Forum quotes

When I insert quote, and review my post, I see this -
function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}
It's kind of embarrasing. Any clue why this is so? (I do frequently snip the original post for clarity)

Try a different browser, maybe...
Peter, it's not always there, even with the same browser ...
When things like these happen I usually say, "today must be an even day."

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  • 2010 Forum Quotes

    In remembrance of last year let me share my collected (funny) quotes from this forum:
    | 2010 PL/SQL Forum |
    Aketi> This thread is to discussion what is difference between wmsys.wm_concat and ListAgg.
    michaels2> You might then also introduce a comparison with 11g's similar (undocumented) stragg function:
    BluShadow>Have they been letting Tom at the source code again!
    Slow_Moe>There is most certainly a difference here. I use Toad 10.5.1.3 in both cases, just pressing the button.
    We do have some issues with the database, performance wise, though. I'm starting to think it is
    not completely sane (upgraded from 9i, not installed from scratch).
    BluShadow>That could be an issue in Toad.
    We've just installed Toad 10.5.1.3 and they certainly have seemed to manage to introduce a multitude of bugs in it.
    Op presenting some large select> This was actually a query that someone else put together and asked me to fix - so I'm not actually sure what their requirements are.
    Tubby> I think you should stop immediately what you are doing, i mean this seriously.
    If you don't understand the requirement there's very little chance you'll have any measurable success tuning this. The bulk of tuning (in my experience anyways) comes from understanding the data, their distributions and the exact requirement needed by the query in question. Sure you can throw in the odd bit of technical magic to save the day, but i would say this is the exception and not the norm.
    It's entirely possible you could transform this query into an elegant 20 line query that executes in a fraction of the time, however, that's never going to happen without understanding the question you are trying to answer.
    oP> Thanks for Information.I will do in the below method.Confirm me it is OK or not
    amarkiewicz >I'm not exactly a machine and can't parse it as well as the db can. It looks like a good start. Try it out and see what happens.
    sybrand_b>BTW will anything bad happen if you post a question consisting of more than 1 line. Salary substracted? Fingers chopped off by your boss?
    John Spencer (about naming conventions in Sql Server Db)>
    Given that an unqualified name is usually resolved (only?) in the current database, and doing master.dbo.sp_help table_name gets tedious after a while, they chose to use the sp_ convention to "force" initial resolution to the master database.
    Billy> So it was introduced just because they were lazy to type a fully qualified name and rather hacked the object resolution scope and introduce exceptions to what should be sacred grounds - consistent behaviour in scope resolution....
    Makes sense... if you happen to be a Ferengi and dislike everything Vulcan...
    OP>I am finding out that explain plan and running the optimzer tools in SQL Navigator is much to read than in sql plus.
    SomeoneElse>I shall alert the media.
    OP>My database session has been locked. Please suggest something.
    Karthick_Arp> Kill the session.
    Saubhik>Find the lock and kill....
    sree>pls try alter system kill session 'SID,SERIAL#
    Ulfet>Firstly investigate why session was locked. If necessary kill session.
    Sven>All of you are session terrorists! All you want to do is kill...kill...kill! ;)
    William>The killing is regrettable but necessary to liberate the session ;)
    Billy>With most the advice offered here, you just as well can get some PE4/C4 (plastic explosives) and blow up the server. That will not only kill the "locked" session, but also kill any other potential and imagined problem arising from that server.
    As William said - a session is never locked. There is no such concept at session level in Oracle. A session can be blocked - something very different from being locked.
    A session can also become unresponsive for a number of other reasons. Stuck in an infinite loop courtesy of buggy code. Doing tons of I/O courtesy of bad SQL design that results in a cartesian join. Or slow because of just plain shoddy PL/SQL code. Etc.
    Killing that session will not tell you anything about what happened, what went wrong, and how to prevent that from happening again.
    The very first step when dealing with any IT problem is to identify the problem. Once you know WHAT the problem is, you will know HOW to address it. Killing the problem.. that only works as a solution in the military. Not in software engineering.
    Toon Koppelaars>Don't believe everything you read on the internet (even not this...)
    OP> what is the view?
    JS1>It's what you see when you look out your window.
    Someoneelse>http://theview.abc.go.com/
    OP> the application generates dynamically the condition in the form :
    where <condition_string> in ( 'red','blue')
    Billy> You need to consider what that means in actual terms.. in terms of the data model, in terms of dealing with end user requirements, and it terms of database performance.
    In most cases. this approach is fatally flawed. Is due to a poor data model and not correctly dealing with end user requirements in a performant and scalable fashion. Never mind trashing fundamental database concepts dealing with performance and sharable SQL.
    OP>of course, thats what I know. I looked for a quick workaround.
    Billy> So instead of running into a brick wall at a 90 degree angle, you want to see if it hurts less using a 60 degree angle?
    I would have thought that not running into the brick wall at all was the aim...
