Digital connection to 5.1 speakers : output on the rear of the ca

I would like to connect a soundblaster card to my Logitech Z-5500 5. speakers, via a digital connection cable. I would like to know if I will need to connect the speakers on the rack that comes with the S.B. X-FI Platinium (front side of the PC), or is it possible to digitally connect the speakers on the sound card itself (rear of the PC)?Thanks in advance for the information,-g

PJC's information is correct and I would only add one bit of information. You will need to configure your DVD playing software for SPDIF output as well as disable the THX certified Dolby Digital decoder on the soundcard. This will allow the signal to be passed through the DVD software and the soundcard so that your Logitech speakers can handle the decoding.
If you would prefer to use the X-Fi's decoder and sound features, you will need to use the analog inputs on the speakers as per Logitech's recommendation in the manual. They intend the other inputs for external devices such as a DVD player. By using the analog inputs, you will have the proper software controls over the Dolby Digital decoding as well as the THX optimization settings.
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    Digital Connections, SPDIF and Dolby Digital (german revision)
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    03-08-2007 01:52 AM
    Digital Connections, SPDIF and Dolby Digital Info
    Übersetzung + Erweiterungen + Revision 03-08-07
    Der Digitale Anschluß
    Ich habe beobachtet, daß viele Leute Fragen zu den Sound-Anschlüssen haben, daher trage ich hier einige Infos zusammen und erkläre die Unterschiede in der Verwendung der digitalen und analogen Anschlüsse.
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    !! Update !!
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