Duplicating images in referenced library ?

hi,
i have my whole library managed by me, meaning i always import images leaving them in the filestructure i created and not letting aperture copying them into the big aperture library. my usual workflow is that i do simple adjustements in aperture and then open (a duplicate) in an external editor, in my case photoshop. but what i noticed is that aperture put's the duplicates into it's only big lib instead of putting them into the same folder where my original file lives. this is very counterintuitive, not to say wrong. is there a way to tell aperture to put the duplicates into the same folder as the original ? either right away while duplicating or maybe after if come back from photoshop ?
thanks in advance

OK, have worked out that when I empty the aperture trash I need to tick the little box that says 'move referenced files to system trash' or something like that...
So...next question: how do I get the files that I've failed to delete properly back into Aperture so I can delete them properly - given that I don't know what files they are...

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Hi,
So, my iPhoto library is getting too big - I'd like to be able to have the images stored on an external drive and refer to them from within iPhoto, whilst keeping the iPhoto Library itself on the laptop. I know exactly how to do this from scratch, by unchecking 'copy items to my iPhoto library' in advanced preferences, but I'm trying to figure out how to convert my existing library, which has all the photos stored within it, to one where all the original files are on an external drive and are referenced by iPhoto. This way, I can see the previews when I'm away without the external drive attached.
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There is no easy way to do it and I would strongly urge you to reconisder.
In a Referenced Library, iPhoto creates aliases to the location of the actual file. While there is at least one app that will help you replace those aliases with the actual files (convert a Referenced to Managed library) there is no app that will convert those files to aliases that point to the new location of the files. You will need to do each file manually.
More importantly, iPhoto has no tools to manage Referenced files. While on the same volume, aliases will track moved files. However this is not the case where the files are on different volumes. The upshot of this is that should the link to the files be broken then you could find yourself reconnecting each and every alias in your Library, one by one.
Also, I'm not sure about 09 but earlier versions of iPhoto would not open if there were movie files in the Library that were not available at time of launch.
You can move an entire Library to an external disk. There are firewire and usb disks now no bigger than a pack of playing cards and will run from the laptop's power supply.
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TD

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Hi, I have been using iPhoto for photo management where all the jpegs have been living, in organized events by date and subject for some time. I recently upgraded to aperture and am using the same iPhoto library. The issue I have is that I use Carbonite for my cloud back up and I am able to look at the pictures I have on my PC with the same folder organization I have them on my PC hard drive. This is apparently not possible for iPhoto library. The only way to access a picture on the iPhoto library in the cloud is to go through the master and hope you can find the specific picture since they are not organized in a comprehensible manner (like events or folders) in there.
So the only solution I can think of is to move the current iPhoto library to a referenced image library and use that as my default library from now on. This way I get cloud access and the events will hopefully turn into folders with dates and subjects that I can continue to keep organized to satisfy my OCD tendencies.
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1. How can I make a reference Library for Aperture/iPhoto?
2. How do I move the current library to the Referenced Library in an Organized manner? My wish list would be a series of folders labeled with the date and the subject, like I have in my iPhoto library right now.
3. If there is any alternative, your suggestions and recommendations would be much appreciated.
My computer: Mac Mini (Mid 2012), Lion, 16GB RAM.
Thank you kindly,

Or is there a way to go through aperture to make a new reference library that I can move the masters into later?
you do not move the masters into a references library - you turn your current library into a referenced library. As Terence Devlin said:
File -> Relocate Masters
What you should set up:
Select a folder, where you want to store your referenced files - probably on an external drive.
Decide on a hierarchical folder structure inside this folder - that is completely up to you.
Select a project from your library and use the command "File -> Relocate Masters/Originals" to move the original image files to the folder where you want to go them to. Only take care not to send two projects to the same folder.
Alternatively, if you do not care about the folder structure Aperture will use, select all images at once from the "Photos" view and let Aperture decide how to assing the folders - in the "Relocate Originals" dialoge you can specify a subfolder format.
Regards
Léonie

How do I move a referenced library to new MBP?

I have a 500GB external drive containing scanned files of slides I inherited from my dad. (photos he took from 1940 - 2005).
I created an Aperture referenced library that works when I attached that external drive.
I'd like to move the files to a larger drive so that it can also hold my other Aperture and iPhoto libraries.
Can I safely move the original/referenced image files to a larger 2TB ext drive and retain the Aperture links etc?
What issues will this likely cause in Aperture? How do I avoid or correct such issues?
I have also just purchased a 2014 Macbook Pro 15, with the most current version of Mavericks and Aperture software.
The Aperture library was created on my 2009 MBP running OS 10.8 (not Mavericks)
Can I just drag and drop the existing Aperture library from the old MBP to the new MBP? - even though they use different OS?
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The most secure method of moving Referenced Originals is to do this using Aperture. Select all the Images whose Originals you want to more, and run "File ▹ Relocate Originals", selecting the new drive as the destination. Be careful with the settings in the Relocate dialog. 500 GB of date will take hours to move.
You should be able to copy the Library to your new machine and run it. Once opened, you may not be able to open that copy of your Library on your old machine (and you may have to wait many minutes for Aperture to close the Library the first time you close it).
Do each of your two tasks (moving Library, moving Referenced Originals) separately, and confirm the success of the move prior to doing the second.
What you are doing is straight-forward. Just make a complete back-up of both your Library and your Referenced Originals before you do anything, and don't delete or over-write them until you have confirmed that the Library works correctly and that the Referenced Originals are where you want them to be and are correctly linked to the Images in your Library.