    BluShadow(after some heated discussion about pros and cons of SQL language syntax elements)>
    SQL> select * from dual;
    SQL> please process your datafiles and return the data from all of the columns from the table that is referenced by the name of dual;I know which I'd prefer....
    Munky>I like the way you said 'please'. Maybe, rather than all this 'tuning' nonense - response time could be directly correlated to how polite you are!
    Boneist>That's certainly true of the forums, if not the database! *{;-)
    Karthick_Arp>I would wish for MAKE_ME_RUN_FAST hint
    Munky>But surely this would be better?
    SQL> set timing on
    SQL> Hi ther Mr. DB (I do hope you don''t mind me calling you that?).
         I''ve got some super stuff for you to do and I would be just
         thrilled if you could do it expediently.
         However  - no pressure - you just do it at your earliest convenience.
         What I''m look for is all of the data from all of the columns
         that you've got in that dual fellow.
         Would that be okay?
         Jolly good, and thanks again old boy! xxx;
    D
    X
    Elapsed: 00:00:00.01
    SQL>----------
    Hari>Sorry Blushadow if my information went wrong, I copied it from a OTN Forum
    Blueshadow>Don't believe everything you read on the OTN forums, it's full of people posting inaccurate information. ;)
    William (in the "Wishlist" thread">I'd like BETWEEN to have an optional EXCLUSIVE clause for each end of the range so we didn't have to keep rewriting it using AND x < y etc.
    I'd like them to drop the stupid MODEL clause so I didn't have to feel inadequate for not understanding it, along with GROUP BY CUBE and while they're at it, XML.----------
    OP>If I need to remove some sensitive data from single field of a row in database (10g and 11g), is there a function provided by Oracle Db to do that? Just simplely set the value to null is not enough. I heard that 3 passes or more with certain set of values can do the trick. But I am not quite sure about it. Any suggestions? Thanks.
    hoek>Tricks don't exist in Oracle database-world. Please turn you mumbo-jumbo into somethng humans and databases can read and understand.
    Munky>You could get Prime's armed DBA to hack away at it? When NULL is not enough, use a chainsaw (sure I heard that somewhere?).
    John>Wouldn't it be a bit insensitive to shoot sensitive data ? (armed DBA ... could be a new role ;) )
    Munky>{code}SQL> CONNECT SYS as ARMED_DBA{code}
    http://asktom.oracle.com/pls/apex/f?p=100:11:0::::P11_QUESTION_ID:1156151916789#25335122556076
    user11268895>..but i was wondering why:
    user11268895> select count(distinct rowid) from mytable
    user11268895> select count(rowid) from mytable
    user11268895>were not rewirtten to the same thing (syntaxically/logically they are not the same, but an optimization can be made there (removal of the aggregate))...
    BluShadow>It's probably not automatically rewritten to teach you a lesson for not understanding what rowid is and not knowing that rowid's are already distinct. :P
    3360>Also it is a game of catch up. When Oracle protects developers from doing one stupid thing they seem to be infinitely resourceful in coming up with new ways to shoot themselves in the foot.
    http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2701
    op> what is scalar subfactory .what is the purpose of it.
    MichaelS>Do you - by any chance - actually mean Scalar Subquery?
    op> scalar subfactory usage in performance tuning
    WHiteHat>do you mean a sub-contracted industrial plant specialising in extreme musical instrument manipulation?
    OP>I am getting an ORA-03113: error when executing the below trigger
    CharlesRoos>This happens when you come to work in the morning run first query without reconnecting to database firstly.
    OP: find first three highest salary from emp for each dept
    Sven: John, Paul and George.
    Munky: Got em! They were hiding under my desk! Do I get a reward for returning them safely?
    OP: query to find first three highest salary from employee table for each department
    Maxim: But really interesting is , what their salaries are... And whether their company still hire...
    Munky: "query to find first three highest salary from employee table for each department " => I've have made the appropriate enquiry. Hope this helps!
    Dbb: I suspect it is for fire them...
    Riedelme: "Sven wrote: John, Paul and George." What do you have against Ringo?????
    Munky: The OP only wants to fire the three that earned the most (obviously forgetting any additional income made from doing voice overs for children's programs)
    Sven: Afaik Ringo doesn't earn as much as the other three.
    OP: asking some question about dependencies
    OP (30 minutes later): Is any one there????
    Someoneelse: "Just nod if you can hear me"
    OP: I'm noding can u c me?
    Jay> First of all, whenever i try and put my attempted code for this in a thread it says 'sorry content not allowed'.
    BluShadow> It could be that your code contains some words that aren't permitted on the forums. If it contains certain words that spammers use a lot e.g. "S h o e s" then it may be rejected by the forum on the belief that you're trying to post spam.
    Billy> Or "d i s c o u n t" and similar words..
    Munky> But not 'bollocks'! <cringes - sorry couldn't resist>
    BluShadow>Of course not, we're allowed to talk bollocks. We do most of the time anyway. ;)
    Mosaq> and some of it is necessory sometimes ;-)
    | APEX forum 2010 |
    Peter to Carl>but if you say it's possible, it should work!
    carl>I say all sorts of things, that doesn't mean that it "should" work just that I think it "should" work . ;)
    j4john>Now that Craig Venter is creating synthetic life and the Higgs boson is wearing a false nose to evade detection, it's probably time to up the game in Apex file uploads.

