Embed Adobe RGB Profile?

Hi. I've been working with iMovie 6.0 and have been importing stills and applying the Ken Burn's effect. I noticed that when I import a jpeg with no embedded Adobe RGB 1998 profile, the images are lighter and more washed out. But if I embed the Adobe 1998 RGB profile, the images look much richer and colorful. Has anyone else noticed this? Is it necessary to re-save every JPEG from my camera with the Adobe RGB 1998 profile to get good color in iMovie? My camera can't set photos to the Adobe RGB 1998 profile automatically. It only allows for sRGB.
Thanks for the help.

I tried out a few different settings, and it seems like the most vibrant color occurs with the Adobe RGB 1998 profile. The second best is embedding sRGB and my least favorite is when I use the image straight from the camera. I'm confused about this because shouldn't the image straight from the camera be the same as if I saved it in photoshop with an sRGB profile embedded? My camera shoots in sRGB, so why would it look different if I used photoshop and clicked the embed sRGB profile? Is the sRGB profile photoshop uses different from the sRGB my camera uses?

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I've taken some photos on my Nikon D300 with the colourspace set to Adobe RGB. These import and display fine in iPhoto '08 but when printed it looks like the printer (Epson R2400 with the Epson 6.12 driver) is using the sRGB colourspace. The only option I can find relating to colour, is the Color matching dialogue which gives the option of Colorsync or Epson Color Controls. I've tried both with the same results. Preview shows the profile of the .nef file to be Adobe RGB (1998).
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AndyMn:
Welcome to the Apple Discussions. Most inkjet printers are geared for the sRGB profile. The Adobe profile is used by professional printers. Apple's services also recommend the sRGB profile. You need to reassign the sRGB or sRGBIEC1966-2.1 profile. I'm not sure about the raw file but you can use the ColorSync Utility to assign that profile to the file.
I have an Applescript that will apply the profile to files or folder of files dropped on it. I'm not sure if it will work on RAW files but it does on jpgs and tiffs. You can download it from Toad's Cellar. It takes about 6 seconds per file but does not apply any additional jpeg compression to jpg files.
Assigning the profile is considered better than the Applescript way but can only be done one at a time. You can test each method and see what gives you the best results.
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto (iPhoto.Library for iPhoto 5 and earlier) database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.
I've created an Automator workflow application (requires Tiger or later), iPhoto dB File Backup, that will copy the selected Library6.iPhoto file from your iPhoto Library folder to the Pictures folder, replacing any previous version of it. It's compatible with iPhoto 6 and 7 libraries and Tiger and Leopard. iPhoto does not have to be closed to run the application, just idle. You can download it at Toad's Cellar. Be sure to read the Read Me pdf file.≤br>
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Hi, Tom.
The real issue here is getting accurate color. You can't get accurate color by setting your monitor profile to sRGB. sRGB is a virtual color space that doesn't describe the exact color gamut of any physical device. But, in order to display sRGB or any color space accurately, you need to get a characterization of your monitor.
Here is an AWESOME way to get access to a colorimeter: http://www.lensrentals.com/rent/pantone-huey-colorimeter Looks like for $32 you can rent this for a week. Go in on this with a friend and profile both of your monitors and hardly pay a thing. If you have a reasonably good quality LCD monitor, this custom profile you make will be fairly accurate for many months. At the very least, this is way more accurate than having no regular calibration at all.
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IPhoto export images w/Adobe RGB

I shoot in RAW (Nikon), import image file to iPhoto, do some minor edits, and export to JPG (max quality) or TIFF. When I open with Preview and do COMMAND-I, I noticed the exported file now has Adobe-RGB as the color space.
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Welcome to the Apple Discussions. Where do you export the file to? Are you using iPhoto to do the editing or a 3rd party editor like Photoshop?
Is there a menu option in the camera's settings windows that lets you assign a color profile? If there is what is it set to. Does editing a photo that hasn't come from your camera result in the Adobe RGB profile?
How is your iPhoto Advanced preferences set up?
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If it is not checked then check it, import a RAW file, do you edits and check the profile. If it is checked, uncheck it and run the same text.
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IPhoto 5 and Adobe RGB - RGB 1998

