G4 ZIF in G3 PowerMac?
I couldn't find the powermac G3 forum so I guess it'll have to due here.
Anyways I have a powermac G3 and was wondering if it might be worth it to take the processor from of a Yikes! g4 and put it into my G4.
So I have a couple of questions:
Would it me much faster? I ahve a 400Mhz G3 in there now.
Could I still overclock it? I hear that G3's are easily overclocked by modifying the jumper, couldI still do this with the G4?
Thanks for the help.
The G4 enabler software is a free download from here.
http://eshop.macsales.com/Tech/FTP/newertech/BWG4Enabler.sit
The enabler has to be run while booted to OS 9.2.2 or lower (not classic mode in OS X), and while the G3 chip is still in place.
It will not affect the B&W's ability to use a G3, so you could run it and try the G4, and if it doesn't work, you could reinstall the G3.
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I have a B&W Yosemite G3/350,rev 2 board, OS 10.3 & 9.2, the firmware is 1.1.1f4.
I am trying to change the ZIF with a XLR8 G4/450 and am encountering problems.
Trying to upgrade the firmware either with Apple's or XLR8 produces -
"G3 Firmware Updater is for use with the PowerMac G3 only and will not run on this machine" messages,
this happens if Classic is running or not.
XlR8's DropFlash application gives "...not compatible hardware..." error.
Trying to boot with the G4 cpu I get 5 beeps at start up, the same tone as holding the programmers button.
Grateful for any solutions, keeping the G3 is getting closer to being one.
Thanks all.
intel imac 17" Mac OS X (10.4.5) PTP225/G4/450/OS9 - powermac G3/OS9&10Have you tried an Open Firmware reset?
To do that, start up, and as soon as you hear the chime, hold down command, option o and f all at the same time until you get a command line.
Type these in, and hit return at the end of each line.
reset-NVRAM
set-defaults
reset-all
You might get a blinking "?" for up to a minute, and you might need to reset the time and startup disk.
"I did a clean install with the OS 9.1 cd with the "update driver" box checked. Since the 9.1 cd would not boot, I installed without doing so."
Did you do the clean install of OS 9 from "classic mode"?
If so, I don't know if that would update the driver (classic mode does not allow direct hardware access).
In OS X, try opening the terminal and using this command
diskutil list
This should give you a list of the installed drivers.
If the OS 9 driver is installed, you should see all of these.
1: Applepartitionmap 31.5 KB disk0s1
2: Apple_Driver43 28.0 KB disk0s2
3: Apple_Driver43 28.0 KB disk0s3
4: AppleDriverATA 28.0 KB disk0s4
5: AppleDriverATA 28.0 KB disk0s5
6: Apple_FWDriver 256.0 KB disk0s6
7: AppleDriverIOKit 256.0 KB disk0s7
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"a copy of OS 9.1 that is on another partition that will not boot either"
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Since it runs OS 9, I see no way to read "logs" if there are any to begin with, unlike OS X (which I may run one day on this machine).
First, It's a heavily G4 upgraded machine, with it's original 100MHz CPU removed and running a 1GHz G4 now. I've tried many operating systems, from 8.1 to OS 9.2.2 (yes, forced into it). I even tried removing the Radeon 7000 in it, AND the G4, and it'll still do this hard lockup.
Now, when I say hard lockup, mouse cursor won't even move. I had a PowerMac 5500 at one time, that did this very same thing, and under the same random occurrence. I since got rid of that computer cause I got tired of the crashes. But with this 7500, I don't want to get rid of it, because I see it has potential to be a nice computer.
I recorded this Youtube video of it, and it ran fine throughout the video just fine as you can see (with the G4 but onboard video), but what you didn't see, was after the video, when just going on AIM and sending someone a file, it hard locked, yet under the tougher situation of playing internet video via flash, it didn't lockup and did quite well actually. So it's not a stress situation, and no, it doesn't overheat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vm13xQ02tk
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How to upgrade cd drive on PowerMac G3 B&W
i just got a new DVD drive to replace the old cd drive in my PowerMac. How do I take the old one out and replace it with the new one?
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/faq/power-mac-g3-how-to-upgrad e-processor-zif-optical-zip-drive.html#optical
"...Apple declines to provide optical drive replacement instructions for end users, but the not for public distribution service source manuals (if they are still online) for the Desktop, Minitower, All-in-One, and Blue & White models, respectively, may help..."
http://preterhuman.net/texts/computing/Apple_Service_PDF/PowerMac_G3/powermac_g3 _blue.white.pdf
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Debating on parting from my PowerMac 8600/300
Hi all
I know the Apple has unleashed the latest and greatest machines just recently.
