CS6 Match Frame Problem, Sequence Clip vs Source Clip issue

Hey folks.
So, I'm on Windows 7, Premiere Pro CS6.
I've found an issue with Match Frame (Control F), it seems to be acting inconsistently. Sometimes when I double click on a clip in my sequence and hit F it brings up the sequence clip, other times it brings up the source clip (in the Source Monitor)
The problem here is that I'm placing markers on my sequence clips to line them up based on visual cues in the scene. This work fine for a while, but then, seemingly randomly, I'll double click a sequence clip and when I hit F it brings up the source clip, not the sequence clip. Now when I place markers they do not show up in the sequence because I'm marking the source clip not the sequence clip.
Anyone else encounter this? If needed I can try to capture video of this happening.
Thanks all,
~ James

Does this mean that it isn't possible to "Reviel in project", or otherwise locate a merged clip in the project window?
So far "Reveal in project", and "match frame", point to the same subfile of a merged clip... not very useful. What other options are there?
... A sad workaround is to type in the name of the merged file in the search frame at the top of the Project pain.
I guess this one for the feature request list.

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PW3 - don't cut from a sequence like that - you end up with nested sequences that way - this isn't an Avid. Instead hold down the cmd-key when you press F10 to overwrite, cmd-F9 to insert, in the contents of the sequence in your viewer, instead of cutting in a nested sequence. Then the match back will work as expected.

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h.264 footage MP4, MOV shot on a Canon EOS 7D. No external audio recorder, just a mic on top of the camera, plugged into the camera.
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