Deprecation of net-tools

So net-tools has been deprecated in favor of NetworkManager and Netcfg, but netcfg depends on net-tools. Is Netcfg replacing the Net-tools functionality with something else?

The ML has the on-going discussion on this. Short answer, yes, eventually (patches welcome).

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[Solved] Upgrade fails because of net-tools

It was almost a week since I last did a "pacman -Syu" on my system. Before that, I had read about depreciation of net-tools and have already modified my rc.conf to use the newer simple network setup. Everything was working fine. Even upgradation of the system (pacman -Syu) also worked fine last week.
I was out of town for a few days. So, when I came back on Sunday, I tried updating the system. Pacman found updates and downloaded them. But it failed when actually upgrading the packages. It gives the following error:
[vinay@arch ~]$ sudo pacman -Syu
Password:
:: Synchronizing package databases...
core 37.0K 44.9K/s 00:00:01 [######################] 100%
extra 465.7K 39.1K/s 00:00:12 [######################] 100%
community 441.9K 123.2K/s 00:00:04 [######################] 100%
multilib is up to date
archlinuxfr 24.7K 74.6K/s 00:00:00 [######################] 100%
:: Starting full system upgrade...
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
Targets (10): gdk-pixbuf2-2.23.4-1 gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.5-2
gtk2-2.24.5-2 libmodplug-0.8.8.3-1 libxml++-2.34.1-1
libofx-0.9.4-1 net-tools-1.60-18 soprano-2.6.0-6
strigi-0.7.5-2 xdg-utils-1.1.0rc1-3
Total Download Size: 7.85 MB
Total Installed Size: 47.46 MB
Proceed with installation? [Y/n] y
:: Retrieving packages from extra...
gtk-update-icon-ca... 10.9K 22.1K/s 00:00:00 [######################] 100%
gtk2-2.24.5-2-x86_64 4.9M 60.9K/s 00:01:23 [######################] 100%
libmodplug-0.8.8.3... 145.8K 53.5K/s 00:00:03 [######################] 100%
libofx-0.9.4-1-x86_64 223.9K 60.2K/s 00:00:04 [######################] 100%
soprano-2.6.0-6-x86_64 2.0M 68.2K/s 00:00:30 [######################] 100%
strigi-0.7.5-2-x86_64 504.2K 75.7K/s 00:00:07 [######################] 100%
xdg-utils-1.1.0rc1... 46.3K 46.1K/s 00:00:01 [######################] 100%
(10/10) checking package integrity [######################] 100%
(10/10) checking for file conflicts [######################] 100%
error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
net-tools: /bin/hostname exists in filesystem
net-tools: /usr/share/man/man1/hostname.1.gz exists in filesystem
Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
As you can see it complains about /bin/hostname file existing in the filesystem and that causing problem for net-tools package. I'm not sure how or why this happened. The /bin/hostname is supposed to be available on the filesystem, right?
Since net-tools was depreciated in favour of netcfg, I tried removing net-tools. When I try that, it offers to remove netcfg package as well!
[vinay@arch ~]$ sudo pacman -Rcsu net-tools
Password:
checking dependencies...
Remove (2): netcfg-2.5.5-1 net-tools-1.60-16
Total Removed Size: 0.61 MB
Do you want to remove these packages? [Y/n] n
What I did was to upgrade each package manually (excluding net-tools package). But this is cumbersome and tedious. I did a search on the forum and on internet and did not find other people with the same problem. So, is something wrong/corrupt on my arch installation?
If so, how do I fix it?
Thanks in advance,
Vinay V
Last edited by vinayv (2011-06-22 01:31:49)

Thanks for the reply. I should have searched for a generic "exists in filesystem" rather than net-tools error specific "/bin/hostname exists in filesystem". I thought this was because of the recent move to netcfg from net-tools. Maybe I'm mistaken.
Anyway, thanks for pointing out that stikie to me. Let me try the suggestions in that post

Net-tools rc.conf new style

Hello.
Is there any way to use net-tools and old style rc.conf (it was like a BSD rc.conf - very useful).
It is uncomfortably to configure network like this:
# interface=eth0
# address=192.168.0.2
# netmask=255.255.255.0
# broadcast=192.168.0.255
# gateway=192.168.0.1
Why developers decided this way better than old style?
netcfg is a good way, but I saw enough of comments where users don't like this.
I wanna old style back ))))

wait... I upgrade my system a day ago, but it supports an "old style" of configuring way. There is no "old style" examples in rc.conf anymore , but it working . How can it be? Developers make a compatibility?

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I don't know if Arch Linux changed the way it does things or if this machine is missing a package. I do know it has an I.P. address and can get out to the Internet. This machine has no G.U.I. however. Can anyone tell me what I could be missing and or how to resolve this?

Stebalien wrote:net-tools was deprecated in favour of iprout2 (ip). News: http://www.archlinux.org/news/deprecation-of-net-tools/.
But there are still issues w/ e.g. hostname: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/24701
Last edited by karol (2011-07-06 17:38:24)

What is the Arch equivalent to netstat?

