Dolby Digital 5.1 Premiere + Encore

Hello Everybody,
I'm from the Netherlands and working for several years with Adobe Premiere and Encore. Last month I bought a new camcorder and TV to watch movies in HD.
But I'm struggeling getting Dolby Digital on my DVD. I have read a lot of discussions, but none have the answer (for my problem).
I use Adobe Premiere 5.0 and Encore. For Dolby I have bought the Minnetonka Plugin.
My video camera is a Panasonic HDC-SDT750 with 5.1 mic.
When I play video from my camcorder over HDMI on my TV (with stereoset) the sound is 5.1 Dolby Digital. All the speakers have sound.
But when I play a DVD the sound is only stereo. (All bought DVD's are Dolby Digital ==> stereoset is working fine)
What did I do :
I imported the movie (.MTS) into Premiere. On the Audio Mixer tab I can see 6 channels moving.
I exported the video with sound over the Minnetonka plugin and created a M2V and AC3 file.
I imported this video (M2V) and sound (AC3) file into Encore and burned the DVD.
As far as I know this should be the way to do it. But without succes. No dolby Digital.
Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong or forget?
What are the best settings for my camcorder regarding to loose as less as possible quality (perhaps someone who has the same camcorder)?
(HD video 1920x1080 with dolby digital 5.1 sound, file is written with MTS extension )
Thanks for your help,
Pascal

Hi Jim,
Of course the next step is burning on Blu-Ray.
But first getting DD5.1 on disk before wasting a lot of money.
The master-file is on HDD and in HD. I can use that always later.
Thanks for your input,
Regards,
Pascal
Van: Jim Simon [email protected]
Verzonden: zaterdag 1 oktober 2011 19:37
Aan: DutchPascalJ
Onderwerp: Dolby Digital 5.1 Premiere + Encore
Re: Dolby Digital 5.1 Premiere + Encore
created by Jim Simon <http://forums.adobe.com/people/JSS1138> in Encore - View the full discussion <http://forums.adobe.com/message/3948871#3948871

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