Forum section for Arch-derived and "installation-assisted" distros?

Apparently there's a policy that posts regarding Archbang, Bridge Linux and other "installation-assisted" Arch distros will be moved to that purgatory of forum sections known as "Off Topic".
I'm wondering if a new forum section could be established to accommodate discussion of these distros.
For example, I think it's helpful for Arch users to know that there are ways to achieve a quick and painless Arch installation if you don't have time to go through the config yourself. I've been using Arch for seven years and have installed it many times, but recently I needed to install Arch in a hurry. Bridge Linux let me do just that, and I suspect Archbang would have, as well.
I think the Arch forum mods are trying to keep the forum focused on the essential Arch experience of installing from scratch, editing config files, etc. That's fine, but I suggest that a section be opened for installation-assisted Arch distros to accommodate Archbang, Bridge and other distros that yield an Arch system.
People who use these "installation-assisted" distros are running full-fledged Arch Linux, not another distro derived from Arch.
As things stand, it's almost as if you shouldn't expect support on the Arch forum if your spouse or a friend installed your system for you!
Thanks.
Last edited by dhave (2012-04-05 17:26:08)

As one of the moderators, allow me to chime in here. First off:
dhave: It was good trading emails with you earlier this week. After we communicated, I saw that my colleague moved your post to off-topic. Sorry, I did not have the opportunity to let them know you and I had communicated. Regardless, off topic really is not purgatory -- that would be "Topics Going Nowhere" (Actually, I suppose that would be limbo in Dante's view) The other side of Styx would be "Dustbin". Some of the best discussions occur in off-topic
In general, I am pretty easy going and try not to interfere with healthy discussion. We are, after all, a community. Not everything needs to be Arch centric. I am also fairly tolerant of questions that have clearly been asked and answered before; sometimes because new users don't know what they don't know. I don't mind doing some hand holding. Sadly, some folks never get with the program
Jason, Allan : good to see you both. Hope you are having a good autumn down there.
As to other distributions, here is the thing. These are the Arch Linux forums. People who are researching problems here depend on these forums as a dedicated Arch resource. The moderator team works to keep these forums on topic and prevent "contamination" from distributions that handle things differently than Arch and may cause confusion or may be plain old wrong with respect to Arch.
As such, a friendly discussion about Bridge Linux is harmless; whereas questions about Archbang (a fine distribution) on the Arch forums can be a direct cause of misinformation that creates problems for the users of both distributions.
Last edited by ewaller (2012-04-06 06:53:09)

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steelystan wrote:
The final price of the phone was $260. I was told by the VZW agent to expect a ~$199 + tax ($215) charge on my next bill. There was no mention of a $30 upgrade fee. I was not notified BEFORE the purchase, and if it's listed on the discount upgrade page it's not very clear.
I did not see the articles in the news about this fee in the past and VZW did not make it clear to me that I would be charged this fee. I expect the VZW phone agent to make me aware of the fee's associated with any service I use, like this upgrade, but the agent failed to mention it.
Yes, I am complaining about the discount. I'm already unhappy that I was forced to lose my unlimited data plan when upgrading (unless I paid for the phone in full), but being charged an extra $30 for "services" like BA+ and workshops is absurd. Regardless of how much of a discount it was I don't like having surprise fee's come up on my cell phone bill. Why don't they include that free in the displayed upgrade price? Why not show $229.99 instead of $199.99?
And it's 57% discount, not 60%+
Well according to the stats you just posted sales tax is 8% so since you insist on including that, then at full price a $600 phone plus 8% is $648. $260/$648 is 40% thus you received a 60% discount. Also even at 57%, you are complaining about a 57% discount? Really? If you went to a car dealer and got a 57% discount you'd be ecstatic. If you got a TV for 57% you'd be ecstatic.
This fee was announced April 11th 2012 It made ALL the major news sources.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/11/verizon-upgrade-fees/
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There is no way you were not told in some fashion. You say VZW agent. So you ordered this over the phone? Ok so where did you see the phone you wanted? Um at this site? Well the fee is listed VERY clearly on the price of the phone. if youw ent into a VZW store it;s CLEARLY listed on the price tags.

Requirements for database design and installation

Hi,
As a database administrator, how to find out whether the database is design and installed properly?
Can you please what would be the requirements to be considered towards the databse design for application developer ?
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Mohamed ELAzab wrote:
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What I, the lead developer (Maty1206) and second lead developer (smartboyathome) need is a programmer, who is experienced or good enough to build a friendly front end GUI for Arch Linux's AIF installer. It's a community project, so their really isn't any pay. Doesn't matter what language the programmer uses, as long as it works for the task (No java though). So if anyone wants to do it, can and has the time, just post a comment here.
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Awful Experience with Delivery and Installation of Appliances from BBY