Aperture corrupted. Can't access images in my library. HELP!

I have a MacPro Retina running the current version of Aperture. The Aperture database became corrupted today. I had just finished uploading some 35mm images scanned from an Epson V700. I was in the middle of editing one of them when Aperture froze. I ran a FORCE QUIT and tried to relaunch but kept getting an error message (this was hours ago, so I don't remember the exact wording, but it wa something about needing to reload the library). After repeated tries to relaunch failed, I decided to try restoring my Aperture Library from a Time Capsule/Time Machine backup. I tried several differnt backups (going back one version each time) and after trying three versions, finally got one to open in Aperture.
The problem at this point is that a large number of the 3,000 images in the library are visible, but corrupted or totally invisible (showing up as an all black or all white frame in VIEWER and THUMBNAIL); others appear as digital noise (checkboard or random noise patterns).
So far, I have tried running this repeatedly to no effect.
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Some of the images in the library show up as white frames in BROWSER, but will load to a viewer frame when clicked. However, those images are corrupted because they cannot be accessed by the ADJUSTMENTS menu or by the SHARE menu (the share menu, for example, says
"The selected original image is either offline or not found. Please reconnect it and try again.").
An added couple of wrinkles for some of you very smart detectives to consider that may or may not be relevant.
*Many of my images are shared directly to Flickr from Aperture. At first I thought these might have been the images that survived intact, but now I'm not sure that there's any pattern here.
*Except for the my last set of uploaded images from earlier today and a few other recent, but seemingly random ones, none of the images in the library that can be viewed are able to be edited or shared. I can see 'em, but I can't do anything to them. And, many of the other images can't be viewed at all -- they appear as white, black or noise. A few images a partially visible -- half black or half noise and half image (images that were okay prior to the problem.
*I have NOT been using VAULTS (I assume that's a dumb choice that one of you will urge me to correct in the future, but that's not an option for recovery right now).
All I can say is... HELP!
Thanks.
PS, I have ONE-TO-ONE. Any chance someone at my local store will have enough Aperture knowledge to save me here?

BTW in your previous post you wrote
Once I have this problem fixed, I'll almost certainly shift to the managed process.
which is why I thought you were using referenced originals.
Rob,
it is still not clear if your library is referenced or managed. You may have meant to import managed, but accidentally turned off the import into the library at some point. Have you checked the "Masters" folder inside the Aperture library package, if your masters are actually there?
If it is referenced, you need to find your original image files - if they are really missing from your system drive, restore them from your Time Machine backup. But if you know exactly where they are, reconnect them using "Locate Referenced Files".
But if your library is managed, "Locate Referenced Files" will not work. Repairing this will require to patch the database files inside the package, that would be a tricky operation. You may save your edits and tags for your most important images however, by reimporting your masters and then lifting and stamping your adjustments and tags from the versions with the missing originals onto the newly imported original master image file.
Regards
Léonie

Moving images from one library to another; or how to have 2 libraries open at the same time in Aperture 2

This may be something easy but for some reason I am having a hard time figuring this out. Basically this is the situation: I have a library on my MBP hd that I import pictures to when I am not hooked up to my external hd for the time being. The main library is of course on the external 2tb drive. How do I have 2 libraries open so that I can essentially drag and drop the pictures from one library to another? It would basically be like moving files from one project to another. Thanks for any help!

Always keep a backup of your original images, before you delete them. I make a backup right form the card, before I even import them to Aperture.
How are your images stored right now? Are the referenced or managed? On your big volume I'd consolidate the newly imported images, to be sure they are really inside the Aperture library before I delete any images outside the library.
but they have the little yellow triangle caution symbol on them and I can see them but not really edit them
That is a very typical problem, when you imported your images as referenced images then somehow delete or move the original master image files, that are stored outside the Aperture library.
Do you still have the original masters of the images with the yellow triangle that you cannot edit? In Aperture 3 you can point Aperture to the location of the master image file "File >Locate referenced image" - probably Aperture 2 has a similar command to let you reconnect your masters, if you still have them. Look into the manual.

