Convert 23.98 DV to uncompressed 10-bit workflow

I'm working a project from MiniDV 23.98 advanced mode and am trying to convert to 30 FPS Uncompressed for sharper titles and graghics. I'm sure there are several ways to approach this but I would like some ideas and a smooth transition workflow. Final output goal is Digibeta.
I tried using media manager to consolidate my sequence and recompress to 10-bit but it won't convert 23.98 to 30 fps. The frame rate conversion is ignored and it creates an Uncompressed 10-bit sequence of 23.98. Everything looks fine when I do this but I am afraid that the 23.98 fps will hurt me in the end when going out to digibeta. Or will I be okay in this route?
Once I convert, I'll be editing in AE and Color simultaniously. Is there a better workflow I can follow?
Another method I tried was that I copied the entire DV sequence onto a 10-bit sequence which requires rendering of the whole timeline. Also randomly there are single-frame gaps through the timeline where the clips aren't butted up.

I don't know. Does it matter If I go to Color before or after uprezing? I thought if I uprez then go to Color, I would have a little more color space to control. I read somewhere that it was ridiculous to use 8-bit in Color.
Another thing, I guess I need to read up on proRes. I know nothing about it or what's it's purpose.
I did a test with Color, I'm unable to change the frame rate. I changed codec to UC 10-bit and sent it back to FCP. The codec remained 10-bit UC but the screen size stayed at 720X480 in an 8-bit timeline. That was weird. I don't think Color conforms yet.

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