I still have my good ol 8600 PowerMac with maxed out ram, graphic apps,drives,etc. and was wondering if I should throw in the towel and sell it or donate it. I kept it because I have my third party plug ins for my graphic apps needs. I hardly use it though.
Your thoughts will be appreciated,
Web dudeThe least expensive Mac-compatible, ATA-133 controller card (Acard AEC-6280M) has consistently been found here. You can even find the slower, Acard AEC-6260M ATA-66 controller card here for $25 USD, but it would have the 128 GB recognition limit for each connected drive. Of course, the price of either card alone (not to mention a large capacity IDE/EIDE hard drive) exceeds the value of an 8600/300. The ATA-133 controller card and its connected drive(s) could always be transferred to a newer computer, having a slower ATA bus. The 8600/300 with its A/V module, extra 5.25" expansion bay (compared to the beige G3 mini-tower), mounting plate on the chassis floor for additional hard drives, large cooling fan in the side panel, and decent 604ev processor with 1 MB inline L2 cache was a very well-designed and capable computer. I replaced the 604ev/300 processor card in one of mine with a G3/266 MHz ZIF processor on a carrier card, and it makes a noticeable difference. Unfortunately, having newer computers to use gradually discourages the use of older (even upgraded) ones. Your life moves on with daily use of the newer computer, so that when you fire up the old one for sentimental reasons, it's a step back in time. You look for a file and realize that it's saved on the newer computer, as you can only find older, saved documents. After connecting to the internet, you look for a browser bookmark, only to realize that it's also saved on the newer computer. As you have to wait a little longer for the slower processor to handle the computing chores, you appreciate the speed boost that the newer computer offers. Eventually, you're less and less inclined to use the older computer, so it sits in storage. When you realize how little you could get by selling an 8600/300 today, one's first inclination is to park it in a closet, rather than give it away for an insultingly low amount. After another year or two, when the dormant computer has no value, you may decide that you need to part with it, simply because it's taking up space. At that point - realistically speaking, nobody will be interested in paying anything for it. You'll end up disposing of it at a computer recycling center, and wonder why you didn't sell or donate it sooner, when someone could have gotten some operational use out of it. Having made the case for disposing of the computer sooner rather than later, I can also understand the point of keeping it, as part of a collection of vintage Macs from each generation made (68K, PowerPC 601/603/604, G3, G4, etc.).
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The problem is that the nFocus page (clock in/out page) is not loading. The internet works fine though. Can anyone help because the tech people are clueless - they are mostly student workers too and most of them don't know anything about Macs.If the Infocus software uses ActiveX for the display, then it won't run on your Mac. It could also be a java incompatibility, etc. It doesn't sound like a network issue.
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Is the computer in you equipment line:
Dual Core Intel Xenon
(which is not a PowerMac but a Mac Pro) the one you are asking about, or do you have an older PowerMac?
If a Mac Pro, their forums are here:
Mac Pro
and, as Mac Pros have a totally different architecture from the pre-2005 Macs this forum covers, you may not have the same issues that can affect the older models. If someone didn't notice your equipment line, you could get advice that doesn't apply.
If you really have a pre-2005 PowerMac, read on.
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I have a PowerMac G4 running ProTools that no longer boots up. All I get is a file folder on the screen with a flashing question mark in it. Ran the Utility disk and all systems passed. Any ideas?
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I have a PowerMac G5 Dual 2.3GHz (early 2005) that has recently started to have issues. It froze a few times in the last week, and then would not boot up again. I dug out the original install disks, and was able to boot and run the Apple Hardware Test. The hardware test revealed a stick of RAM that was giving errors, so I removed the bad memory and it's mate (since they are required to be installed in pairs). Everything was great for a few hours, and then it froze up again. Had to hold the power button to force it to shut down. Once again it would not boot up - either a black screen, or stuck on the gray screen with the Apple Logo on it. Again was able to boot to Hardware Test from the install disk, and ran the Test again. This time it came back with no errors or problems. Ran it several times, all without any errors. I have reset the PMU, unplugged the power cord for several minutes, swapped memory around to different slots, unplugged everything but the monitor, keyboard and mouse, .... all to no avail. The computer will not start up. I tried to use the CD as a boot disk, but it hangs the same as when trying to boot from the hard drive. The only thing it will do is boot into Hardware Test mode (from the install disk), or Firewire Target Disk Mode (fortunately, since I can at least access my data and make some backups).