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I was gratified to read that the store's general manager was able to work with you to help assuage some of the problems that were created. It was regrettable that the refrigerator arrived damaged, but I was happy to hear that the delivery and installation of the other appliances went smoothly.
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Hi everyone especially mac experts
This is my first visit to this forum. I have been using my Powerbook g4 12 inch for 3 - 4 years, never had any problem til now!!
My mac has problem all the sudden, got hacked or something, I dont know, I cannot even restart, it hung since apple logo appear, only way is insert install disc + press C with only one option it allowed me to do "erase and install" no backup no upgrade!!!!
Anyway, that is not my question, it just a whining, my question is when i tried to reinstall with my installation CD that came with my powerbook and/or panther CD with 3 blacks and 1 codeX, which I got it when I was a member of developer connect. The series of problem are as follow
1. during installation of CD2, i got installation failure with error messages said some packages cannot install!!!
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Roam,
Thanks again for your suggestion,
"Furthermore one should always Repair Permissions both before doing a Software Update and again afterwards."
I honestly dont know anything about this "Repair Permissions" from the name, i though it is a verification of authentication to repair OS or some kind of credential issue, and since i m admin user then there is no point to verify it, i should be allowed to do so. Again it is my first time to do this thing in 3 - 4 years of using panther, every time i update software i never ever do this! If this step is essential for every update and installation why dont apple put them as one of TODO step during the processes (as licensing agreement) instead of keep them as an option (just my thought) Anyway, I m glad u tell me about it, and i will give it a shot tonight.
"That may because you didn't have sufficient disk space. In fact running out of disk space can create all sorts of problems. Please tell me how disk space is available on your
start up drive."
That what I thought coz i have only 5.x GB left in 60 GB HD. Thats why I claimed as whining and have to scarify the lost of data by reinstall panther in order to get my mac back to work
"So are you saying it is a bug or it is a hacker, I don't believe it is either"
Please see second update info about password, and i m not impose anyone to believe, thats why the topic is a questioning sentence "Is this a bug.."
"This Discussion site is not Applecare. The people here give their time voluntarily to those who are receptive to help."
Thats why i ask for "mac expert" not "apple authority/technician" and always appreciate any suggestion.
Anyway, that great to hear from you and i have learned new thing from your suggestion. I will let u know when i have tried it.

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Welcome to the forums.
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Sorry for bug you people, but now that the waters are calm, i wanna ask a simple cuestion, why 2 proyects for the same task, arch kde and kdemod, same for arch live and chakra.
as user of both i think if all join the efforts, arch could be even better and erase the problems spesific for kde or kdemod, i now... linux is choice, and diferent aproachs(now are very close i think). but, ARCH Linux is one of the finnest distros and unified it, could make ready for be a popular wide users target distro.
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drelyn86 wrote:Maybe the Chakra project should use Arch KDE rather than KDEmod. Then they could spend less time splitting packages, and more time fixing that god-awful Shaman application. I understand their liveCD is still in Alpha testing.
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I have followed every forum's direction and continue to get an error 100 when I load the adobe installer assistant and try to sign in to complete the download of Adobe Pro XI trial.

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I came across this rather worrying article indicating that when Microsoft starts approving hardware for Window 10 machines they may not allow secure boot to be turned off, and thereby make it very difficult for users to install arch on such a machine unless it can be booted using secure boot:
http://arstechnica.com/information-tech … a-reality/
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mcloaked wrote:
mychris wrote:
I've heard the systemd guys are working on integrating secure boot with systemd and gummiboot. So you might be able to sign everything yourself and secureboot your GNU/Linux/Systemd machine.
But currently I don't know anything about it and don't care about it. Like trilby said, if I'm not able to use a specific hardware I will not use it.
Sure I won't buy hardware that I can't install Arch on - but what is a potential problem is if OEMs are forced into only selling locked hardware if they wish to sell it with Windows on it in the future - that would give MS a monopoly position - and for laptops it is not so easy to find hardware that is free of MS apart from a limited range of laptops that have Ubuntu installed when supplied (and of course IOS and chromeos based machines). For desktops it is not too difficult to buy components or barebones systems that you can customise and install whatever you like on - but laptops don't generally fall into that option range. I do have to keep Windows for some tasks that it is close to impossible to do without Windows (like satnav updates for example) though it principle a VM could be used with Windows on it. It is a shame that for this kind of task there isn't a linux alternative that avoids Windows altogether! It would be nice to find barebones laptops that you can install any OS of choice on with none on the machine at the time of purchase.
I know this argument was discussed at length before Secure Boot appeared in the machines that are on the market now - and at the time I thought that the basic principle of not having one O/S manufacturer monopolising the market and excluding other O/Ses had been established and expected to continue along this path - but the news item indicates that a significant departure from that policy may now take place over the next year or two. Giving users the option to disable Secure Boot has no impact on the security of the Windows O/S on a particular machine unless the user actively disables it but that should remain the user's choice. The only reason to lock down the BIOS in this way is to attempt to close off competition to Windows. In a true free market there should be hardware that is not so locked - or at least have as much choice of hardware that is not incumbent on control from MS. There are worries that the BIOS is vulnerable to firmware hacking but that could in principle happen even if the Secure Boot option is designed to have no user control to turn it off. Maybe devices that will re-flash the BIOS with one that does allow Secure Boot will be developed - I seem to remember that some machines are "operated on" during delivery to customers in that kind of way to install firmware components that are not in place at manufacture - so that kind of technology already exists.
It will no doubt be interesting to see how this plays out over the next couple of years.
Edit: I guess if it comes to the crunch that people will start to play with the information such as at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Un … ecure_Boot
I've tried using VB as a PXE client for Arch, and VB keeps blowing up. It's better if you just run it straight.

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