"Group Policy Service & Permission Problems" I Will Never Buy Microsoft Windows Computers Again..

 I am trying to get some last bit of use out of my Worthless Microsoft Windows Software.. I have spent more time attempting to make this worthless  junk work, than I ever get using the computer for what it is designed for.. Both My Windows 7 Pro,
and my Windows 8.1 are the worst products Microsoft has come out with ever.. I started out using Punch Card Machines, in the 70's that worked better than the junk Microsoft is selling us today.. The last 13 computers I have purchased with Windows software
are all in the dumpster. Their tech support is worthless, and half the time you get sent from one phone number to another, and no one knows anything.. I have purchased two sets of software from Microsoft store that have turned out to be Non-Genuine, I paid
full price for, have receipts of sales, dates, validation key numbers, and still spend three days in a row trying to explain to the other end that my software they sold me is shit, and no one understands.. And on top of that will not give me a e-mail address
to send them a copy of the proof of purchase to them for my file, and to prove to them they are selling shit, and they will not  give me a  address to send them their problems plagued software..  I have three sets of software that i downloaded,
and had disk sent as backups that have bad validation keys, and Microsoft will not honer their sales, and will not give me keys that work.. 
If it dose finally work, I can not get the "Diagnostic Policy Service" to start, this online troubleshooting will not  work, never has worked  on windows 8, nor have I ever had any sound on the same computer, nor has my Windows Media
Player ever worked either.. Both Win 7 Pro, and Win 8.1 Group Policy will not let me download anything on the C-drive that can possibly repair what is wrong with the Crap at hand, Their my computers, but I have no permission to do a goddamn thing to repair
what is wrong with it,,I do not want to read another fucking article on tech shit, I want to know how to delete "Group Policy" from every machine I have, because its only purpose I see it to keep me from using my machine , and forcing me to have
to sit on hold and listen to those idiots on the other end just say its another 99 bucks to fix something that I have already given them 99 bucks several times before to fix nothing.. WTF, I was never a fan of Bill Gates, but today he looks like a genius compared
to who/what is working there today.. Dose this happen to everyone, or am I just jinxed? Can someone give me a patch or something besides another article to make this shit work..  Thanks, Barnstormer2790

Wouldn't think anyone wants to help you at all with that attitude - Microsoft products work just great for me.
perhaps you should look closer to home for the issues you have!! Im Out!!!!

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    SSR wrote:
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    SSR wrote:
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