Never buying another Creative product again

To anyone at Creative who might be reading this,
I recently submitted the following question to Creative email support: "When do you plan on releasing updated drivers for the Audigy 2 line which will support Vista and be compatable with the Service Pack installation? (The lack of up to date drivers currently prohibitsupgrading to SP according to Microsoft) Thank you."
In return, I received the email below. As a long time supporter of your company, I'd like your team at Creative to know that this canned, non-reply pretty much guarantees that I will never buy another Creative product again. The notion that a simple email query can't be answered if it's more than a year after the purchase date is laughable. Especially when it's related to your company failing to keep up to date with the roll-out of one of the most common operating systems in the world.
Thank you for so clearly indicating the little regard with which you hold your customers.
----- Original Message ----
From: Creative Americas Customer Support < [email protected]>
Dear _,
Thank you for contacting Creative Labs regarding your Audigy 2 Platinum.
From the detailed description provided; I understand you wanted to know
when will updated drivers for Audigy 2 be release so that it can support
Windows Vista. I would like to apologize that you have to go through
this issue on your sound card.
However, based upon your product's date of purchase 27/4/2003, it
appears you're beyond the complementary telephone (60 days) and e-mail
( year) support period.
If you are covered under a Creative Care Protection Plan (CCPP) and are
within the warranty and service coverage of your plan, please reply back
with the e-mail address the plan was purchased under, as well as your
CCPP order and reference number.
If you are beyond your complimentary support period and not covered by a
Creative Care Protection Plan, there are helpful support options that
are still available to you.
. You may take advantage of our free web support services by visiting
www.**bleep**.com to access the following resources:
Knowledge Base of expert solutions, frequently asked questions, and
reference material
Download drivers and application updates
Auto update will automatically detect and download the latest updates
for you (not available for all products)
Product documentation
Tutorials
User-to-user customer discussion forums
2. You can purchase a Creative Tutor session to receive expert help and
advice from a Technical Advisor by phone. Each Creative Tutor session
is only $2.99 and covers one support issue for up to 30 minutes. To
start, simply call -405-707-8777 Monday through Friday from 9AM until
6PM Central Time. Please have your credit card ready when calling.
3. If you believe you product is in need of repair and wish to simply
pay for an out of warranty repair, you're welcome to reply to this
message to request an out of warranty repair. Simply confirm your
product's name, model number, serial number and an advisor will provide
you with a repair quote and instructions on how to safely ship your
product to Creative.
4. You may utilize 3rd party on-line forums and discussion groups that
can be found using on-line search engines.
However, you may want to download and install the updated driver and
software applications from our download site which is more compatible
with your Windows Vista.
DOWNLOAD LINK: http://us.creative.com//support/downloads/
-Select ?Product Type? + ?Product Categories? + ?Product Name?, once you
have select your product option, select the ?file type? + ? Language? +
? Operating system?.
If you would like to search for additional solutions and for future
references, you can search through our Knowledge Base website, http://us.creative.com/support/kb.
Again, I apologize for the complications that you have experienced and I
understand where you're coming from. Meanwhile, you might want to take
advantage of our products and accessories.
Bring out the vibrancy in your entire music playback with the Creative
Aurvana Live! Headphones. Lightweight and ergonomically designed, the
Aurvana Live! is perfect for listening to music on the move or for your
home entertainment use. Constructed with revolutionary driver technology
and in-depth acoustic tuning, it deli'vers a natural and faithful audio
presentation akin to a li've performance. Sharp transients and dynamic
passages are handled with effortless finesse. For realistic music
listening, look to the Aurvana Li've! today.
For more information regarding our accessories please refer to this
link:
http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp
Thank you for choosing Creative Labs.
Sincerely,
**removed**
Technical Support
Creative Labs Americas
Original Message Follows:
==================================
Subject: CLI - Technical Support Request - (Audigy 2 Platinum)
Self Description: Advanced PC User
Region: Americas
Country: United States of America
Support Inquiry: ID(5) I need help with a third-party software
application
Product: Audigy 2 Platinum
CCPP Certificate Number:
Serial Number:
Purchase Date: 27/4/2003
Operating System: Windows Vista 32-bit
Creative Model Number:
Computer Brand/Model:
Processor/CPU:
Memory:
BIOS Type/Revision:
System Board/Chipset:
Detailed Problem Description:
When do you plan on releasing updated drivers for the Audigy 2 line
which will support Vista and be compatable with the Service Pack
installation? (The lack of up to date drivers currently prohibits
upgrading to SP according to Microsoft) Thank you.
==================================
*Please remove the names of our email advisors per the forum rules. Dale-CL
Message Edited by Dale-CL on <span class='local-date'> 03-26-2008<span class='local-time'> 2:0 PM To anyone at Creative who might be reading this,
I recently submitted the following question to Creative email support: "When do you plan on releasing updated drivers for the Audigy 2 line which will support Vista and be compatable with the Service Pack installation? (The lack of up to date drivers currently prohibitsupgrading to SP according to Microsoft) Thank you."