Dear fellow members,
1. I've been using iPhoto 5 for a couple of years and haven't questionned about this version <<compatible>> with Adobe RGB (RGB 1998). I understand that the sRGB is already an embedded profile of iPhoto 5, but is Adobe RGB embedded either?
The reason I ask this question is because I wish to work in Adobe RGB, from my new digital still camera, to my other post-processing softwares [from Adobe and Phase One manufacturers].
I understand that Adobe RGB offers some more tonalities and color spectrum, this is the reason why I wish to move from sRGB to Adobe RGB.
2. If I wish to publish photos on the web, I should be careful about exporting in sRGB for a broader audience, though.
But does iPhoto knows it automatically, I'm not sure, however, I can try to convert to sRGB in Preview.app and compare...
3. Looking at pictures on a browser, Safari, or Firefox also differs: Safari manages Adobe RGB, but not Firefox
(see e.g. http://www.gballard.net/psd/golive_pageprofile/embeddedJPEGprofiles.html) .
4. From what I've learnt, I also had to recalibrate my Ti667 screen from the Apple preset 1.8 to Gamma 2.2.
5. Finally what does Generic RGB mean in the OS X system?
Thank you for your comments and responses.
Best Regards.

Mr. Scuttles:
1 - It depends on what camera you're using as to the profile used. Canon cameras use a profile titled Camera RGB. It's an RGB profile that is very similar to the other RGBs except for the Adobe. The Adobe has a wider gamut (range) of colors. If your camera embeds Adobe when you shoot then you don't have to do anything.
2 - If you edit in iPhoto the modified version will retain its Adobe RGB profile. So if you plan on using the photos on the web and want to use sRGB you will have to embed that profile with a 3rd party application. I've modified a ColorSync Applescript to do that. You can download it from Toad's Cellar. It's much faster than using Preview as it can do batches of photos at one time. Just drop the files or a folder of file on it and let it do it's stuff. It's a lossless process. It's a tad slow however, but does a very good job.
5 - See this Technical document for the Generic RGB and Apple RGB differences: http://developer.apple.com/qa/qa2005/qa1430.html
If you open the ColorSync Utility application (in the Applications/Utilities folder) you can view and compare the various profiles.
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Color management: Adobe RGB 1998 issues in print module

When printing to a JPEG file from the Print Module, I've noticed that the "Adobe RGB" profile differs substantially from the "Adobe RGB (1998)" profile supplied with Windows.
When viewed with Photoshop, the "Adobe RGB" images are much more saturated than the image previews from the Lightroom window. Photoshop displays the same "Adobe RGB (1998)" profile for both files.
I have tried to reinstall Lightroom, but this has not solved the problem.
It seems that when selecting "Adobe RGB", Lightroom is in fact converting the image to sRGB, but embeds the "Adobe RGB (1998)" profile.
ICC profile selection: http://julianchoquette.com/fichiers/forum/lightroom-color-a.png
This will output files that look like the previews in Lightroom: http://julianchoquette.com/fichiers/forum/lightroom-color-b.png
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Yeah that is completely different. My guess is that this is the bug I mentioned before. It should not happen but clearly does. It works normally on my system (I just tried again).
>Note that both dialogs do not display exactly the same name for the Lightroom provided Adobe RGB profile. http://julianchoquette.com/fichiers/forum/lightroom-export-dialog.png
That's normal and doesn't mean anything. On my computer it actually says "AdobeRGB" without the (1998) that yours shows but I believe that's simply a difference between the Mac and PC version. You can try whether it does the same thing if you select prophoto. But somebody with Vista x64 and LR 2.3 should try the same thing to see if this is a bug specific to the PC version of LR.