This computer has been very reliable up to now, and this all came on quite suddenly.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
PowerMac G5 Dual 2.3GHz
1.5GB RAM (after removing 2 512MB sticks that gave errors)
OS 10.4.11Ok, so this has now advanced to the point of being a bit ridiculous.
The nearest Apple store is 45 miles away, but I happened to be in the area over the weekend, so I brought along my G5 for a visit to the Genius Bar. A resident Apple genius hooks it up, powers on, and lo and behold, it boots. What? How is that possible? I have been unable to get past the gray screen for weeks. He mentions that sometimes if you unplug everything, it will help to reset the power management, etc. So I tried to remember, did I leave the keyboard plugged in while it sat in the corner? Dunno, but it certainly booted fine in the store. He then ran the proprietary Apple Diagnostics (very low level testing, much more thorough than the Apple Hardware Test we consumers have access to). Took 30-45 minutes. Came back without so much as a hiccup. Everything checked out perfectly. He could not reproduce any problems at all. Hmm. Well, ok, awesome. It's all good to go!
So, I get home, hook everything back up, and it runs fine. My wife is happy that she has her computer back. It runs for a day or so. Then it locks at the login screen while trying to wake from sleep. The fans ramp up to full speed. Have to hold the power button to shut it down. Restart, everything's fine again... for a few hours. Next morning it is frozen again, and will not progress beyond the gray logo screen. Never gets to the spinning gear. I unhook everything again, wait an hour, and try to boot again. Get a kernel panic. Force restart again, and now is stuck at the gray screen again.
So..... What in the world is going on? All of the hardware has passed Apple's low level testing with no problems, yet it no longer functions. I have a feeling that if I leave it for a week, I will get a few hours use out of it, then it will freeze again.
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How large a hard drive can stock PowerMac MDD take?
It's me again. Great forum -- thanks.
I want to install a 160GB HDD in my PowerMac MDD. Do I need a special PCI controller card or will the onboard controller work for this capacity HDD? Thanks.Interesting little app. -- Coconut Identity Card.
But when it first launched and automatically determined a date and origin, it was way off -- 2005 and China. So, I clicked on the "Custom" tab, and manually (will not let you paste) put the serial number in. Then it gave me a more realistic date and origin -- Nov. 2002 and Sacramento, USA.
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Hey everyone. I've been having some trouble with a Mac in my possession and was hoping for some insight.
Apparently from the first few weeks of use this computer has experienced random lock-ups when running basic programs (Safari, Terminal, iTunes, etc.). It could be sitting idle for a few hours and then freeze, or within the first 2-3 minutes of using Safari, or within a song in iTunes...you get the idea. So I ran through all the regular stuff - checked for and updated system software, looked for firmware updates, and watched the 'top' command from time to time. None of these cleared up the problem. So then I tried a re-install of the OS (originally 10.3.9). This also proved fruitless, as the computer resumed stalling in all the previously mentioned ways. Next, I tried wiping the drive to all zeros and installing OSX 10.4. Once the OS was up, I ran the Software Updater to get all the latest patches. I ran the system for a few minutes in various programs before experiencing yet another freeze. So now I got down to the hardware...
First, I tried running the Apple Hardware Test disc that came with the Mac. I ran a short and long test, both of which passed. I then ran the Long Test on loop for 12.5 hours (12 loops). All passed without incident. The machine stayed running the entire time, never once crashing. Next, I removed the hard drive and zeroed it using a Seagate utility, hoping it was something the Apple software did. Reinstalled, patched...freeze. So I tried a different hard drive in its place. Zeroed it, installed 10.4, patched. Froze again. At this point, I got a bit frustrated. So, I attempted running a Linux PPC LiveCD on the machine. To my surprise, it ran like a champ. I had at least 6 programs running, playing music, browsing the web, running a game, etc. No freezes, no hiccups for 4 hours of use. Booted back into 10.4, and froze within minutes.
So finally, I tried the memory modules. I pulled all four, put them into my PC and ran memtest86. I let this run for about 3.5 hours. No errors reported. So I figured I'd try only plugging so many modules back in, leaving one slot empty. I tried this with all four, with no luck. (Interestingly, when I tried removing the Slot 0 DIMM and starting, the machines power light blinked three times repeatedly. Couldn't get to OSX until I replaced em all and rebooted.)