IPhoto '11 referenced library problems

I have a huge iPhoto library containing 40 000+ images, as well as a large amount of metadata (comments, Faces,...). Since I need to read-access the image files with other software, I use a referenced library.
Everything was fine until the day I decided to upgrade for a larger HD. So I simply restored full content of my old drive on the new drive using a TimeMachine backup. Nothing else was modified (no directory structure changes, not even the volume name).
Since then, the problems. Essentially, references to the original files are lost: Thumbnails are OK, but upon accessing the larger view, iPhoto asks me to locate the file... After having done so, other pics would load nice, but nothing would stick upon a quit and relaunch of iPhoto... (Funnily, this happens only for pics that were imported *after* I upgraded from iPhoto '08 to iPhoto '11).
I tried many things: rebuilding the database, rebuilding the database on the older drive prior to backup, etc... Nothing would help.
So, my questions:
* Whad did I do wrong?
* Is there a way to "repair" file references? (That should be a fairly obvious functionality of database rebuilding)
* Is hacking into the Library.apdb file part of the officially supported solutions?
Obviously, recreating a new iPhoto library is not an option for me, due to the amount of metadata in my library that I don't know how to transfer. Also, I don't consider upgrading to Aperture, which is just too complex and loaded of features which are totally useless to me.
Running Lion and latest iPhoto update.
Thanks!

YES!!!
I finally managed to recover my iPhoto library!
But it was not easy. I had to hack into the database file to put up things right.
After a significant amount of trial-and-error, here is the procedure I came to, which finally worked for me (use at your own risk):
0. Make sure you make enough backups so as to revert to the previous state if something goes wrong!
1. Make a copy of your iPhoto Library [Show Package Contents]/Database/apdb/Library.apdb to your desktop.
This file contains most of the data involved for managing your iPhoto data.
2. Open this file using a SQLite database manager.
I used Navicat 9.1, which has nice import-export features. For direct editing, Base 2.0 is may be easier.
3. Open the table RKMaster.
This table contains all records for the individual pics of your library.
4. Correct the path of each of your pic files in the imagePath column to their current filepath.
This contains the path of your pic files at the time they were imported, and is not updated by iPhoto even though you have moved your pic files somewhere else.
If you have several thousands of paths to correct, a good idea is to export this column to a text file (also including the modelId column for referencing), and to correct paths using the substring Search&Replace function of your favorite text editor. Be sure to re-import the corrected data properly using the modelId column as references.
5. If needed, correct in the same manner the content of the fileVolumeUuid column to the value of the drive currently containing your picfiles.
If needed, obtain this value considering a pic which was recently imported from that drive.
6. If your drive name was modified, also correct its name in the name column of the RKVolume table.
Identify the proper record by considering its uuid previously obtained.
7. If you're happy with your work, quit the database managing program and put Library.apdb back in its original location inside your iPhoto Library.
Keep the older somewhere in case something goes wrong.
8. Run iPhoto to see if your work is successful!
At this point, you might consider rebuilding the Photo Library (hold alt-cmd while launching iPhoto) and choose Repair the iPhoto Library Database (Be sure to leave the Rebuild the iPhoto Library Database from automatic backup unchecked!). This might correct some possible unconsistencies resulting from your edits. Also, a good thing might be to rebuild all thumbnails. If iPhoto does not bug you for locating files during that process, you have possibly done your work right! If not, back to step 1.
As said, this worked for me, with no visible inconsistencies or side effects to be noticed in the behavior of iPhoto (at least for now). But possibly some knowledgable people might comment and improve that process, and some database script guru might also help automating this. Please comment.
Lessons learned (How I understand the things as far as I know):
A. Library.apdb stores the initial drive and path of the pic files at the time they were imported. This is not modified as the files are moved around.
B. Some other data (BLOBs?) is used to track the files at their actual location. Therefore, it seems OK to move the pic files after they were imported.
C. Unfortunately, this other data is broken if the file is recreated (even with same content and location), for example with a file-based backup and restore (Time Machine).
D. In that case, iPhoto is unable to recover the file if its current drive and path does not match the one when the file was imported, stored in the database. Also there is no mechanism in iPhoto to correct this data.
E. Therefore, it is very important to import pic files in iPhoto only when these are already in their final location! If not, your iPhoto Library won't survive a TimeMachine backup and restore! (Possibly, a block-based drive backup could work... I don't know).
F. ...And Apple should really, really fix this issue! (By correcting the stored filepath and drive to the current file location at least when the database is repaired, and by offering at least some basic file reconnection options).
Hope this helps...
- Pascal

