Extending home wireless network with 802.11b/g Airport Expresses

Home Setup: iMac with iSight G5 2.1GHz PPC, OS X Leopard 10.5.8, 2.5GB memory, 2 Airport expresses-802.11b/g.
Up to just recently, I was able to use my AE's to create a whole house wireless network: one as my main network connected to my cable modem, and the other as a wireless network extender. My extender got pulled out one day accidentally, and when I went to plug it in it wouldn't reconnect to my network...and so the problems began. Airport Utility used to give the option of "Extending the Wireless Network", but no more.
I've done a lot of searching through the forums regarding this issue, read through the sage advice by superusers Tesserax and Bob Timmons, and attempted to set up my main AE as my "WDS Main" AE and the other as my "WDS Remote". The WDS main connects fine to the internet, but the WDS remote continues to show a flashing amber light and inability to extend my wireless network. I've done soft and hard resets to the remote AE (which transiently gives me a green light, then back to flashing amber), network diagnostics using the Airport utility, but still no luck. The AE wireless extender continues to flash amber and is nonfunctional.
AE Wireless extender settings reported:
-WIreless Mode: Create a wireless network
-Connect using: Ethernet
AE Errors reported:
-Ethernet Unplugged
-Default Settings
I setup the AE Wireless extender as a WDS Remote, it resets and shows "Normal" without problems reported in the summary window of Airport Utility. Connection indicated as "Airport (WDS)" and Wireless Mode reads "participate in a WDS network", but the AE is still flashing amber and will not connect to the internet or Main WDS wireless network.
Went to the Genius Bar at the local mac store...they couldn't help at all.
I'm out of answers...help?!
Allan

There are basically two "flavors" of WDS that the AirPorts support: static & dynamic.
o A static WDS allows for a main, relay, and remote base stations in the configuration. This only operates in the 802.11g radio mode. Its advantage is it is well suited when you are trying to cover a considerable linear range ... like a rectangular house where the Internet connection comes in at one of the shorter sides and you want wireless at the other end. The biggest disadvantage of this type of WDS is that for every base station added, you lose half the overall bandwidth.
o A dynamic WDS allows for only a single main and multiple remotes. Think of a wheel with the main at the center and the remotes as spokes of the wheel. The advantage of this type of WDS is it operates in the 802.11n radio mode and doesn't suffer a significant bandwidth loss like the static version.
As a minimum, a dynamic WDS requires two 802.11n AirPorts (or Time Capsules). You can create a static WDS with either all 802.11g AirPorts or a mix of 802.11n & 802.11g AirPorts. Note; however, you cannot create a dynamic WDS with mixed mode base stations.

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