Flash/Flex search engine workings

I'm looking into using Flex/ruby on rails to develop my next
application. However, I have a couple of questions I'd like to get
answered before I go too far down the path.
I'm a coldfusion programmer that is used to creating sites
that are easily learned by the search engines. With Flash, and to
my knowledge, search engines cannot "learn" a site. Is this true
and how does everyone work around this?
Finally, how does performance work on a flex website? I can
get a lot of people to hit a CF site hard without having to worry
about hardware and upgrades. Will I have issues with flex? How well
does Flex scale?
Regards,
Scott

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Flash on search engines

Hi,
Does the latest version of flash (8) improved enough to make
flash sites
more SEO friendly?
anyone has any tips?
thanks in advance!

I've tried another way using php, not sure is it a proper
way, but so far it is quite efficient. Check this site
http://www.muzakraf.com/
1 website, 1 php, multiple swf files, 1 for each page, pages
swf loaded into 1 main swf. Each page of the flash site indexed by
those major search engine.
http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&q=site%3Awww.muzakraf.com&meta=
http://search.msn.com.my/results.aspx?q=site%3Awww.muzakraf.com&form=QBRE
http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/advsearch?p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.muzakraf.com&bwmf=d&bwm= p&bwms=p
May be there are some other better way. Give me some feedback
too.

Flash and Search Engine Indexing

Hi all,
I am sure this is a newbie question that has been answered before but does using
flash on a website affect how the site is indexed by the main search engines?
thanks
TermPat

Well in theory, search engines like Google are suppose to be able to read the text used in Flash Website, improving SEO somewhat. But in my experience, it has not developed to a point that is equal to a straight HTML site. In particular, if you are using xml files to provide text or other data to the Flash pages, I don't see Google indexing that text.
So as a backup, I would suggest using swfobject to place your Flash on the Web page. Then add plenty of regular HTML as "alt content" to descibe in great detail the graphic elements. Since most viewers will not see this "alt content" you can actually over do the descriptions and get in MORE unique phrases, descriptions, and text content, than if you were just using HTML.
So in effect, you can get your graphic elements displayed with Flash but the text data described in HTML. Is it more work? Yes, But if SEO is important to you, Flash of and by itself will not index as well as just HTML.
Here's an example of using "alt content" to descibe the products in much greater detail than what you actually see on the Flash page. First view the Web page, its just a simple .swf with a little text on it. Then view the source code and see the "alt content" that lies behind the Flash.:
http://www.ksowetsuits.com/
For more info on swfobject:
http://code.google.com/p/swfobject/
Here's a little tip to measure exactly when and what gets indexed on your site. Create a unique word that cannot be found ANYWHERE on the Internet, something like "myuniquewordisdellamagestic"...can't be found anywhere on Google.
So include your special words in both your Flash file as well as the swfobject "alt content", using 2 unique words, to see which is indexed first. As soon as that word is indexed, it will appear top position, first page. So Google for it every so often, once it shows up you know that content has been indexed. See which gets indexed first, the text in Flash or the text in the "alt content".
I had one site where I used a complete text narration of a Flash video as the "alt content" and had the VIDEO (actually it's alt content) indexed within 4 hours. Now that's a case where using Flash PLUS alt content give a better WEb page than just the Flash alone or just the text narration alone. Best of both worlds I would say.
Best wishes,
Adninjastrator

Flash and search engines

Where do I go for a discussion on how Google's failure to crawl flash sites is stifling development of rich internet applications?

There is a lot going on around Flash and SEO, though much of it is behind the scenes.
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/seo/
and specific to Google and Yahoo, read this:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/swf_searchability.html

(SEO) Improving Search Engine Rankings with FB4/Flex 4 (spark)

Is FB4/Flex 4/spark components doing work to make Flash RIA sites searchable?

Hi,
We are not doing anything specific in Spark to enable more searchability, we are still waiting on the search engines to continue to improve their implementations to support loading content dynamically which will then expose the text that is on the screen. We do have some thoughts on things we can do with deep linking to help promote structure to the search engines in the future, but that would also require cooperation with the engines and isn't something we can do entirely on our own.
Matt

Flex and search engines

Hi all,
I looked at old messages, but couldnt really find an answer in recent subjects.
I had my website in HTML before, and it was pretty high indexed in all the search
engines. Now I moved exactly the same information into a flex application and
it can't be found on the same positions anymore in the search engines.
What can I do to get back my old rating ?
Do I have to put the source open ? Or can it be found with hidden code as well ?
Thanks for all info.
regards,
Patrick

These links give information on Flash SEO:
http://www.beussery.com/blog/index.php/2008/10/google-flash-seo/
http://www.ip-seo.com/latest/2009/06/how-does-google-read-flash/
http://bevelwise.com/blog/2008/09/how-to-seo-flash.aspx
If this post answers your question or helps, please mark it as such.

