Diamond Plus (7220) & Dual Channel

Help!
I can't get dual channel working in my Diamond Plus.I have tried 3 different bios, 4 different dual channel kits, and three different cpus and I cannot get this thing to do dual channel. Any time I put memory in slots 1-2 or 3-4 (MSI's dual channel config), the machine refuses to boot, but if I put them in 1-3 or 2-4 the machine boots fine, but single channel. Tried setting the timing manually, tried setting everything to auto. Nothing seems to work.
Tried the following:
3 Different Bios (1.0, 1.19 & 3.0a (the beta one)
1 GB kits from OCZ, Corssair, GSkill, Crucial. (all worked fine in an MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum)
Thanks in advance!
P.S. I am only worried about getting 2x512 working in dual channel @ 400 @ 1T, I am not trying to fill all four dimm slots.

Quote from: Bas on 09-April-06, 15:40:21
Can you try with a different videocard? Like some old PCI one?
I say this because you have a Dual-rail PSU with 20+18A @ 12V....it could happen that's not enough to power your system if it's not good devided over the rails.
See what happens if you use a less power videocard.
And also, DO try with another CPU if you have it around, the memory is controlled by the CPU, not the board, so if you have a bad CPU, that could cause it too.
BTW, why do you use AS5 on these CPU's? The paste on these CPU's hardly matter because of the heat-spreader.
I am running a more power-hungry setup on the same PSU without probs.......
I think there is a prob with the board........but before you do.........
Run memtest for 30mins for each working RAM config to see if there are any errors.....it may reveal something!!
Other than that mate, I am out of ideas and recommend and RMA!! Sorry

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Quote from: s_quire on 28-January-07, 03:55:27
thanks for the help..
i thought it was always like this
thats why i was concerned about
that is running memory into single channel.
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Quote from: s_quire on 28-January-07, 03:55:27
thanks for the help..
i thought it was always like this
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Roger
Ihave a Tagan 580w U22 with switchable dual/combined +12v rails and it is very stable,set it combined for 35a.
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Think you may well have a point re the 18a.
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OI,
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Thanks qyx.
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Quote from: Grouse on 13-April-06, 00:53:42
OI,
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First of all are you setting your nvid drivers to the game you are using instead of global settings.
Also what are your amp ratings on your PSU.
Also what are running in your back ground. How many processes?
Have you defragged that drive since your last install?
Have you run dxdiag?
are you using the latest dx version? One came out just recently.
I appreciate all the feedback guys, and as far as these questions, I have tried on 2 clean installs (winxp pro, and winxp x64), and have the same problem. Nothing else running whatsoever, everything updated, etc. It's got to be a hardware issue, and since it's a graphics problem that I've experienced with 2 cards, you guys must be right, it must not be getting enough power. I chose this PSU because Tom's Hardware used it in their test setup with this board (didn't realize it was such a sensative issue). I'll keep messing with it for another day or so. I'll be quite happy if it's just the PSU and I don't have to send the mobo in for replacement.
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I am working on, some major some minor these current problems. Watch out for number three it will flat blow your BIOS Parameters. It happens on my system every time, but I not been able to find any body that is will to trash the BIOS to verify it, so I can be sure it is a real BIOS problem or my system. “MCP Timing Mode” use to do the same thing, that where the V1.16 BIOS version came form MSI Tech Support sent my that one to fix the problem and this one looks to be the same.
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When submitting a problem, include a complete list of your system components; include part numbers, all Power Supply Voltages, and their output ratings. It is almost impossible to estimate what your problem is without knowing something about it.

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Hi all
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Now thats left to sort is the sound card.
Spose what I'm trying to say is. is. is.... Computer building is becoming a fine art. where you cant just bolt things togeather anymore. you have to tune each part to make it work. and sometimes it may take a week or two to do that.
I now LOVE my MSI Diamond Plus and would recomend one to anyone else looking for a simular build.