So, I'm not sure this is a hardware problem, seeing as how Linux PPC ran fine. Although I'm not sure it's not either. Maybe Linux didn't hit a bad segment of memory, processor, etc. I know that probably no one has seen a situation like this, but I've been all over these forums for the past week looking for answers, and coming up short.
Any help you all could provide would be GREATLY appreciated.
Thanks again!
PowerMac G5 1.6GHz Mac OS X (10.4.9) 1.25 GB RAM, 80GB HDDSo I've tried running the AppleJack utils. It completes and asks to have the machine restarted. Upon getting back into OS X I find that the freeze phenomenon is still present. I was hoping that I could pull the memory modules from my PC and try them in the G5, however I've run into a problem there too. I have 2 1GB DDR400 memory modules (matched) in my PC. The Mac uses 4 modules, 2 512MB DDR333 modules and 2 128MB DDR333 modules. They appear to be set up for dual channel operation. I tried removing all 4 DIMMs from the Mac and placing 1 of my 1GB pieces in Slot 0 of the DDR bank. Upon bootup, the power indicator blinks once with a 1-2 delay before a similar blink. Does the machine require a dual channel setup? Is it complaining because the memory config. has changed? Will the Mac's logic board not accept the DDR400 (i.e. not scale back the memory to operate at DDR333)?
This is one of the last ideas I have for this machine. I'm afraid that soon I may have to have someone from Apple diagnose it to find out if it's a logic board / processor issue. In that instance, how has everyone's experience been with them? Do the techs know whats going on, or is it hit-or-miss?
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Can you help me identify which PowerMac G5 I have?
I think it's one of the later models -- if webpages are to be believed -- but I need to be sure before I start getting hardware for it.
Here's the specs from the Hardware Overview in System Profiler:
Machine Model: PowerMac7,3
CPU Type: PowerPC G5 (2.2)
Number of CPUs: 2
CPU Speed: 2 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 1 GHz
Boot ROM version: 5.1.8f7
Serial Number: G84251FKQPR
Feel free to ask for more information if you need it.
I recently received this nice older Mac as a hand-me-down from my father, who bought it on eBay from a university film studio that was upgrading their hardware.
It lacks wireless networking capabilities at the moment, and I'd like to fix that. I need to make sure I get the right kind of AirPort card (or whatever I need) in order to acheive this. I'm not familiar with the PowerMac G5 model, so I could use some advice. Information on the web is a little confusing to me.
I'd also like to know what maximum possible RAM (and what kind) this lovely silver beast can take on.
And I understand that Leopard (not to be confused with Snow Leopard) is the most recent version of the Mac OS X I can install on here. I need to make sure I get the "retail" version, right?
And I'd like to hear what other bells and whistles I can get for it that I'm not already aware of. I want to make a project out of this.
Thanks for your help, my fellow Apple fans!Hello,
It's not a later model, put the Serial# on one of these sites, but don't post the Serial# here...
http://www.chipmunk.nl/klantenservice/applemodel.html
http://www.appleserialnumberinfo.com/Desktop/index.php
Also here it is one of these two, likely the 1st one...
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/stats/powermac_g5_2.0_dp_2.htm l
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/stats/powermac_g5_2.0_dp_pci.h tml
I need to make sure I get the right kind of AirPort card (or whatever I need) in order to acheive this...
While Airport cards & Antennas can be had, I'd recommend one of these that has better range & such...
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/MXP2802NU2C/
If it is indeed the 1st one, 8 RAM slots vs. 4 RAM slots on the later one, the 8 GB, 1 GB per slot on either model...
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/3200DDR2GBP/
I need to make sure I get the "retail" version, right?
Correct, no Gray Intel Machine specific Discs.
Leopard requirements/10.5.x...
* Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) processor
minimum system requirements
* 512MB of memory (I say 1.5GB for PPC at least, 2-3GB minimum for IntelMacs)
* DVD drive for installation
* 9GB of available disk space (I say 30GB at least)
Trouble is Apple no longer sells it, check eBay & such for the Retail version, not the Gray Discs...
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=mac+os+x+leopard+retail+10.5
Other bells & whistles...
SATA cards, PCI Wifi cards, & a few others, like a faster Video card.
