CS4 DV-AVI unneeded rendering

My capture settings and sequence settings are exactly the same: DV-AVI 4:3.
After capturing a video and dragging it to the timeline - timeline shows red line that indicates a need for rendering.
But If I do just save and reopen the same project - the red line is gone.
Why?

Windows Indexing is BAD http://forums.adobe.com/thread/676303 - so be sure you have indexing set to OFF for all drives and directories
Other than that idea, using Firewire to capture video into DV AVI is the "native" format for Premiere, so what you are seeing is a bit odd
I no longer use much AVI (CS5 with AVCHD) but back when I did (digitize tapes via Pinnacle Dv500 card) I never saw a red line since the AVI files I created were a perfect match to my project (with CS3)
What you are seeing is most odd...

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I just opened a new project and sequence, dragged in an .avi file, and then dropped it into the timeline. Since it's the only file, I'm not sure why it's showing up as unrendered (red), but when I select it and choose Render All, It renders for less than a sec. and then stops, leaving the whole thing still unrendered.
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Message was edited by: Jeffrey Ellis

#1 - FCP does not work with AVIs well, if at all. Preferred options are to capture with FCP, or convert the AVI to a MOV, either with QT PRo or Compressor.
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My version is Adobe Premiere Pro CS3.
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AVI could mean any of several kinds of file
Read Bill Hunt on a file type as WRAPPER http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037?tstart=0
What is a CODEC... a Primer http://forums.adobe.com/thread/546811?tstart=0
What CODEC is INSIDE that file? http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037?tstart=0
Report back with the codec details of your file, use the programs below
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Build a Configuration file http://www.piriform.com/speccy
Brand/Model Computer (or Brand/Model Motherboard if self-built)
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Search Microsoft to find out how to redirect your Windows swap file
http://search.microsoft.com/search.aspx?mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US
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You are a music conductor, with a baton that you use to point to various parts of the orchestra... this is like Windows pointing to various parts of the hard drive to do Windows housekeeping or to load program segments for various functions
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You as a person cannot do both at the same time with the same hand
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Roger thank you very much!
It is now starting to make sense. I have only run it once and not tried any other tricks yet (like trying to use the Source from the RAID array rather than from the C: drive)
Now rather than taking 130 seconds for encoding it is down to 25 seconds versus 8 seconds for CS3. I suspect that at least some of that is because they are using the C: drive for the source.
MPEG encoding has also a major improvement by using the rendered preview files and as matter of fact it reduced the MPEG encoding time from 75 seconds (CS3) to 57 seconds (CS4)! Maybe we will have to go back to suggesting rendering the timeline before any encoding.
One other plus for CS4 is that the rendering is much smarter in that any duplicate segments are rendered only one time.
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