Fumero Exchange Administrator

The user impact of enabling retention on this many mailboxes at once is not your primary issue - your primary issue will be how long it will take to complete the process on all of your mailboxes so it can "just keep up" from that point onward.
I'll give you some information about our own results and let you decide how you wish to implement retention for your users.
We have 14,000+ mailboxes running on Exchange 2010, fully updated. We migrated three years ago from "another messaging platform" well known for allowing users to have huge mailboxes with little or no capability to restrict how large the
mailboxes grew - and they grew. When I started here, our average mailbox size had just popped over 2GB, and our corporate target mailbox size limit was 2GB. We had mailboxes over 30GB, and messages older than 10 years (our corporate retention policy
states no emails older than 7 years is allowed). We were tasked with implementing retention across the board, with the following settings:
Daily emails will be kept only for 60 days, and can be recovered (if necessary) for another 60 days
Working emails (things needed for projects, etc) can be kept for 2 years, and can be recovered (if necessary) for another 60 days
Messages required for legal reasons can be kept for up to 7 years, and can't be recovered if they are deleted
Messages saved for legal reasons do not count against the 2 GB mailbox size limit
Due to my previous experience implementing retention (when I was a consultant focused on Microsoft Exchange), I knew that deploying to all users at once would cause a hit on our servers (your current fear, and well founded), but I had only deployed to smaller
organizations, and never in so radical a manner - previously, size limits had been in effect, so retention was just to "maintain the status quo", rather than to hack huge amounts of stale data from the system. However, we did have huge servers
(72 GB RAM and 24CPUs, but multirole) that, early on, were not highly taxed (under 15% CPU average during the peak timeframe, and we are in only two time-zones, so all 13,000 users will connect during the 7:00-10:30 Eastern timeframe). So we determined
that we would ramp retention across the organization in the same manner that we migrated - each 1000 users would get retention enabled weekly in a phased manner.
When we started our first group, the IT group (naturally), most users kept their mailboxes relatively small - only 1.8 GB average - so retention ran from Thursday (the day we kicked off the implementation) through the weekend. However, as each subsequent
group was placed into retention, we found that the retention task was taking longer and longer. Toward the end, we had to slip some of our retention groups a day or so because retention for the previous mailboxes hadn't completed. We attribute
this to two factors - 1) the mailboxes were larger on average, and B) there were also more and more mailboxes in retention already that also had to be handled.
In the end, we took 22 weeks to fully implement retention across the organization, and the process took another two weeks to get to the point that is was "running the status quo", rather than yanking huge volumes of stale email out of mailboxes.
During implementation, our servers' performance numbers were good - still under 30% CPU - and users weren't complaining about poor performance due to that (cached mode is a godsend), but getting the process to complete was our sticking point. If
you turn on retention for all 18,000 of your mailboxes at once, you will see some server performance degradation (especially if your servers aren't as beefy as ours), but the process may never have a chance to complete across the board. Our 22 weeks
may well take over a year for your mailboxes.
HTH - you are going to need all the help you can get. (-;

RMAN retention policy - backup spfile and then redundancy = 5 removes it.

I have a database that is Oracle Standard Edition and it is version 9.2.0.6.
The spfile has not changed since November, 2005. A list backup does not show an spfile backup with a tag of "hot_database_spfile_backup_full". I took a close look at the RMAN script log and was shocked to discover that the spfile backup from the current day is being deleted. Is that because of the redundancy = 5? I'm trying to figure out why a backup piece from the current day is being deleted?
Examples follow.
The script deletes obsolete with redundancy = 5, however, I believe the intent was to keep 25 days because one of the configure clauses is set to a recovery window of 25 days. I realize that the redundancy overrides the configure retention policy command. I can fix the script and remove the redundancy = 5.
In the RMAN run statement, I first resync the catalog, backup the spfile, a full backup of the database including current controlfile plus archive log (delete input), resync catalog, switch logfile, and backup any additional archive logs. The backup looks fine.
Then, I allocate a channel for maintenance type sbt. The script then has a "delete noprompt expired backup;" a "delete noprompt obsolete redundancy = 5;" and finally, a crosscheck;
example of backup piece that is later deleted:
Starting backup at 07/18/2006 20:00:14
channel t1: starting full datafile backupset
channel t1: specifying datafile(s) in backupset
including current SPFILE in backupset
channel t1: starting piece 1 at 07/18/2006 20:00:14
channel t1: finished piece 1 at 07/18/2006 20:00:15
piece handle=P*****_2338_1_596145614_FULL comment=API Version 2.0,MMS Version 5.2.0.0
channel t1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:01
Finished backup at 07/18/2006 20:00:15
deletion:
Deleting the following obsolete backups and copies:
Type Key Completion Time Filename/Handle
<other lines deleted>
Backup Set 27453 07/18/2006 20:00:14
Backup Piece 27454 07/18/2006 20:00:14
P*****_2338_1_596145614_FULL
deleted backup piece
backup piece handle=P*****_2338_1_596145614_FULL recid=2039 stamp=596145614
Deleted 12 objects
Why is a backup piece created on 7/18 being deleted in the maintenance step?
Thanks in advance!

In the next step in the script, the controlfile and spfile are backed up:
backup
full
skip inaccessible
tag hot_database_backup_full
format '%d_%s_%p_%t_FULL'
(Database
include current controlfile)
Plus Archivelog delete input;
Even though my backup script is redundant by backing up the spfile twice, when I list the backup of the spfile, I would have expected to find 5 backups with a tag of hot_database_spfile_backup_full and 5 with a tag of hot_database_backup_full. That is not the case. I only find spfiles with a tag of hot_database_backup_full. i am still perplexed by RMAN.
I will modify my script - remove the backup of the spfile, and crosscheck before the delete commands. I will also remove the redundancy = 5. The intent is to keep 25 days of backups.
Thanks for your comments

When Retention policy is set as REDUNDANCY

DB version: 10.2.0.4
Just trying to understand the concept of Redundancy.
If i set my Retention Policy set to REDUNDANCY like
CONFIGURE RETENTION POLICY TO REDUNDANCY 4;and all the backup files are stored in one location like '/u04/rmanbkp/' then multiple copies (4 of them) of the same datafile with different names (unique names generated using U% setting) will be created here. Right?
The next day all these datafile copies will be obsolete. Right?
Recovery Window retention policy is more widely used than Redundancy . Right?

on the 5th day,the first (out of 4 copies) copy of backup becomes obseleteprovided that you do exactly one backup every day. If you do 6 backups a day -- e.g. every 4 hours -- you'd be obsoleting a backup less than 24 hours old !
So, if you are DBA new to a site, ask first "how many backups we do, what is the RETENTION Policy" ?
Hemant K Chitale

Sharepoint List Retention Policy based on Modified Date

How do I implement a Sharepoint List Retention Policy that deletes list items that haven't been modified in X days?
I've tried to create a retention policy in Sharepoint, but I only get the option to base the policy on:
Created Date
Declared Record
I need the policy to be based on Modified Date, a standard date field that appears against all lists & document libraries. Is there a configuration change I can make to cause Modified Date to appear in the list of available fields on the Retention Policy
dialog window?
Thanks.

Veda, thanks but I'm not really a hardcore C# coder.
We found more elegant solution was to create a List View which returns all records that should be deleted, based on our own custom deletion criteria, and then create an very simple SSIS Package in Visual Studio using the
Sharepoint Connectors for SSIS to delete all Sharepoint List Items returned from that List View. The Sharepoint Destination Connector has a delete operation.
This worked for us and didn't require any coding.

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