I want to use the netstat command like this 'netstat -an | grep LISTEN' to find out what processes are listening to incoming connections. But there is no netstat on my system. Is there a way to install it or is the proper way to use a different command?

Some apps were deleted for these reasons:
http://www.archlinux.org/news/dropping- … s-support/
http://www.archlinux.org/news/deprecation-of-net-tools/
As you were told, you can install net-tools to get netstat back. Also, you can use the program that comes by default through the package iproute2; ss.
Last edited by ldvx (2012-03-19 07:28:39)

[SOLVED] How to use command NETSTAT in archlinux?

Hi, everyone. Can you please tell me how to enable this NETSTAT command? I can't find this with pacman. In yaourt I found netstat-nat but I am not sure they are the same thing.
After I yaourted this netstat-nat I still can't use it because netfilter is not enabled in my kernel yet.
Last edited by zarcher (2011-11-26 01:23:15)

karol wrote:
zarcher wrote:
llawwehttam wrote:
pacman -Qo /bin/netstat ~
/bin/netstat is owned by net-tools 1.60.20110819cvs-3
Hope that helps.
Thanks a lot for your quick answer. It did helped. I pacmaned net-tools and I can use "netstat" now. Cheers!
net-tools are deprecated and you should be using iproute2 instead: http://www.archlinux.org/news/deprecation-of-net-tools/
A more general answer to your question: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/FA … is_X_in.3F
Whoops.
Apologies for the bad advice. I must have missed that net-tools was deprecated.
Sadly I have to keep it installed as it is still a dependency of wicd as far as I know.
EDIT: Decided to get my act together and remove as many deprecated packages as I can. Now using netcfg. I'll have to pay more attention to the news.
Last edited by llawwehttam (2011-11-25 06:40:06)

Rc.conf update with interface alias

hello,
I'm using interface aliases on eth0 to host different virtual hosts with SSL cetificates
my rc.conf config was like that :
eth0="eth0 IP1 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast IP1"
eth0_0="eth0:0 IP2 netmask 255.255.255.255 broadcast IP2"
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but since the deprecation of net-tools and the new syntax for rc.conf I'm not sure how the aliases should be defined.
I read this page https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Rc.conf but I'm not sure if I have to use Netcfg now or if I can use the Single interface way and if so what would be the syntax?
thanks for your help

.:B:. wrote:I don't think there's any 'wanting' involved here. Devs have taken that decision, and either you work with it or you start hacking around.
Very constructive.
Stebalien wrote:
Read the ip manual and add the relevant commands to your /etc/rc.local.
The syntax should be something like the following (I haven't tested it):
ip address add dev eth0 local IP1/255.255.255.0 broadcast IP1
ip address add dev eth0 local IP2/255.255.255.255 broadcast IP2
Thank you, I'll try to do something in this direction.

Archiso testbuilds & feedback system

Hi!
you can find the latest archiso testbuilds @ http://releng.archlinux.org/isos/
when you run them, please report your successes and failures on http://www.archlinux.org/releng/feedback/
the more quality feedback you provide, the quicker/better new releases will come.
And preferrably, try to test options which are not tested yet by others, or which were reported to fail, or which were tested with old images.
for more info, see
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Last edited by Dieter@be (2011-05-22 07:19:22)

Just installed archlinux-2011.06.10-netinstall-i686.iso on Asus Eee PC 901 - SUCCESS!
On Archiso boot I saw this:
:: Starting Syslog-NG [DONE]
Warning: This functionality is deprecated
Please refer to /etc/rc.conf on how to define a single wired
connection, or use a utility such as netcfg.
:: Starting Network [DONE]
On installed system this warning also appears, but with an error:
:: Starting Network [DONE]
/etc/rc.d/network: line 68: /sbin/ifconfig: No such file or directory
I have wired eth0 with DHCP. I fixed both warning and error by defining "a single wired connection" as described in rc.conf and removing old network setup directives. Looks like installation script doesn't read news about Deprecation of net-tools: ifconfig is a part of net-tools which was deprecated and not installed by default. Do I need report bug?

New rc.conf networking and nic bonding

I understand that net-tools is deprecated (actually a good idea),
but i have the feeling that someone forget to think about bonds.
Netcfg should support it (optionally), but i am not able to get it working (lack of documentation).
It is possible to make the new method working:
in rc.conf:
interface=bond0
address=
then in rc.local
echo +eth0 > /sys/class/net/bond0/bonding/slaves
echo +eth1 > /sys/class/net/bond0/bonding/slaves
ip link set dev bond0 up
but i don't think that is *the* way to go
is there a better way to do it ?
maybe a feature request ?

geometric wrote:I think that optimal decision would be both ways of configuring network.
Why developers wouldn't do that? the old way is more flexible anyway
"Optimal" from who's point of view?
Have you read http://www.archlinux.org/news/deprecation-of-net-tools/ ?

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