Group Formula

Hi
The input parameter is hire_year and i have to generate a report for hire_year and (hire_year)-1. i have to disply some % of sal.
i am getting problem to generate a report based on hire_year group. where i have to do all calculations.

Hi,
One obvious way to do it is to change your query such that all information appears in Q1. Eg, instead of saying "select * from employees" and "select * from departments" in separate queries, you could say "select employees.empID, departments.depNo...... from employees, departments". In this case all the fields are in a single query and thus you will not get the error in your formula. You might want to take a look at nested subqueries too (http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/cd/B10501_01/server.920/a96540/queries8.htm)
The other way is to have 2 separate queries (eg, "select * from employees" and "select * from departments"), and then, in Reports Editor > Data Model, you create a data link between the two queries. In this case, you can use fields from the first query (eg, you can use employees.salary in a formula in the departments query), but it is upto you to make sure that while using the formula and while displaying it in the Report layout, the frequency is compatible/consistent.
Navneet.

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Crystal Report Grouping Formula

Experts,
In Crystal repot how can we have Grouping formula basis, i.e
there are two coulmns
1. GRPO Doc No
2. GRPO Doc No (Has GRNA)
now if column 2 has value it should do grouping with this or
if column 1 has value then grouping should be done on col1.
Now i have put one field on other in one single Column, so if GRPO Doc No is present it shows value or vice versa

Hi,
Insert Group in crystal reports for
1. GRPO Doc No
2. GRPO Doc No (Has GRNA)
Then supress the groups1 when GRPO Doc No is blank and silarly for other.
it will resolve the issue.
Thanks,
Neetu

Running Total Grouping Formula

I have a running total condition that I need to summarize the field CAWP.BAC. I would typicaly evaluate this total for change of group 4 and reset on change of group 3. I need to condition the evaluation for ".900" in {CAWP.WP} but i also need to evaluate for change of group 4. Does any one have any examples of a formula for evaluation "on change of group"?

Hi John,
    For this you can try using manual running total formula's.
1) Create a @reset formula as below and place it in group header 3.
    Formula :
    Whileprintingrecords;
    Numbervar i:=0;
2) Create an @evaluation formula and place it in detail section.
   Formula:
   whileprintingrecords;
   numbervar i;
   if {CAWP.WP} = ".900" then
      i:= i+ {CAWP.BAC}
3) Create a @display formula and place it in group footer 4.
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    whileprintingrecords;
    numbervar i;
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Regards,
Vinay

Grouping formula

Hi,
Is it possible to group records within range? I have to group record for a range of dates (start day + x days). When I tried to make a formula and then group on that formula I got error that returning value cannot be range. I tried few constructions, but none worked eg.: to DateAdd("d",-5, )
Any idea how to accomplish that?
Greetings,

I agree with Sean. Just remember that your formula has to return a single discreet value as the result. It cannot return a range.
select {table.date}
case currentdate to currentdate - 5 : "Less Than 5 Days Ago"
case currentdate - 6 to currentdate - 15 : "6 to 15 Days Ago"
case currentdate - 16 to currentdate - 30 : "16 to 30 Days Ago"
default : "More Than 30 Days Ago"

Group Formula Help

Post Author: dmface15
CA Forum: Crystal Reports
I have a report that identifies employees and what taxes that employee pays. For example,
John Doe
OASDI           $2500
Medicare        $625
Jane Doe
Medicare       $1750
Michael Smith
OASDI          $1630
Medicare       $783
The report is grouped by Employee name and tax code. The reason for grouping by tax code is because the tabale i am using to get tax code has records for each pay check the employee has received. Here is the problem. I need to create a report that will give me all employees who pay Medicare AND OASDI, all employees who pay ONLY Medicare. Therefore, when I run the report for employees who pay Medicare AND OASDI I should only see Michael Smith and John Doe. If i run the report for all employees who pay ONLY Medicare I should see only Jane Doe. Right now, I am having trouble with creating a formula whether it by group selection or record selection. Can anyone help me out? I would appreciate it. Thanks.

Post Author: kcheeb
CA Forum: Crystal Reports
Have you tried suppressing the group and detail sections based on the report type and count of tax code records? Assuming There are no people with only OASDI tax codes.
The other option would be to use sql to return you only Medicare people or OASDI & Medicare people.