How to develop a search engine in flash cs3

Hello Friends,
I need a small help in developing Search Engine in flash cs3.
I am going to develop a search engine in flash. But i dont have any idea on how to do this... so can anyone pls help me out. Any links/steps/code
would be really appreciated.
My goal is to develop a search engine in flash which should work more or less like google.
Regards,
Rajesh

What is your definition of search engine? What exetend of similarity to Google you are planning?

Cannot select search engine--page just flashes

When I type in a search I am directed to the select search engine page which just flashes off and on--I cannot make a selection. Same result with Safe Mode. I am able to use Advanced Search.

It is possible, but not very intuitive. Needed to play around quite a while and also the help of a friend.
You have to activate the Opera keyboard via Settings --> Advanced --> Opera keyboard --> always.
New engines you an add by e.g. open Bing (no advertising ) and do a long press on the search input field. A menu will give you the option to add the engine.
Hope this helps!

Flash Search Engine SDK

Hi Folks,
I´ve got some questions concerning the lately released
Flash Search Engine SDK.
Well, what I know so far is it allows spiders from Google or
Yahoo to read out the text used in .swf files.
But how does it really work? For example:
If you avoid using flash on a website the normal way to get
an acceptable page rank is to use things like title, keywords which
are repeatedly used in continuous text, h1/h2 tags, file names,
link names, ...
But which of those things apply on the .swf files as well?
Are link names recognized as related to their target and by
their content?
Do keywords defined in the head apply on the .swf files?
Do the spiders see dynamic generated text inside the .swf
files (text you read out of external files, xml files, ...)
I hope you can give me some useful information on how it
works exactly because I couldn´t find any useful confirmed
information on the internet so far.
Thanks beforehand.

The spiders see ALL text on all pages. They actually run a
specialized version of the player, and they go through and catch
any text. They don't catch text that is invisible, off the display
list, or off the stage, and they only catch text that is still text
(so no broken apart text). They do see the dynamically-generated
text, but the specialized player does not allow the loading of
files, so if it is XML-generated, they don't catch it. A caveat
there, the google spider will mark the XML file that you try to
load, and will crawl and cache it separately.
Also, the text does not have size or color information, so
weighting information visually does not work.
Google has not released anything (even to the Adobe devs
working on this) about how the information is getting weighted.
Here is a link to Jim Corbett's MAX session this year, which
covers all of this information and more in detail:
http://tv.adobe.com/#vi+f15384v1000

Flex store example + deep linking search engine question or LocalShared objects

hi, i wanna make a onlineshop site.
i'm wondering what would be the best approach.
if you use the adobe demo ...
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/samples/flex_store/
+ some other MXML and ActionScript tricks and build a 1 app web.
on a old style website you would have the basic 5 pages + a page for every product.
witch can be easily indexed by a search engine.
as everyone knows, the more pages you have, the greater the chance is that some search engine will show your article/product, depending the keywords of the person is using (+ some other factors).
i know that google can index in SWF files.
but i don't think they will actually execute the application you made and scan all products you offer via the 'Flex Store' demo.
the cool part about 'Flex Store' demo, you user doesn't need to wait for page loads.
i have understood, that local shared object's can only the used by the same application.
i would like to have some input from you guys.
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URL, email links in Flash swf files shows up in search engine

Hi, can you please help? I post this problem a while ago.
My problem is: I developed a website in Flash 8 on the Mac.
The Flash swf file is displayed via Dreamweaver doc. When I do a
search and, when the site is found in Google, all the links used in
the Flash swf file appears in the snippets below the main title. I
would like to know where I'm going wrong, and how can I prevent
Google from displaying the URL and email details.
Do I need to use a preloaded, or do I need to put the Flash
swf movie file in a table in Dreamwever.
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>I don't know how this is happening then. Search engine
spiders don't
>read through compiled files like Flash.
Thanks, this is reassuring. Although it seems to have done
just that.
The following action script is where the details are coming
from. I've used the name 'whatever" as an example. I don't mind the
URLs on view as much as I mind my email address because of security
issues.
on (release) {
//Goto Webpage Behavior
getURL("mailto:[email protected]","_blank");
//End Behavior
I'll check my files again to see if I've miss anything out -
I have done this so many times already.
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Flash & Search Engines

Hi Folks,
I have an intro page with and enter button that is all
flash.... this isn't going to work is it? The engines won't find
this page will they? If they can great...I just was wondering what
the best way to go about having the search engine find a flash
intro page like this. For example Google says to submitt your top
level page...well could i register the actual home page that the
intro page is pointing to.which is Flash & HTML both.
Thanks so much for your time on this!