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It is not clear from your description what the instance name is that you have assigned to the image holder. The code below assumes you named them image_holder, though you may have used imageHolder, so you may need to change that in what is shown below. THe code below has three bolded lines added to take care of loading the images from the library.
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var yPos = 0;
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Hi,
For the last couple of days I've been busy trying to get my Aperture library to work properly. I recently started using a referenced library because of lack of space on my internal ssd. I've generated previews on all of my 40000 photos. I can see all of my Projects, thumbnails, metadata etc. when my external drive is disconnected. However, there are two major issues:
1) Most of the video thumbnails are broken, both in Aperture and iPhoto. By double clicking a thumbnail of a video (.mov, .avi etc.) it sometimes starts playing, sometimes it doesn't, totally inconsistent. I can export the video and it works just fine.
2) While using iPhoto with the external drive disconnected, all Events are there, the thumbnails are there, everything looks ok, but I can only view some of the previews/photos after double clicking the thumbnails. A dialogue opens up saying "The volume for [imagefilename] cannot be found. Insert the disk or connect to the server volume..", but I can actually see the full size preview behind this dialogue. By clicking "Cancel" the photo dissapears and is replaced by a black screen with a grey exclamation mark. This does not occur while using Aperture, I can see all of my previews in full glory when the external drive is disconnected. However, with the external drive connected everything works in iPhoto (except above mentioned issue with videos).
Please boys and girls, help me out with this!
System information
OS: Maverick 10.9.1
Aperture: 3.5.1
iPhoto: 9.5.1
Thanks!
//Michel

I don;t use iPhoto much so I'm no expert but looking at other posts asking a similar question sems to indicate iPhoto is not capable of doing this.
See Can iPhoto view pictures on a disconnected external drive in a unified photo library? for one example.
Again if Aperture is working correctly on the referenced images on the disconnect drive and iPhoto is not you will need to ask the iPhoto folks.
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I have a referenced library, the masters are on an external drive; right now the library is on another external drive (mini, so most everything is on external drives via firewire 800). I'm swapping in an OCZ SSD to use for my boot/applications drive, together with a few GB's of documents that I frequently use. Taking advantage of the weekend to set up a drive to clone on to the SSD after I install it.
Any advantage to moving my library over to the internal SSD?
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I have moved my entire homefolder (incl. the Aperture library) to the SSD bootdrive in a raid0 setup. While the overall experience is definitely a lot snappier, I didn't find my workflow much faster than it was before with respect to Aperture. I guess most of the time I'm fiddling around with image-edits that hardly involves HD access.

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Hi,
I've switched from a managed to a referenced library.
I stress that after double checking ALL my photos are now stored outside of the library.
When I show the content of the apertue library package I can see the Master folder still contain 25GB+ of photos.
What are thses files?
Can I delete them?
Thx!

Over time you'll end up with more content in the Master folder. For example, if you edit an image in an external editor, Aperture automatically creates a new original (master). These automatically created originals are always managed. You will need to relocate them after the fact to make them referenced.

Managed vs. referenced library??

I am test driving aperture and have been using Photoshop- Bridge to organize my photos. That is to say I keep them organized in folders which I create for each project. Each folder has a name that means something to me and is dated. I rarely cannot find a specific photo shoot. If I let Aperture organize the library will I have trouble finding the origional Master image. That is what I never liked with iPhoto. Would you recommend continuing to use my files which are on an external drive, as a referenced library, or should I just have Aperture create a Managed library out of my files?? Thanks.

This particular topic is driving me crazy because you all seem to take the opposite sides on this subject.
Here is my current setup and workflow. Can I get suggestions of the best ways to use aperture within these parameters
I have an imac dual core intel about 3 years old (imac7,1). It has six gb of ram and I just installed a new 2 TB internal drive. It currently has about 330 gb used.
I have attached to it the following drives: a 1 TB usb drive for time machine, a 2nd 1 TB USB drive which is a scratch disk for stuff I don't back up, and a 500 GB FireWire 800/400, usb which is partitioned in two. One partition is where I store a cloned back up via superduper and the other is where I have stored some test master photo files while I figure out the best way to use aperture.
I also use backblaze to back up the internal drive to the cloud. I am currently backing up about 250 GB.
I have around 20k photos on the internal drive inside iPhoto 11. I haven't touched those yet.
My photo workflow for new shots is to download the pictures to the external firewire drive then import the jpeg (I usually shoot in raw + jpeg) to aperture as a referenced import then cull the bad shots and then import the masters as referenced also. I also import the jpeg files to iphoto (so they are backed up).
I am going to have backup issues due the new 2 tb drive with the super duper clone (only have 500 gb available to the firewire drive. I could do the back up to the 1 tb usb drive instead and use the 500 gb firewire drive as my external drive for movies and photo masters. IF I do that then I’m going to have to backup everything again to backblaze (takes about six weeks to back up 250 gb). If I do that then I am living on the edge because I will only have one backup of my photo masters. That scares me.
The whole process scares me so much I have touched the iphoto library yet..
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