Special group formula

I've got the need to create a group based on certain criteria. I have a series of varying item lists in my QuickBooks item table. They all have different names and have a certain structure to them. There are about 50 that have the following type name: F6112-PT-6001 where all the letters and number stay the same except for the last 4 which go up in increments of 1. Ex. F6112-PT-6002.
What I need is the ability to 1) search in the item name for the value F6112-PT and 2) if it exists strip the last 4 digits off the right, 6001 and use that as the group name.
I know how to do this type of stuff in Excel and SQL but not Crystal Reports. Any ideas?
Regards,
Derek Caldwell

Hi Derek
Create a formula field to strip the last 4 digits off the right, 6001.
Use Right function (search for the syntax in Crystal Help) to do this.
Now apply a group on this formula field.
Hope this helps!!!
Regards
Sourashree

Grouping Formula Issue

Hello,
I am stumped. I have a report that has 3 groupings on it:
Group1
Group2
Group3
In group3 footer I have a formula
global StringVar St;
select {vw_NEW_ITEMS.POS_FLAGS}
    case 1:
        if {vw_NEW_ITEMS.TAX_1} = 1 then
            St := St + "A"
        else
    case 2:
        if {vw_NEW_ITEMS.TAX_1} = 1 then
            St := St + "G"
        else
    case 3:
        if {vw_NEW_ITEMS.TAX_1} = 1 then
            St := St + "N"
        else
    case 4:
        if {vw_NEW_ITEMS.TAX_1} = 1 then
            St := St + "S"
        else
    case 5:
        if {vw_NEW_ITEMS.TAX_1} = 1 then
            St := St + "T"
        else
    case 6:
        if {vw_NEW_ITEMS.TAX_1} = 1 then
            St := St + "V"
        else
This 'should' display
AGNSTV if tax_1 is 1 - for the first record it does.
But, for each new group3, it repeats - e.g.
AGNSTVAGNSTV
AGNSTVAGNSTVAGNSTV
AGNSTVAGNSTVAGNSTVAGNSTV
etc...
I created another formula and placed it in group3 header like this so the attempt was to "reset" my variable "St"
Global StringVar St;
    St := "";
It doesn't work. How can I fix this? I have tried about everything.
Thank you.

Hello,
you can try following two things:-
1)make your reset formula readtime as follows:
       Whiereadingrecords;
       Global StringVar St;
       St := "";
2)change each case from
        case x:
        if {vw_NEW_ITEMS.TAX_1} = x then
        St := St + "<character>"
        else
to
        case x:
        if {vw_NEW_ITEMS.TAX_1} = x then
        St + "<character>"
        else
Thanks,
Shantanu

Crystal report 2011 - Suppress formula?

I'm not new to Crystal reports 2011, but I am new to this forum. Excuse me if my question is already answered in another discussion thread, but I've searched the forum, but could not find an answer easily.
In my report I need to total the amount per day per security. If one of the totals per day have a negative amount, my report should show all dates for that security.
To make it more clear to you I've put in two examples
Example 1:
From date      PfGrp        Por         Security      ISIN          Custody     Amount
15-1-2015      aaa           por_a      Sec01        123456      Cust01      5000
15-1-2015      aaa           por_b      Sec01        123456      Cust02      -6000
16-1-2015      aaa           por_a      Sec01        123456      Cust01       5000
16-1-2015      aaa           por_b      Sec01        123456      Cust02       1000
17-1-2015      aaa           por_a      Sec01        123456      Cust01       2000
17-1-2015      aaa           por_b      Sec01        123456      Cust02       1000
Expected output:
From date      PfGrp        Por         Security      ISIN          Custody     Amount
15-1-2015      aaa                          Sec01        123456                         -1000
16-1-2015      aaa                          Sec01        123456                          6000
17-1-2015      aaa                          Sec01        123456                          3000
Output expected because the total amount on 15-1-2015 is negative. Because of this negative total amount the other dates have to be shown as well.(although they are positive)
Example 2:
From date      PfGrp        Por         Security      ISIN          Custody     Amount
15-1-2015      aaa           por_a      Sec01        123456      Cust01       5000
15-1-2015      aaa           por_b      Sec01        123456      Cust02       6000
16-1-2015      aaa           por_a      Sec01        123456      Cust01       5000
16-1-2015      aaa           por_b      Sec01        123456      Cust02       1000
17-1-2015      aaa           por_a      Sec01        123456      Cust01       2000
17-1-2015      aaa           por_b      Sec01        123456      Cust02      -1000
No output expected because all the totals per day are positive.
Regards, Peter.

