Debugging using Eclipse and non-standalone 10g

Hey - is it possible to perform remote debugging using Eclipse against the non-standalone version of the 10g App Server? I've tried some of the hints listed in this forum (the most promising seemed to be starting oc4j using this command-line command:
java -classic -Xdebug -Xnoagent -Xrunjdwp:transport=dt_socket,server=y,suspend=y,address=2727 -jar oc4j.jar, then connecting with the Eclipse debugger, which I managed to do - though I had to change one of the parameters because the designated file [a timezone file] could not be found - after the change things seemed to start up correctly. However, when I tried to hit http://localhost:2727 I got a "server not found or DNS error"). I don't know if the debugging works with the non-standalone version of 10g or not... or if I should be using some other startup command so hopefully y'all can help :)
Thanks,
Scott

Scott, apparently you have fallen pray of one of the most common misunderstandings of oc4j. Oc4j, namely, Oracle Application Server Container for j2ee, is a COMPLETE j2ee server. It supports http and https by itself. It is also an ejb container and a lot more. It can be used as a standalone or, with a different configuration, integrated into Oracle Application Server as its core component.
When you use the command "java -jar oc4j.jar ...", you are starting an instance of "standalone oc4j" or "oc4j standalone" as mentioned above, albeit from an OAS installation. In contrast, you can start one instance of Oracle Application Server by "<ORACLE_HOME>/opmn/bin/opmn startall", which will starts, besides several other components, one or several oc4j processes as its oc4j component. This OAS is an HTTP server that takes initial requests and routs the requests that are for OC4J to OC4J server. It may handle some of the requests by itself, or routs other http requests to other components, like mod_plsql. Finally, what we usually called "farm" is a collection of OAS clusters and instances that share the same OAS Infrastructure.
What I have written is just a tiny mini introduction of the OAS. For starters, oc4j is for use by development and small-medium scale production deployments. Plese take a look at the book "Oracle Application Server Containers for J2EE Standalone User's Guide" and then, "Oracle Application Server Concepts". You can find them by
1. go to http://otn.oracle.com
2. select "documentation" pull-down menu and then "application server"
3. go to the first "view library" or the one suits you.
4. view the "Oracle Application Server Concepts"
5. or go to "List of All Books" and you will see all of them!
Well, the best place to self-teach oc4j is, besides googling with site:oracle.com, the oc4j homepage,
http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/java/oc4j/index.html
The above is written in case you need more information. Now let me come to your specific questions.
1. how to hit the OC4J instance directly, bypassing an HTTP server entry?Since what you started is an oc4j standalone, it does not make any sense to say "bypassing an HTTP server entry". Oc4j instance itself IS an http server. To access its http service, try
http://<yourHostNameOrIP>:<httpPort>/<yourAppWebContextRoot>
where the httpPort and yourAppWebContextRoot can be found in default-web-site.xml or http-web-site.xml. Which one or other web-site.xmls are effective is determined in <OC4J_HOME>/config/server.xml. Here the OC4J_HOME refers to your "C:/OraHome1/j2ee/home".
2. how to get the HTTP server started via the command-line startup?As said above, you already got an HTTP server running.
What I suggest for you is to play with oc4j standalone. You can come to OAS later:
1. download oc4j standalone distribution, "Oracle Containers for J2EE 10g (10.1.3) Developer Preview 3", from here "http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/ias/preview.html"
2. unzip the downloaded file. What you get is basically the same to a part of your existing "C:/OraHome". Go to j2ee/home. Run
java -Xdebug -Xnoagent -Djava.compiler=none -Xrunjdwp:transport=dt_socket,server=y,suspend=y,address=3301 -jar oc4j.jar
Make sure you are using java 1.4.2 sdk.
3. "new" your remote debugger from Eclicpse and specify the hostname and port 3301.
4. http://<yourHost>:8888/
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