Defining sequence of ATP check in ECC

Hi,
We have a requirement where we want that while creating the sales order Product allocation check should occur first then ATP check in ECC we do not have APO system here.
Is there any configuration settings or any user exits are available to achieve the same ?
Thanks,
Vinay

Hello Vinay,
As per standard SAP R/3, depending on settings maintianed in the scheduline category and requirement class, first availability check is performed and then confirmed quantity from ATP will be checked against product allocations. If no quantity is confirmed from ATP, check against product allocations also failed even there is sufficient product allocation quantity. In SAP R/3 your required functionality is not possible. Product allocations will be done based on ATP quantities.Can you please recheck the business requirement why Product allocations first and then ATP check.
Warm Regards
Siva B

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