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I have an Olympus E-620 DSLR. When I set the color space in the camera to sRGB, after downloading the images, when I click to open them in Photoshop 7, the images are properly identified as sRGB files. When I set the color space in the camera to Adobe RGB, Photoshop does not recognize the format. Please see the picture below.
Question 1: Why does Photoshop not recognize the Adobe RGB files?
Question 2: What can I do to make Photoshop recognize Adobe RGB files?
Question 3: If I assign in Photoshop the Adobe RGB profile to an unrecognized Adobe RGB file, does that even make any sense? Is the "extra data" that Adobe RGB offers compared to sRB even there even if the profile is not recognized in the first place?
I am very grateful for any comments and advice!

Buko. wrote:
Are you saying that the file is really AdobeRGB and because PS7 is so old its defaulting to sRGB? which is why you are assigning?
Yes...if the file name starts with an underscore _IMG12345 then the image is indeed in Adobe RGB. It's a failure and limitation of the EXIF spec that only allows for two different EXIF tags relating to color space...either sRGB or "unspecified".
Since the camera makers wanted to offer Adobe RGB as a color space choice in camera JPEGs, the underscore was the ONLY way to say whether a file was in sRGB or Adobe RGB. Note that camera JPEGs do NOT have an embedded profiles, just the EXIF tag. And yes, Photoshop 7 is/was too old to understand the Adobe RGB underscore color space.
A lot of stuff has changed (sometimes radically) since that piece of software was released...heck, there wasn't even a Camera Raw until about 9 months AFTER Photoshop 7 was released. Camera Raw 1.0 was released Feb. 19th, 2003, Photoshop 7 was released about April 2002.

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I know in the export presets I can adjust what profile aperture will use. But what about when I open with External Editor. I like doing this because I can open my image in PhotoShop make my adjustments then save it and have aperture manage my files. But when I do this it opens the file with Adobe RGB, my lab and I sometimes want Adobe RGB. How can I change this without exporting the file and reimporting the file. Thanks.

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As I am struggling with choosing the 'right' color profile for my photo's (either sRGB or Adobe RGB) I was wondering what your opinion of this subject is. I have searched the internet for the information about this subject, but the forums/answers/information couldn't give me enough satisfaction.
For editing photo's I am using Adobe Photoshop, for my library I use iPhoto. Some photo's are uploaded to sites as www.facebook.com. Sometimes I order a photo book via iPhoto.
Because there are pros and cons for both sRGB and Adobe RGB I am not sure which profile I have to choose. I would like to choose one format, since this will standardize my library.
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Larry & Terence,
Did you do any on-screen testing or proofing? All modern browsers support ICC profiles and should show improvement with Adobe RGB in certain color ranges (NOT just Facebook).
Apple products aren't "designed" for sRGB. sRGB is a standard developed by Hewlett Packard and Microsoft (and I think we all can agree those aren't Apples best friends). sRGB is the default for most Cameras and SmartPhones, that doesn't mean it's the best.
Most monitors sold in the last 5 years have wider gamut support than the sRGB.
Article "Can the entire sRGB color gamut be displayed on today's LCD monitors?"
http://ninedegreesbelow.com/photography/srgb-bad-working-space-profile.html
"sRGB was created to match the display characteristics of consumer-grade CRT monitors manufactured in the1990s." "LCDs use a completely different technology to make colors..." "All wide gamut monitors by definition can show more greens, yellows, and cyans than sRGB."
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http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2026
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Batch Assign missing Profile - Adobe RGB

Is there a way to batch assign the missing profile?
Each time some images are opened we have to assign the missing profile manually - and save manually even tho' image has been worked on in Adobe RGB. Makes working with 100's of images very very slow! On MAC OS X Version 10.3.9. Look forward to some advice.