At the very least with the "arrival" of the active content
update, the use of something like swf-object ist very adviseable.
Using that properly gives you the chance to solve this
problem (and others) in a very elegant way.
Just put enough info into the alternative text (that will be
replaced by flash if installed) an a link to the actual home page
that will help a great deal.
Submitting to google will help, but only for goole (yes there
are othere search-engines out there ;-) ).

Making Flash Content Visible to Search Engines

When I was using Flash CS4, it published a HTML file that showed the text content of the movie, which made it easy for search engines to index the site. However, in Flash CS5.5, I notice it doesn't appear to do that anymore.
What do I do (step-by-step) to make my movie content visible to search engines?
Thanks!!

Create all the text content in HTML first.... then use swfobject for Flash detection to display the Flash if the visitor has Flash, regular HTML text if not.
http://code.google.com/p/swfobject/
For reiew:
If you think that Flash is somehow bad for SEO, it's time to dispell that MYTH!
If fact, in some circumstances I'll use Flash INSTEAD of just HTML because then I'll have better SEO than with just HTML alone.
http://www.worldbarefootcenter.com/
The link to World Barefoot Center in the above post is just one example. View the source code and you see a couple paragraphs of text along with regular HTML links.... but what displays is the Flash version of the image and Flash links.
The client provided the artwork for the page... and that's what they wanted to use a .jpg image. Well yes, that could be done in HTML but it would be virtually invisible to Google. So Instead I converted the image into a Flash .swf and used swfobject to display the Flash. swfobject allows you to create alternate content inside the <div> which also holds the Flash .swf, then when the page is loaded it detects if the browser has the Flash pluggin. If it does, it displays just the Flash content, if not, it displays the alternate content. Since almost everyone has the Flash pluggin, for most people the Flash version of the <div> will display.
The alternate content for that <div> can be any regular HTML text, images, media player, links, etc., anything that you would use if you were not using the Flash. Now the best part is that the alternate content can be "over the top" as far as optimizing for SEO, since it will not be seen by most viewers.
Here's another example of SEO with Flash.. again, the page is just a single image provided by the client:
http://www.ksowetsuits.com/
View the source code. The alt content is paragraph after paragraph of information about the site, including lists and links. If it was just the HTML, it might be kind of a boring Home page. But for SEO I can go "over the top" in promoting the site, since most viewers will never see that part... but it's all indexed by search engines. The end result is BETTER SEO using Flash than just HTML.
On another Web site, a Flash video is displayed, the alt content is the complete text narration of the video. Now how many people would take the time to read that if they could just watch the video instead?? again, better SEO with Flash than without. In fact in one case we had first page search result from that video narration within 4 hours of posting the page.
On still another site with a Flash video, the alt content is another video, but a .mov version, which will, in effect play Flash video on the iPhone (not possible you say??). Well since the iPhone does not have Flash pluggin, it simply displays the .mov version of the video, while everyione else sees the Flash version.
So anyway, if Flash is a part of your Web development, you should look into using swfobject and alternate content.
http://code.google.com/p/swfobject/
Best wishes,
Eye for Video
www.cidigitalmedia.com
Best wishes,
Adninjastrator

[FLASH] Macromedia Flash Search Engine SDK

He leído ue con Macromedia Flash Search Engine SDK se
puede ver aquello que Google indexa de los archivos swf.
Me gustaría saber dónde puedo descargarlo, ya que
la url oficial de la descarga está NOT AVAILABLE.
Muchas gracias,
Xiskya

