Converting HDV 60i to 60p?

rumours are this can be done in compressor.Are there threads on how to do this? Thanks

I have just converted from i to p successfully and the threads from other that made this possible are
as follows:
1. by Ed Dooley on Jan 8, 2009 at 11:01:35 am
Not necessarily true. Yes you'll lose the resolution if you use the simple de-interlace filter in FCP (and many other programs). If, however, you use Frame Controls in Compressor (do a search of this forum and you'll find lots of instructions), you do not lose res, the fields get blended. There are 3rd party products that do the same thing (Nattress has one).
Having said all that, I wouldn't deinterlace unless you need to (like for the web for example), the program's going out to TV? Leave it interlaced.
Ed
[David Roth Weiss] "It would be worth doing only of you wish to sacrifice 50% of the vertical resolution of your video."
2. Read this page on DVD's it is short and very concise and covers jaggy video and why one would
convert from i to p:
http://blog.mindbites.com/best-dvd-ripping-software/
3. It is best to de-interlace from the frame controls pane in compressor
do not use the filter in Final Cut or in Compressor
see de-interlace on this page:
http://documentation.apple.com/en/compressor/usermanual/index.html#chapter=23%26 section=1%26tasks=true
the best setting do take significantly longer to render. I waited 48 hours for a half hour of 1080i.
Best wishes,
Bill

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