In return, I received the email below. As a long time supporter of your company, I'd like your team at Creative to know that this canned, non-reply pretty much guarantees that I will never buy another Creative product again. The notion that a simple email query can't be answered if it's more than a year after the purchase date is laughable. Especially when it's related to your company failing to keep up to date with the roll-out of one of the most common operating systems in the world.
Thank you for so clearly indicating the little regard with which you hold your customers.
----- Original Message ----
From: Creative Americas Customer Support < [email protected]>
Dear _,
Thank you for contacting Creative Labs regarding your Audigy 2 Platinum.
From the detailed description provided; I understand you wanted to know
when will updated drivers for Audigy 2 be release so that it can support
Windows Vista. I would like to apologize that you have to go through
this issue on your sound card.
However, based upon your product's date of purchase 27/4/2003, it
appears you're beyond the complementary telephone (60 days) and e-mail
( year) support period.
If you are covered under a Creative Care Protection Plan (CCPP) and are
within the warranty and service coverage of your plan, please reply back
with the e-mail address the plan was purchased under, as well as your
CCPP order and reference number.
If you are beyond your complimentary support period and not covered by a
Creative Care Protection Plan, there are helpful support options that
are still available to you.
1. You may take advantage of our free web support services by visiting
www.**bleep**.com to access the following resources:
Knowledge Base of expert solutions, frequently asked questions, and
reference material
Download drivers and application updates
Auto update will automatically detect and download the latest updates
for you (not available for all products)
Product documentation
Tutorials
User-to-user customer discussion forums
2. You can purchase a Creative Tutor session to receive expert help and
advice from a Technical Advisor by phone. Each Creative Tutor session
is only $2.99 and covers one support issue for up to 30 minutes. To
start, simply call -405-707-8777 Monday through Friday from 9AM until
6PM Central Time. Please have your credit card ready when calling.
3. If you believe you product is in need of repair and wish to simply
pay for an out of warranty repair, you're welcome to reply to this
message to request an out of warranty repair. Simply confirm your
product's name, model number, serial number and an advisor will provide
you with a repair quote and instructions on how to safely ship your
product to Creative.
4. You may utilize 3rd party on-line forums and discussion groups that
can be found using on-line search engines.
However, you may want to download and install the updated driver and
software applications from our download site which is more compatible
with your Windows Vista.
DOWNLOAD LINK: http://us.creative.com//support/downloads/
-Select Product Type + Product Categories + Product Name, once you
have select your product option, select the file type + Language +
Operating system?.
If you would like to search for additional solutions and for future
references, you can search through our Knowledge Base website, http://us.creative.com/support/kb.
Again, I apologize for the complications that you have experienced and I
understand where you're coming from. Meanwhile, you might want to take
advantage of our products and accessories.
Bring out the vibrancy in your entire music playback with the Creative
Aurvana Live! Headphones. Lightweight and ergonomically designed, the
Aurvana Live! is perfect for listening to music on the move or for your
home entertainment use. Constructed with revolutionary driver technology
and in-depth acoustic tuning, it deli'vers a natural and faithful audio
presentation akin to a li've performance. Sharp transients and dynamic
passages are handled with effortless finesse. For realistic music
listening, look to the Aurvana Live! today.
For more information regarding our accessories please refer to this
link:
http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?
Thank you for choosing Creative Labs.
Sincerely,
**removed**
Technical Support
Creative Labs Americas
Original Message Follows:
==================================
Subject: CLI - Technical Support Request - (Audigy 2 Platinum)
Self Description: Advanced PC User
Region: Americas
Country: United States of America
Support Inquiry: ID(5) I need help with a third-party software
application
Product: Audigy 2 Platinum
CCPP Certificate Number:
Serial Number:
Purchase Date: 27/4/2003
Operating System: Windows Vista 32-bit
Creative Model Number:
Computer Brand/Model:
Processor/CPU:
Memory:
BIOS Type/Revision:
System Board/Chipset:
Detailed Problem Description:
When do you plan on releasing updated drivers for the Audigy 2 line
which will support Vista and be compatable with the Service Pack
installation? (The lack of up to date drivers currently prohibits
upgrading to SP according to Microsoft) Thank you.
==================================
*Please remove the names of our email advisors per the forum rules. Dale-CL
Message Edited by Dale-CL on 03-26-2008 12:10 PM

Boz968 wrote:
Looks to me like they gave you very good advice and places to look to solve your problem yourself.
Please suggest to us how you would resolve this problem with any of those resources? This is a known compatibility problem between Audigy series soundcards (amongst others) which can only be resolved with updated drivers which have not been written yet. It affects both recently purchased cards and older ones. In the future, I would suggest becoming more familiar with the problem before jumping in with comments (also reading the original post helps).