Bueno, me gustaría tener una respuesta tan compacta y
segura en su contenido
que hasta los ingenieros de google y adobe se quedaran
boquiabiertos, pero
no es el caso: Ellos también están detrás de
la solución a este engorroso
asunto desde hace mucho tiempo y es muy complejo hacer que el
ingeniosos
robot de google renderice, (perdón, represente) el
contenido de las
películas interactivas de flash o que los swf's se
vuelvan harto
transparentes para la torpe lectura de una máquina. Pero
sí que podemos
hacer muchas cosas para facilitar la tarea del indexado,
qunque repito que
ninguna de las que te diré son absolutamente fiables y
que todo tiene sus
ventajas e inconvenientes. Veamos:
- Hace ya años que Google indexa parte del contenido
textual (texto
estático, no externo) del archivo swf, en especial los
títulos que se
encuentran en la parte superior de las pantallas, los enlaces
fabricados
diréctamente (sin que sean botones) y algún
contenido javascript.
Contrariamente a lo que se cree esto no solamente sucede con
las películas
principales, sino también con las cargadas desde ellas,
pero nunca estaremos
seguros de si un texto estático será
corréctamente interpretado por el gran
hermano.
Para asegurarnos de que lo haga debemos recurrir a una
técnica que suele
funcionar muy bien.
Para ello hay que entender que los desarrollos web deben
separar el
contenido del estilo y del comportamiento, y aunque el uso de
Flash puede
incluirse en las tres categorías, hace ya tiempo lo
desarrolladores tendemos
a separar el contenido de nuestras películas en archivos
externos (tanto por
la carga modular de la información, como por la
organización de las clases o
la división del trabajo entre diseñadores y
programadores). Pues bien, esta
técnica consiste en utilizar el FlashObject para
incrustar nuestra película
en el html, mediante un archivo javascript, como hacemos de
contínuo hace ya
tiempo, pues de otra manera el Internet Explorer nos avisas
con un cartelito
pedorro.
En primer lugar haremos nuestra página principal como si
no tuviera Flash y
apuntara a un enlace que muestre el contenido (bien un html,
un xml o hasta
una base de datos, lo que quieras que se indexe por google) y
solo si el
usuario tiene el plugin de flash requerido para nuestra
versión y el
javascript activado, le mandamos el contenido flash, de esta
manera:
<div id="flashcontent"> Esto se sustituye por el
contenido de Flash si el
usuario tiene la versión correcta del plugin de Flash
instalado. Coloque su
contenido HTML aquí y Google lo indexará sólo,
ya que es contenido HTML
normal (se trata de contenido HTML!) Utilizar HTML, insertar
imágenes, puede
ser cualquier cosa en lugar de una página HTML que
está muy bien. </div>
<script type="text/javascript"> // <![CDATA[ var fo
= new
FlashObject("flashmovie.swf", "flashmovie", "300", "300",
"8", "#FF6600");
fo.write("flashcontent"); // ]]> </script> </
div> <script
type="text/javascript"> / / <! [CDATA [var a = new
FlashObject (
"flashmovie.swf", "flashmovie", "300", "300", "8", " # FF6600
"); fo.write
(" flashcontent "); / /]]> </ script>
Esto, escrito en tu archivo js, hace que google se salte el
swf e indexe lo
que ocupa su lugar, pero si el visitante tiene el plugin y el
javascript
instalado y activo, respectivamente, entonces lo
mostrará. Incluso si
apuntas tu web a una base de datos google la reindexará
automáticamente de
contínuo (salvo que el archivo robots.txt de tu servidor
le indique lo
contrario). Puedes, pero debes tener cuidado con, incluir
enlaces externos
en el contenido alternativo, ya que podrían considerarte
una linkfarm y
penalizarte.
Existen otras técnicas, pero esta me da muy buen
resultado.
Salu2
`8¬]
Juan Muro
"xiskya_lucy" <[email protected]>
escribió en el mensaje de
noticias news:[email protected]...
> Hola Juan!!
>
> Me alegro de re-encontrarte!! Y como siempre, a punto
con tus respuestas.
> Mil
> gracias.
>
> En realidad, lo que más me ayudaría es saber
qué debo tener en cuenta para
> que
> Google indexe más o menos bien mis archivos SWF. Y
seguro que me puedes
> ayudar
> en ello.
>
> Mil gracias de antemano.
>
> Xiskya
>

Flash Search Engine

I've studied some years ago that flash website were difficult
to see from the search engines like google, so it was difficult to
obtain the first position of the ranking on those site. (google,
altavista)
Is it any solution for this problem nowadays???
Thanks for your help!!!!!
This is crucial to decide the technology that I'll use on my
website.

http://blog.deconcept.com/2006/03/13/modern-approach-flash-seo/
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www.offroadfire.com
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