Open the Actions-palette, click on the notepad-symbol at the bottom next to the wastepaper-basket-symbol (thus creating a new Action), name it, and perform the tasks You want to record (in this case Assign Profile); as long as the Record-button is red any further recordable acts will be recorded, so hit the Stop-button (the one with the square) when Youre done.
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Hello and thanks in advance,
(I'm using InDesign CS 5.5 on a Mac.)
I need to set the proper PDF export settings
For printing a book on demand, with color drawings inside on the text pages.
The onnly instructions that I have been able to find, say this:
"Submit your graphics in the Adobe RGB color space, withprofile embedded."
The Big Question: How do I do that ?
I know enough to start with
File --> Adobe PDF Presets --> Press Quality
Then I click on the "Output Menu"
and here's where I start to get lost.
for
Color Conversion ...
I think I should select "Convert to Destination"
for
Destination
I think it should be "Adobe RGB (1998)"
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Profile Inclusion Policy ?
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Thanks again,
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In either case, CMYK is in fact the actual destination color space. There are no real RGB printers!!! What is true is that non-PostScript / non-PDF printers (typically low end laser and inkjet printers as well as specialized inkjet and dye sublimation photo printers) do take in RGB via drivers and convert that to CMYK, but I don't believe that is what you are dealing with.
Our recommendation at Adobe for best printing results, whether for offset or digital printing, is to export PDF as PDF/X-4 with no color conversion using the default CMYK color space (SWOP CMYK) or if instructed otherwise by your print service provider, one of the other CMYK color spaces provided by Adobe or by the print service provider themselves. FWIW, most on-demand digital print devices do have settings to fully emulate SWOP CMYK printing conditions. Using PDF/X-4 in this manner allows the existing color content in your InDesign document to be properly tagged in the output PDF file and converted to CMYK at the digital printing device's RIP.
(It might also assist us if you can provide a pointer to the explicit instructions provided by your print service provider.)
- Dov

Book photos sRGB or Adobe RGB?

Which profile should the images for a book have?
sRGB or Adobe RGB?

I am sorry but I do not think you really understood what profiles are for. An image (be it a JPEG, TIFF or even PDF, since it DISPLAYS something) MUST have metainformation on what its color values mean independently of what device you want to display them on. Without that info a PDF output would be caothic and unforseeable, since each device would interpret it according to the device's defaults.
That metainformation, combined with the information of how a device displays color (that is, a calibrated screen or printer), makes it possible to display images in several devices as close as possible to each other and to its supposed abstract colors (real colors, independent of device). If there is no metainformation (a profile) on what those RGB or CMYK values mean independently of any device, you are simply subject to the color shifting that any device is naturally subject to cause when not instructed on how to correct it. I.e. if a pixel in your image is a neutral gray -not color tinted- and you display it on a screen that shifts to red, you can still make it show a neutral gray if the color engine of your software shifts the image to the opposite color before displaying it. The software accomplishes that by combining the device profile you created when calibrating the device -or at least, by associating it to a default profile intended for that device- and the profile of the image. This is an oversimplification, since profiles in images deal with quite more than just color shifting.
PDF's are intended to be portable (hence, what the P in PDF stands for) and, then, must have a way of guaranteeing that color is reproduced as faithfully as the displaying device allows to. PDFs without information on profiles would be useless to their aim without this metainformation.
So PDFs DO STORE profile information.
The only catch up on this is that PDFs can contain several images, so in fact PDFs do not embed a single profile to govern all images inside it, but one profile for each embedded image.
Quoting you, then, those embedded profiles are what make the point of the PDF - " a self contained freely readable document in its own format" *that displays the same colors in all devices* (* = as close as the device is able to, as long as the device is calibrated, and as long as the device's software also is profile-aware; which can apply pretty much to any computer).
Answering the question of the first poster, I'd go for sRGB, since that is the color gamut most cameras are calibrated for. While AdobeRGB is wider, you will probably not be getting a wider color gamut since your camera did not capture it in the first place. Besides, not all printing services have a decent color workflow, and some will ignore the profiles you embedded (which is catastrophic since that means they will interpret the color values in your photos according to another supposed profile -because by definition, always that there is an interpretation of color values into an output, a theoretical profile is being used even if not aware of that, since that is what a profile does: turn abstract -digital- color values into real colors). And since sRGB is quite more used than AdobeRGB, their device will most probably output closer to the former. AdobeRGB images interpreted in an sRGB color space become dramatically desaturated.
I hope that helps. If you need me to be more explicit on something, just ask.

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