    This is the great thread ;-)
    My favorite threads are below.
    Munky posted great reply :8}
    SQL Query Help
    order in a connect by

  • Test of forum edit problem by a Moderator

    Adding some test text in a quetion.
    Possibly forum quotes feature has damaged editing feature.
    ''edited by the-edmeister - 01-02-2015 17:47 CST''
    blah blah blah
    Also are we shooting ourselves in the foot, giving a warning and effectively blocking our own troubleshooter app.
    P.S.
    And is there a bug filed for warnings about outdated Flash on Linux. I have not checked

    ''guigs2 [[#answer-673539|said]]''
    <blockquote>
    I created this about the gallery showing up for the edit question page: *[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1117945]
    As a moderator can you click on the image attached and see an "x"?
    </blockquote>
    That's now closed as a duplicate of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1117894 bug 1117894] "Unrelated screenshots attached when editing a question"
    Yes I do see a bar with a cross. Presumably that allows deletion of the image. I have not got a post to hand with someone else's image attached but they have a cross for the OP and Mods.
    Being able to browse all attached images may; very occasionally; be useful, if for instance there is a spam attack, but then we would need to know also which post the image was attached to.
    Speaking of spam, maybe an Admin needs to look at the Mods forum and address the comments in https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/forums/forum-moderators/710686?last=63439#post-63439 [done]

  • [off-topic] How to {code} and {quote} tags?

    Hi Experts,
    In the old JIVE forum, we had two tags - { code } and { quote }   (without spaces)
    In this new forum, quote tags are there... but can anybody please tell me how to bring the { code } tags?
    Like the one used here - https://forums.oracle.com/message/11041702
    ( { code } tags - White vertical stripes )
    -- Ranit

    Yes, the others have the correct answer, but you can also get the quoting lines by playing with the pre syntax in the html editor.  You have to be careful to move the </pre> tags to the right place in the hierarchy, and there seems to be some pre- and post- processing going on that might mess it up anyways - when the system is slow and you go into the advanced editor, you can get a glimpse of some of that happening.  I think that is why they can't get it right, it's too helpful.  I gave up trying to figure it out, except when it won't work and I have to futz with it (sometimes when you quote, it all gets quoted and there's no way to add an unquoted line).
    Here I added a <pre class="jive_text_macro jive_macro_quote" jivemacro="quote"> and an associated </pre> on your "Thanks for responding" line:
    ranitB wrote:
    Hi Dude,
    Thanks for responding. Did you manage to check the link I posted previously? I used the { code } tags there.
    Just wanted to know how to get those "white vertical lines" around my code. They look neat, decent and still preserve the code formatting. (unlike the Syntax highlighting >>)
    I did some decoding in HTML mode, with <code> and <pre> tags and CSS "class=jive-pre" ... but no good.
    Are you getting my concern... Any pointers?
    -- Ranit

  • R835 P56X USB 3 problems

    I have my R835 running nice now with Crucial M4 SSD, 8 gigs ram, 6230 wifi and the latest Bios & drivers.  But, whenever I use the usb3 port to transfer files from or to my usb3 supported external drive, it starts out fast but then comes to a screaching halt at quarter or third into the transfer!  The computer doesn't freeze or crash, its just like the port locks up!  Then I'd have to use the other usb2 ports without any problems, but slower!
    Any ideas?  I made sure the usb3 driver is installed!
    Thanks.