Hi Peter,
Try this please:
1) Save the existing report with a new name. You should now have two copies of the same report - let's call them A and B.
2) Open Report A.
3) Insert a Group on the Security Field first and then on the Date field. Set the Date Field to 'Print for Each Day'.
4) Create a formula (@Groups) with this code and place this on Group Header #2:
WhilePrintingRecords;
stringvar groups;
If Sum ({Amount}, {Date}) < 0 then
    If Instr(groups,{Security}) = 0 then
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groups;
5) Suppress all sections of this report except the Report Footer.
6) Go ahead and Insert a Subreport. In the Insert Subreport dialog box, browse to the Report B and place it on the Report Footer.
7) Edit the Subreport so that it has the same groups as the Main Report (or Report A)
8) Right-click the Subreport > Change Subreport Links > Move the @Groups formula to the Pane on the right > Uncheck the option 'Select data in Subreport based on Field' > Click OK.
9) Get inside the Subreport > Click the Report Option > Selection Formulas > Record and use this code:
Not({Security} IN Split({?Pm-@Groups},","))
IF you have some existing selection formula in there, then you would need to add this condition with an AND clause.
Hope this helps.
The reason we have to add a Subreport is because you're trying to suppress a higher group based on a summary that appears on a lower group.
If you're reporting off of tables, you should be able to use a SQL Expression Field to display the summary for Group #2 and use this summary to suppress the higher section based on another logic!
-Abhilash

Improving performance while adding groups

Hello,
I've been monitoring my crystal reports from a week or so and the report performance is going for a toss. I would like to narrate this in little detail. I have created 3 groups to select dynamic parameters and each group has a formula for itself. In my parameters I have added one parameter with 7 entities (which is hard coded), now a user can select any 3 entity out of those seven when initiallly refreshing the document, each of the parameter entity is bundeled in a conditional formula (mentioned under formula fields) for each entity. The user may select any entity and may get the respective data for that entity.
For all this i have created 3 groups and same formula is pasted under all the 3 groups. I have then made the formula group to be selected under Group expert. The report works fine and yields me correct data. However, during the grouping of the formula's crystal selects all the database tables from the database field as these tables are mentioned under the group formula. Agreed all fine.
But when I run the report the "Show SQL query" selects all the database tables under Select clause which should not be the case. Due to this even if i have selected an entity which has got only 48 to 50 records, crystal tends to select all the 16,56,053 records from the database fields which is hampering the crystal performance big time. When I run the same query in SQL it retrives the data in just 8 seconds but as crystal selecting all the records gives me data after 90 seconds which is frustrating for the user.
Please suggest me a workaround for this. Please help.
Thank you.

Hi,
I suspect the problem isn't necessarily just your grouping but with your Record Selection Formula as well. If you do not see a complete Where clause is because your Record Selection Formula is too complicated for Crystal to translate to SQL.
The same would be said for your grouping. There are two suggestions I can offer:
1) Instead of linking the tables in Crystal, use a SQL Command and generate your query in SQL directly. You can use parameters and at the very least, get a working WHERE clause.
2) Create a Stored Procedure or view that can use the logic you need to retrieve the records.
At the very least you want to be able to streamline the query to improve performance. Grouping may not be possible but my guess it's more with the Selection formula than the grouping.
Good luck,
Brian

