Face detect behavior on previously tagged images

Hi,
I transfered all my previously tagged images (before face detect feature was available) to the newly created "people" tags. For example, PSE8 face detect created a tag for Claudia (my wife), I then transfered all the photos with my wife on them that I had manually tagged before PSE8. I did that for all my "favorite" faces. Of course, all the photos added to the organizer AFTER installing PSE8 have been added using this feature
PSE8 keeps asking me "Who is this?" for older photos (added before PSE8) even when these photos are already tagged with the proper face tags.
How should I proceed?
How should I handle photos that were added before PSE8?
Should I keep "teaching" PSE8 so it recognized the faces for all my pre-PSE8 images?
I have around 3,000 images in the organizer pre-PSE8
Any comments will be greatly appreciated

Thanks John.
In a related question. PSE8 face detect algorithms do not seem to remember one of my favorite faces (wife wife's!!)... In every rectangle of her face, it will never suggest her name from the usual three options... it will autocomplete her name, though. Even after several sessions, it will never suggest her name.
Is this common? This behavior seems only specific to her face.
Should I delete her face tag and start all over?
What do you reccommend?
Thanks

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Q1: What is the proper way to merge these duplicated tags? Should I just add all the photos from the old people tag to the new (face detected) tags by dragging/droping the new face tag icon to the selected pics?
Yes. Note that when using face tagging, you can type in the name of a pre-existing People tag and PSE should use that tag (at least it does in my catalog). But you need to type it in exactly -- otherwise, PSE will create a new one. Once you've typed an existing People tag once into face tagging, PSE will then "auto-complete" it in the future.
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johnrellis wrote: However, in my PSE 8, when I type in the name of a pre-existing tag exactly, Find People For Tagging will use it, rather than creating a new one, regardless where in the heirarchy the existing tag lives. Did you type in the pre-existing names exactly?
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I might be missunderstanding your answer, but what I was after was almost a directory that would show the basis pictures for which PSE is evaluating each person tag. I have seen something close during tagging sessions, but it only shows a few tags...and I can't seem to call it up directly or get the list for all the tags.
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