See japamacs page here on the best AGP cards for G4s & G5s...
http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Blog/4B4B7BA2-7ABB-47F1-87AC-B03D379 42BEE.html
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Help! how to apply Seagate hard-drive update from DVD drive on G4 Powermac
Short version of story:
Just put Sonnet PCI SATA card in G4 Digital Audio Powermac running Tiger. Have replaced two IDE drives with *Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1 TB hard drive*. It's recognized and working fine. EXCEPT: this is the now infamous drive ST31000340AS that WILL most certainly fail if it does not get the firmware update that Seagate has made available. (These drives are failing like crazy-- Google for info, do not buy!) I have the firmware update on CD as an ISO file (of course Seagate makes nothing that it Mac friendly but this has worked for other Mac users). But when I try to flash the firmware by starting from the CD ("C" key held down), nothing happens. The G4 just goes ahead and starts Tiger 10.4.11. I have also tried holding down "O + F + option + control on start up. I'm not getting anywhere.
Since the drive is functional and it's the only drive in the G4, what am I doing wrong? Help!I just got off the phone with Seagate who say that while my model numbers are the affected drives, my two drives have serial numbers that do NOT need a firmware update. (Yet!)
However, I'm not feeling very lucky. I took these two drives from my Maxtor One Touch III 2 TB external hard-drive because it was failing intermittently-- "now you see me, now you don't." Not very good for a backup drive! But Maxtor/Seagate is providing nothing for Maxtor One Touch III owners under warranty but another refurbished (as in previously failed) Maxtor One Touch III and asking hundreds of dollar$ for data recovery. There is not even a firmware update at this point. People should be avoiding Seagate Barracuda drives (these used to be the best of the best, but not now) or at least researching them *very thoroughly* before buying.
I guess, the good news is that I don't have to struggle with getting a firmware update to work on my PowerMac. Though thanks to you both I will know what to do if these drives eventually do need a firmware update. The other good news is that I got all my data back by pulling the drives from their enclosure which apparently causes overheating. I violated my warranty, pulled the drives, and got all my data back.
At the moment both of my Barracuda drives are happily purring away in my PowerMac G4 giving that old baby 2 Tb to play with. (I use iPartition so getting the drives recognized on the G4 isn't a problem.) And since I have my new iMac 3.06ghz 24" with all my data backup on WD external drives, I will only use the G4 networked for extra storage (backup for my backup). (I am also using Disk Warrior and Data Rescue II to keep an eye on these drives.)
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How to update Seagate hard drive firmware from DVD drive in G4 Powermac DA
Posted earlier in wrong forum. Apologies if you see this twice.
Short version of story:
Just put Sonnet PCI SATA card in G4 Digital Audio Powermac running Tiger. Have replaced two IDE drives with Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1 TB hard drive. It's recognized and working fine. EXCEPT: this is the now infamous drive ST31000340AS that WILL most certainly fail if it does not get the firmware update that Seagate has made available. (These drives are failing like crazy-- Google for info, do not buy!) I have the firmware update on CD as an ISO file (of course Seagate makes nothing that it Mac friendly but this has worked for other Mac users). But when I try to flash the firmware by starting from the CD ("C" key held down), nothing happens. The G4 just goes ahead and starts Tiger 10.4.11. I have also tried holding down "O + F + option + control on start up. I'm not getting anywhere.
Since the drive is functional and it's the only drive in the G4, what am I doing wrong? Help!This is dated January 21st, so I hope it's been updated...
http://forums.seagate.com/stx/board/message?board.id=ata_drives&message.id=5692
Also, I found this:
MOST IMPORTANT - If you have a reasonable suspicion that you may have an affected drive - do not power the unit off - make fresh backups immediately. The power-on process is what triggers the failure.
Quoted from http://thedambook.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=e2542559aab0b513be11ac48f7ec3a49&a ction=printpage;topic=3887.0
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Powermac crashes when playing games
Hi. I've got a problem with my Powermac G4 (Dual 450MHz).
Everytime I play a game (Quake 3 or Redline for example) the mac crashes sooner or later and I need to reboot. I've checked RAM, fixed HD permissions, fixed the HDs and cleared all cache. The mac has a stock ATI Rage128 Pro and 640 MB RAM. My mac crashes only when playing games, never when in "normal use".Hi
It may be worth just checking the ventilation holes in the case aren't clogged with dust etc and the case fan is still spinning okay. If games are the only time you 'stress' the processors (e.g. you don't also use it for DVD encoding etc), perhaps it's a heat issue. You could try temporarily using it with the case open to see whether it makes any difference, which would also allow you to check the fan(s). It seems unlikely but it may be worth a shot.
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