    Check out this post from another forum:
    [quote]
    USB 3.0 problem appeared on my Satellite R830 after a month of everyday use. Controller started to power itself off not only on heavy file transfers, but sometimes even with simple USB mouse connected to it. Problem existed on both OSes which I have installed on my SSD: 32-bit WinXP Pro with latest driver from Toshiba's website ver. 2.0.34.1 and 64-bit FC16 Linux with 3.1.2 kernel (i've swapped stock HDD to Intel 320 SSD and said goodbye to Win7).
    After a small research it seems that this is not Toshiba's problem, but a bug in old firmware of Renesas uPD720200 USB 3.0 controllers. It is described here for example. I've installed latest Renesas firmware (4.0.1.5) and latest Windows driver (2.1.28.0) found here, and it helped. I think problem has completely vanished now on all OSes, so solution was in firmware update, not in driver.
    [/quote]
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  • Spry Accordion doesn't work properly

    I uploaded the site the other night and it worked out just fine. I made a change in some spacing between two words and added a letter to a word. Then all of the sudden it did not work on my next upload. The link to the page is http://www.tc.umn.edu/~aias/about.html#. I appreciate the time you put into solving this in advance!
    The code of the page:
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                    <strong class="lg_titlefonts">AIAS-MN</strong><br />
                    AIAS  Minnesota is a student group at the University   of Minnesota for anyone  with an interest in Architecture. We hold   biweekly meetings where we  invite influential speakers to come and   inform us about issues  pertaining to architecture. We also attend local   events such as firm  crawls, participate in design charrettes, and use   our design skills to  help out community members in need through our   Freedom by Design team.  AIAS Minnesota is part of a national group that   holds regional &quot;quad&quot; conferences twice yearly, and a national &quot;forum&quot;   held every year, over  the weekend of New Year's Eve.<br />
                    <strong><br />
                    Mission:</strong>
                    <ul>
                    <li>To promote excellence in architecture education, training  and practice.</li>
                      <li>To foster an appreciation of architecture and related  disciplines.</li>
                      <li>To enrich communities in a spirit of collaboration.</li>
                      <li>To organize students and combine their efforts to advance  the art and science of architecture</li>
                    </ul>
                    <span class="lg_titlefonts"><strong>Freedom By Design</strong></span><strong><br />
                    </strong>Is the community service program for the AIAS Chapter at the University of  Minnesota. We are a registered student group at the university.<br />
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                    <strong>Year in school:</strong> Junior<br />
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    swfobject.registerObject("FlashID");
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    Let me put it another way.
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    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
    <HTML><HEAD>
    <TITLE>404 Not Found</TITLE>
    </HEAD><BODY>
    <H1>Not Found</H1>
    The requested URL /SpryAssets/SpryAccordion.js was not found on this server.<P>
    <HR>
    <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.37 Server at www.tc.umn.edu Port 80</ADDRESS>
    </BODY></HTML>
    This means that the document cannot be found.
    I could also put it another way by translating ../SpryAssets/SpryAccordion.js as http://www.tc.umn.edu/SpryAssets/SpryAccordion.js
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    What I won't tolerate is their complete lack of any answer to the honest and legitimate questions I have posed to them. In particular, as to why these moderators here are the only ones who claim that the GeForce 4 chipset based vga cards require so much power.
    Show me some proof. Maybe an article on a PC vendor's website or a magazine article that backs up your claim. Even a vga card vendor or retailer that lists the power requirements???
    You have failed miserably in the fact that you completely play dumb and ignore my questions. Maybe you are that dumb, I'm not sure.
    You owe it to every person who comes here looking for help, to give them truthful statements and advice. If you can't, then don't say anything. There are many posts here where people ask for help on their vga cards and the knee-jerk response is "you need a bigger power supply". Syas who? Back it up!! Look through the threads and note how many people you have said that to whom go and spend their money on a new psu, on your recommendation, just to post that they STILL have the same problem.
    The moderators here just regurgitate the same lame questionable solutions.
    My advice to anyone seeking help here is to do your own homework before wasting money on these "solutions". Join another forum not related to MSI. Find one for NVidia. Or a general tech support forum like techimo. Even ask your local coputer parts stores.
    I am not debating the benefits of having a large power supply.
    I am, however, questioning your intelligence level and your commitment to helping others versus stroking your own ego.
    I will now leave you in peace to say whatever you like about me, but rest assured, after I am done, someone from MSI will be examining this board and it's propensity for distributing inaccurate solutions as related to their products. I am sure MSI will be thrilled with their reputation being associated with inadequacy and unhappy customers
    Elzie

