General Airport Extreme questions

I have some general questions regarding the dual band technology and how it relates to my specific setup. A bit of background:
I have 20Mbps cable internet and I am running the new Airport Extreme on a pc running XP to broadcast my wireless signal. I have an iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and iPad. I also have an Airport Express that I use in bridge mode so that I can connect my PS3 in a wired fashion.
My questions:
-How do wireless networks work when you have both "g" and "n" devices? (which I do)
Does the router send out simultaneously a 2.4 and 5.0 signal for each capable device to pick up? Do the g devices pick up the 2.4 signal while the n devices pick up the 5.0? Or do all devices pick up the 2.4 signal since there are non "n" rated devices on the network? I have read many conflicting ideas on this.
- I have spoken with multiple Apple customer service people and have gotten differing advice on how to improve my devices' connectivity to the network as I have been experiencing unacceptable levels of interference on all devices.
One rep reccomended that in the Airport Utilities, under wireless options that I check the 5GHz box to setup a seperate 5GHZ network for the n devices. Another rep dismissed this idea.
Does creating this new 5.0 network keep the network signal from being bumped down to "g" speeds when "g" rated devices are connected?
How am I to better off setting my networks up so that my n devices as well as my g devices get the best performance and connectivity?
-I use an Airport Express in bridge mode with my PS3 and it seems to be helping my connections speeds. When I was connected wirelessly, the speeds would either be non-existent or unacceptable. I know the PS3 has a "g" antenna. I have the airport express connected to the 5.0ghz wireless network in Airport Utilities. Am I actally now connecting to the 5.0ghz signal and converting to the PS3 at higher bandwidth then I would be otherwise if I was connected to the 2.4ghz wireless signal?
I appologize for the longwinded post.
Any insight I will be most appreciated as I am banging my head against the wall here.
Scott

The default setup for the AirPort Extreme provides a dual band wireless network with a Radio Mode that looks like this:
802.11a/n --- 802.11n/g/b
The 5 GHz band is on the left and the 2.4 GHz is on the right of the --- dashes
Also as a default, the same wireless network name is used for both bands. The theory here is that any device will automatically connect to the best signal quality. This works great for older "g" devices because they can only connect to the 2.4 GHz band, so you know where they will be at all times. You never need to be concerned about a "g" device slowing down a faster "n" device on the 5 GHz band because the "g" device cannot even connect to the 5 GHz band.
But note that newer "n" devices can connect to either the 5 GHz band or the 2.4 GHz band. So, it's possible that you may have a "n" device and a "g" device on the 2.4 GHz band and the "n" connection will slow a bit if the "g" device is really active.
It gets a bit more complicated if you have a new iPhone, which can connect at "n" speeds, but only to the 2.4 GHz band. The new iPad can connect to either 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz.
Most users are better off if they leave the settings as recommended on the AirPort Extreme. That's because each device will connect to the band with the best available signal quality. Isn't that what you really want?
If you will concentrate on signal quality, which is a combination of signal strength and low noise, you'll be fine.
Most problems arise when users think that they want to connect to the 5 GHz band because the speeds can be faster there. So, they assign a separate name to the 5 GHz network and then "point" their computer at that band. The potential issue with doing this is that 5 GHz signals are much weaker than 2.4 GHz signals.
So, if the computer is several rooms away and you have "forced" it to connect to 5 GHz, you are likely telling it to connect to a signal that is both +weaker and slower+ than the 2.4 GHz signal at that location. The signal always slows down as it moves further from the router or encounters obstructions.
As I said, most users will do well to use the default settings and let each device find the best connection automatically. With a mix of a number of devices, you'll never be able to find the single "perfect" setting. With wireless, there are always compromises. No way to avoid that, I'm afraid.

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    Hello,
    My nephew has a G4 desktop, 466 MHz processor that he bought an airport card for. The store selling it sold him an extreme card, saying that that was the correct one for his Mac. That was months ago and it's never worked. In fact every time he boots up the Mac with the card installed, he gets a series of flashing icons before seeing the calming gray apple start up screen.
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    I know nothing about airport cards. But I have looked in this apple forum before and have been amazed at how helpful everyone is. I came across some documentation saying that the Extreme card is good for only one kind of G4 - that with a FW 800. I am guessing that nephew's mac does not have FW800 since the processor is not very speedy. And the other posts I've read said that using such a card can harm the computer if it's in the wrong one.
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    lastcall26, Welcome to the discussion area!
    ...I am guessing that nephew's mac does not have FW800 since the processor is not very speedy...
    You are correct. Your nephew's G4 466 MHz is NOT compatible with the AirPort Extreme card. That G4 requires the original AirPort card.
    And the other posts I've read said that using such a card can harm the computer if it's in the wrong one.
    That is also true.
    I don't know if my nephew's also bought the adapter that you have to manually install in the computer.
    There is no adapter.
    Can someone please advise me on how to stop this series of flashes...
    Open the Startup Disk preference pane and ensure that the correct OS X system is selected as the startup folder.
    ...and how to determine and fix if necessary any damage done to the computer?
    (a) Run the tests form the Apple Hardware Test disc that came with that Mac.
    (b) Install an original AirPort card and see if it works.

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    I went to Starbucks this morning and my Wi-Fi on my Verizon Iphone connected, what does this allow me to do?
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    My Wi-Fi does not recognize my home network from which I connect wirelessly to my MacBookPro and to my Apple TV using Airport Extreme router, why?
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