I need to display records in multiple groups

I am extracting data for a summary report. Based on the Group formula below, 2 records fit into 2 different groups but will only display in one group.
if {Original100_GeneralInfo.100 Code} = "A" THEN "Projects Added to the Original 100" else
if {Original100_GeneralInfo.100 Code} = "C" THEN "Projects Combined with Other Projects" else
if {Original100_GeneralInfo.100 Code} = "S" THEN "Projects Split into Other Sub-Projects" else
if {Original100_GeneralInfo.100 Code} in ["S", "A", "C", "Y"] AND {@CurrentPhase} = "Pre-Design" THEN "Original 100 in Pre-Design Phase"
RESULTS: 2 records contain the required "100 Code" AND "@CurrentPhase" but only display in the top 3 groups and not also in the last group. This is an inserted sub-report so the main report count on the "@CurrentPhase" field is 7 but this sub-report only displays 5 records. What am I missing?

hi Sherman,
when you have an if then else statement, once a condition is met then the formula exits. that's why the records won't show up in both cases.
also, a record from a database can only show up in one group by default. you'd need to duplicate records in sql in order to have what was once one record show up in two groups. this is possible by adding a Command object that is a UNION ALL but you'd need to dive into some sql for that.
if you don't want to go the sql route, what you can do in cases like this if you're simply wishing to display a table is to use cross-tabs. in your case you can create 2 cross-tabs, one for the A, C, S selections and another for SorAorCorYandCurrentPhase.
steps
1) create a new formula called s1 with this syntax
if {Original100_GeneralInfo.100 Code} = "A" THEN "Projects Added to the Original 100" else
if {Original100_GeneralInfo.100 Code} = "C" THEN "Projects Combined with Other Projects" else
if {Original100_GeneralInfo.100 Code} = "S" THEN "Projects Split into Other Sub-Projects"
2) insert a cross-tab and use s1 as the Row
3) add the required fields to the summaries
4) you can format the cross-tab in the cross-tab expert tabs so that you can get things like no grid, no cell margins, horizontal summaries, etc.
5) copy and paste your cross-tab to a new section below the existing one
6) create another fomrula with this syntax
if {Original100_GeneralInfo.100 Code} in ["S", "A", "C", "Y"] AND {@CurrentPhase} = "Pre-Design" THEN "Original 100 in Pre-Design Phase"
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8) in your cross-tabs, you may have one blank row representing values that don't fit into the above categories. you can suppress those based on the blank value. if you do pursue this route let me know and send a screenshot of the cross-tab in design mode once it's done.

Consolidation Rules Formulas

Dear Expert,
When I saw the consolidation example in Appshell Appset and I review the business rule "Consolidation Rules Formulas". That business rule contains the fields like as: Rule ID, Entity Method, Intco Method, All Formula, Group Formula, Minority Formula, and Remark. I just know that the field "Entity Method" and "Intco Method" contains the method code from the business rule "Consolidation Methods".
I have the questions like as:
1. We can input the field "Entity Method" and "Intco Method" only one code or the sequence of code in the business rule "Consolidation Rules Formulas". What is the different that we input one code with the several code ?
2. What is the uses of the field "All Formula", "Group Formula", "Minority Formula" ?
Thank you very much for your answer and I really appreciate it.
Best Regards,

I am very hesitant to agree that merging the Method Based Multipliers will give the same result as keeping them separate, in the IFRS starter kit.
As an example, how will you be able to develop an Elimination and Adjustment Rule that targets Newly Acquired companies and differentiate them from existing companies, in addition to treatment of mergers.
These methods (Leaving, Merger, Step Acquisition, Newly Acquired Purchase and Newly Acquired Equity) are distinguished in the method ID, then grouped through Method Based Multipliers. NOT for the purpose of the equation only (ALL FORMULA, GROUP and MINORITY), but also since the Elimination and Adjustment Rule does not have an Entity Field or Method Field, it has METHOD Multiplier.
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Line three addresses newly acquired companies, leaving and so on with existing companies. and line four, newly acquired, leaving, ect... with newly acquired, leaving, ect...
Now the question is, how will you develop an elimination and adjustment rule that targets newly acquired companies, moves the data from F00 to F01, under the Audit_ID INPUT11, for the consoscope and the same month, then conduct the elimination. Or divested to be moved to F98, in addition to other flow/AUDIT_ID treatment. These are different than Existing companies that will not need to be moved from F00 to F01....
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All but leaving, divested Interco
Newly Divested
Step Acquisition
Step Divestment
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I'm trying to view chinese characters which are stored in UTF-8 unicode in the database. I have all the necessary fonts loaded on my machine and the correct NLS_LANG settings.
I can see western characters, arabic, russian, greek OK in the data-grid, but not chinese or other far-eastern languages. Instead I see little squares instead of the symbols.
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i would create a standard report.
i presume the air pressure and humidity are from one field? if not create a formula to display that.
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2- time
3- ref-measure- error
not sure if they are the same field or different.
you can then place your data in the groups (formulas calcs etc)
then underlay the groups so they appear on the same line
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Legal Consol: Received CSD Errors when running SPRUNCONSO