Everyone's comments here are 100% true. You need to have the nerve to explore in new terrain in order to do this. If you had any doubt in yourself, you'd either pay someone to build a rig for you or go out, sell out, and buy a frackin' Dell. Patience is also vital in computer building because without it, you won't be able to find the answers to your questions and solutions to your problems.
Building rigs can be fun as well as frustrating. Last rig I put together lasted two years before I considered a new system. Heck, that two year old rig is still ticking strong and I plan on reselling it. At the end of 2003, I bought absolutely every latest and greatest piece of hardware on the market including hard drives up the wazzoo, but there was no power supply on the market at the time that could keep a rig with 8 hard drives, a high demand video card and motherboard happy. I pretty much refunded everything and went from large to small. I built an 865P chipset Shuttle SFF Cube PC, P4 2.8C with Hyper-threading @ 3.02 GHz, 1GB DDR433 Dual Channel RAM, SATA 250GB drive, single DVD recorder, GeForce FX 256MB, Analog video conversion capture card and the rest of my raided hard drives I put them in external firewire enclosures. Ran games, edited film, designed 2D and 3D graphics and finished my thesis for my Bachelor's Degree on it like the champ that computer was. The point I'm trying to make is that we all either solve the issue and if we can't, we adapt.
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TimeReaper,
The problems your are talking about are not uncommon with this MS-7220. The BIOS Clear Circuit physically has problems and that is not something they are going fix with a BIOS upgrade.
The BIOS Clear Circuit actually trashing the values stored in the CMOS by not doing a complete clearing of the CMOS is causing the problem. What leaves trash for parameters, for the BIOS to use when rebooting.
Let give you an example that fits your case. You can set the BIOS to turn the system on at any give time and date. So, if the trash in CMOS is in those parameters storage location. Therefore, whatever trash value gets stored in the locations, as a dated and time, will turn the computer on at that time. So, you could of had the computer come on in the meddle of the night two week later. Now, think of all the functions the BIOS have and how many weird things people are having and do not know why. There is one guy that is a regular on the Forum how has been fighting a problem I know is caused by trash in the BIOS CMOS, but Strick and I have ask him to do a good CMOS clearing and he just will not do it. I even wrote out in great deal the over night CMOS clear procedure I use. It is a pain in the ass, but some times, I have too use it. I just had to use it, upgraded V3.09 using short CMOS Clear and had no problem. Used the short procedure again when upgrading to V3.0A and everything when to hell, had to finally use the long overnight procedure and reinstall Windows to get computer to run right again.
NoBS, when your computer goes BOOO during the night just plain it o MSI.
Roger
When submitting a problem, include a complete list of your system components; include part numbers, all Power Supply Voltages, and their output ratings. It is almost impossible to estimate what your problem is without knowing something about it.

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Quote from: Stick on 21-April-06, 21:32:54
Bas, read what it says right at the beginning of that paragraph.
if you go by what that table says, you cannot run 2 double sided modules in slots 1 & 3 (single channel - 64 bit) at 333 MHz at 1T, only at 2T, which you may find out that it's completely false with the MSI, since you can actually run them at 400, even on my winchester, which is an old revision.
i don't know if the memory paging needs to be enabled from BIOS in order to run 4 DS modules at 400 and 2T, but you can easily find if that's the case or not. And again, since it works for Roger, you cannot say that it doesn't work, or you'll call Roger a liar and hurt his feelings
Hi Stick,
I'm not saying it won't work, neither does AMD....
It only says that they have found to work all the time.
Basicaly it means, you could be very lucky it will do it
Some may do it, others may fail, ergo it's a lottery.
In any case, I find it hard to believe that 4 dual-sided sticks will run at DDR400, even with 2T.
4 single-sided sticks? Yes I do believe that can be done.
But like I said, I'm guessing here, as AMD isn't supporting it.
However, very unsure about this, I do believe you CAN do it with Registered memory, but then you need to use a board that does support Registered memory settings, again, guessing on my part.

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