DBWR writes before LGWR wirtes?

Hi,
Under what circumstances does DBWR write a block a dirty block out before LGWR writes to the logs?
Thanks
Dilip.

Here is a great blog post regarding many of the parts of Oracle's architecture:
http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/bi/confessions/archives/post-index-how-oracle-works-10605
Check it out for your answer.

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