Hi All,
I configured Legal Consol application under BPC 7.0 MS and I've below error message when running SPRUNCONSO:
Warning : Nothing Extract From Ownership for OPENING Period
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ERROR CSD-135 Problem Extracting data : C_FINANCE
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ERROR CSD-160 Problem extracting Data : C_CONSO
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Liam

Hi,
I think there is a syntax problem in your SPRUNCONSO call. GROUPS_SET variable is missing. The syntax should be like this:
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In addition, not sure if it's a typo problem or not, but it seems that your call for the SPRUNCONVERSION is also wrong. Some variables are also missing:
*RUN_STORED_PROCEDURE=SPRUNCONVERSION([%APP%],[%CATEGORY_SET%],[%CURRENCY_SET%],[GLOBAL],[%SCOPETABLE%],[%LOGTABLE%])
Then, for all the error codes, you can get rid of those one using the ON_ERROR_CONTINUE, at the end of the line.
Normally, those kind of error message are generic, and informed the user that there is actually no records that should be the source of the SPRUNCONSO stored procedure.
Hope this will help you.
Kind Regards,
Patrick

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we have a condition (Freight) that is a surcharge entered as a percentage. If the condition is 10%, we would like the calcualtion 10% of net value at the header level and then distribute the amount to the line items distributed by weight or volume.
We tried using the alternate condition base value formula, but then the calculation is the product of surcharge percentage multiplied by either the weight and volume instead of the net value. Is it possible to do the calculation as defined?
example we would like to occur:
net value 1000, percentage 10% total value of condition is 100
line item 1 volume 70 - condition value is 70
line item 2 volume 30 - condition value is 30
what is happending using alternate condition base formula of volume:
net value 1000 percentage condition value is 1 (100* 1) from total volume
line item 1 volume 70 - condition value is .7
line item 2 volume 30 - condition value is .3
thanks for all help.

you do not need any alt cond base value.
In the condition type defintion of your freight condition ( T Code V/06) in the defintion, under the scales section , for "Scale Basis" use F - Volume based.
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When you create the condition record using VK11, mainatin the scales as per the requirement
For example say from 0 to 1000 - 10% / From 1001 till....... 15%....so on
Process order and check the results. Please post if you have any further error.
Regards
Sai

Cross tab reporting in Crystal 8.5

Post Author: KPetrey
CA Forum: General
I am trying to create a cross tab report for some data that will have varying number of columns.I am running into a problem where some situations are producing 25 or more columns. This results in the crossing over to a second page.My end-users are going to dislike this very much. I am trying to duplicate a report they had with their previous software system and it did not cross pages. All data stayed on one page. My questions are as follows:Is there a way to make the cross tab wrap so that data does not cross to second page?Is there a different way to do what I need other than cross tab?What I am trying to do is list a column for each store that will show the qty of a product that is ordered for it....the number of stores will vary depending on my end-users setup. Any help would be greatly appreciated.Thanks

Post Author: wapper
CA Forum: General
Crosstab is designed to grow wide-wise if the number of columns increases. How can you avoid splitting pages if the number of columns will reach, for example, 50?
You should probably first make a decision, whether your report must be fixed-column or variable-column. If you stick to fix-column, you can design the report to accommodate theoretical maximum of columns, and imitate dynamic columns by using groups, formulas and hiding columns not in use at run time. Pain in the a** with 25+ columns but still doable. Drawback - if actual data will exceed the maximum number of columns, you are out of luck. Or you could stay with crosstab to keep support for variable number of columns, using small font and "Show Cell Margins" option to squeeze as many columns as is actually possible before falling over to the second page. I would prefer the latter if you ask me.
Wapper

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