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    The moderators have asked me to leave this forum and not return. I will respect their wishes and do just that.
    No one asked you to leave other than invite you to visit another forum
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    What I won't tolerate is their complete lack of any answer to the honest and legitimate questions I have posed to them. In particular, as to why these moderators here are the only ones who claim that the GeForce 4 chipset based vga cards require so much power.
    It has been a known issue and has become one of the top solutions to many problems in and out of these forums. In fact, I would say approximately 50% of the time it is an inadequate power supply.
    Ever Since the Athlon XP there have been serious issues with inadequate power supplies.
    It became obvious that with the current peripherals populating today's PC's the power requirements have increased in performance based systems. Add a GF4 to the mix and it can cripple many supposed 300w power supplies.
    If you called my reseller he'd tell you straight out that his tech recommends two or three brands of PSU that are rated over 400w with a AMDXP and GF4 combo, but won't tell you about the combined power requirement because it's like a trade secret.
    Telling that to the layman or n00b usually results in a blank stare and that "I don't get it look" I often get from my coworkers when I try to explain anything technical.
    Unfortunately, the generic answer from many PC shops is you must have at least a 300w power supply, and again we have the dilemma, whereas there is no set standard, and some will handle the requirements, then, other claimed 300 watters fail miserably and often cause damage to the PC.
    Many of these shops don't build the high end systems that we often see in these forums and if they do, it's with tried and true hardware that works together.
    There are times when we are wrong but in this medium (forum) it is virtually impossible to be correct in diagnosis all the time, as we cannot be present while troubleshooting.
    In troubleshooting PC's and building them yourself without knowledge of these things, leads to many different outcomes.
    1.   you get lucky and the build goes well because you did a little homework before doing so.
    2.   You have problems that lead you to a medium such as this where you will get varied replies just as you would if you were to call a technician. Possibly solving your problem or leading you down the wrong path.
    Ad infinitum.............
    Either way, you take the risk of something not performing properly.
    Symptoms can be the same for several problems that are encountered. The power supply is more often the solution than not. So my reasoning at least, is why not eliminate the problem before it happens. Remove it from the equation, and if you play your cards right when you purchase the PSU (that may not be the problem).
    and you make sure you know the return policy should you not need it, you can then return it, and get your money back.
    These are the risks you take when putting together a system or upgrading, novice or not.
    You claim to be skilled in troubleshooting, but are you that naive in believing it's that cut and dry?
    Neither I nor any of the other mods will tolerate your arrogance and insults to our intelligence, perhaps it is you who need to change your perception.
    Offer your skills and help instead of your utter lack of respect. If it is a fight you are looking for, this is not the place or the medium in which to do it, and you have  underestimated your opponent.
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    Show me some proof. Maybe an article on a PC vendor's website or a magazine article that backs up your claim. Even a vga card vendor or retailer that lists the power requirements???
     Below are a couple of things that come to mind, I do not have all my links as I lost them in the great IBM 60GXP crash of 2002
    Inadequate and Deceptive Product Labeling:
    Powersupply Calculation
    http://firingsquad.gamers.com/guides/power_supply/
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    You have failed miserably in the fact that you completely play dumb and ignore my questions. Maybe you are that dumb, I'm not sure.
    I won't even go there, I will just play dumb, for your sake
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    You owe it to every person who comes here looking for help, to give them truthful statements and advice. If you can't, then don't say anything. There are many posts here where people ask for help on their vga cards and the knee-jerk response is "you need a bigger power supply". Says who? Back it up!! Look through the threads and note how many people you have said that to whom go and spend their money on a new psu, on your recommendation, just to post that they STILL have the same problem.
    You're right about truthful statements and advice, I never, nor have any other Mod, lie to anyone and the fact that you are insinuating we have lied, is a testament to your ignorance and arrogance in this matter.
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    The moderators here just regurgitate the same lame questionable solutions.
    My advice to anyone seeking help here is to do your own homework before wasting money on these "solutions". Join another forum not related to MSI. Find one for NVIDIA. Or a general tech support forum like techimo. Even ask your local computer parts stores.
    I agree with you in part and I can see where you might see them as lame.
    And the advice you give in the above quote is good advice, it's always good to get other opinions so you can make a better educated decision, and I invite any user to visit the other forums and then come back to share the experience with us.
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    I am, however, questioning your intelligence level and your commitment to helping others versus stroking your own ego.
    I believe I already addressed this one before except the ego part.
    I don't get that part, only that the ego is obviously present in YOUR posts.
    We don't work for MSI but volunteer our time (of which I have spent/wasted too much of my Saturday evening on this reply) This is a user to user community and we are just other users like everyone else but with privileges that allow us to moderate, not solve everyone's problems.
    If you do not feel comfortable with the advice then it is ones prerogative to get another opinion or try another forum. We do hope that the user shares the outcome to benefit the community and later use it for reference.

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