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    Ashleigh

    My partner and I brought our laptop 8 months ago and it has caused us nothing but grief. We had the hard drive replaced 3 months ago, the mother board last week and now it is in getting serviced yet again for a new CPU. Our computer was top of the range when we first brought it so we paid an impressive price for it.
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    I would like to lodge a formal complaint as I am not happy with the service provided or my product but I see HP obviously no their products are shocking and know a lot of their customers will not be happy with their purchases, Therefore complaints just don't exist. Good example of a company who is only out there to make money and don't care about their customers.
    This is the first Hp product I have ever personally purchased and I can guarantee it will be the last.
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    Ashleigh
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    Hi,
    I would recomend you to contact with higher authorities of the HP. Please send them an email explaining your issue and provide the information asked and your case will be escalated.....
    ||-Although I am working on behalf of HP, I am speaking for myself and not for HP.-||
    //Click on Kudos if my reply was helpful and answered your question//
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    annoyed2,
    Why not send me a private message with your contact information (name, address, phone#) and the system model type and serial number from the bottom (i.e. 7763CTO, L3-A1234)  and also the FRU# on your battery.  
    I'll look into this and see what can be done.   Sorry to hear that your recent experiences have soured you a bit on ThinkPad. 
    I hope we can restore your confidence.
    Best regards,
    Mark
    ThinkPads: S30, T43, X60t, X1, W700ds, IdeaPad Y710, IdeaCentre: A300, IdeaPad K1
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  • Why I will never buy another HP Laptop

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    I, too, will never buy another HP. I have had 3 laptops in 7 years. My first was a dell and it worked well, but the harddrives crashed. I switched to HP mainly due to high ratings from Consumer Reports. It worked well for two years then I began to have problems on boot up. I decided to replace it before it crashed or further deteriorated. That's when I purchased my G-70 in fall of 2008. I have been pleased with the product, but am dismayed to know HP had knowledge of issues with its hinges. I, unfortunately, didn't know this until I began to experience the problem with my hinges and did a bit of research. I was even more dismayed to know the problem with my first HP was due bad motherboards and heat issues. I was never informed of the motherboard problem and subsequently missed the deadline to have my computer repaired.   These are the reasons I am no longer a loyal HP customer

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    I'm seriously annoyed at creative.
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    Hi there. I have a similar problem with my X-Fi Platinum. When I play any audio file and move any of the windows
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  • I don't think I'm buying anther Lenovo product again

    Let me preface this message by stating that I'm a bit agitated since I just got off the phone with a Lenovo customer service representative in Atlanta Georgia that basically called me a liar.
    I am a IT MSP for a number of small companies in my area. I concentrate on small business with less than 50 users. Up until March of this year I always recommended that my customers buy Lenovo when they buy new laptops/desktop. Since 2010 I've probably bought about $20K worth of Lenovo equipment. Since I'm small it was usually through NewEgg or other retail outlets as I don't have the volume to be a reseller.
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    It has been absolute hell getting Lenovo to replace the laptop but they finally did it. And they did it from what they call their "entitlement department". What kind of insulting name is that?
    Anyway, after the above post I got the run around for about another month. After the second return Lenovo suggested I take the laptop in to a certified repair center they had here in town. The lady there was absolutely awesome, she saw the issue, saw what I was talking about, but couldn't help me because she couldn't identify with certainty what was causing the problem and since she couldn't do that Lenovo would not authorize any parts to be sent to her (yes, seriously).
    Once I finally got transferred to the entitlement department the first lady was nice, made sure I got in touch with a support person that would document my issue properly and escalate it. After this I sent the laptop back only to get it back again with the same issue.
    So I called back, got the run around from a different person in entitlement. She told me to call sales. When I asked her why I would call sales when I didn't buy the laptop from Lenovo she had no good answer but insisted I do it. So I called sales and they laughed as to why they directed me to sales. So I called back entitlement and talked to a very helpful lady named Rosa. She finally did what she could do to get  this resolved for me, which was escalate it to a supervisor (a process that would take 48 hours).
    The supervisor, Daryl, was also great. He didn't give me any kind of run around just asked for a receipt. Once I provided that he shipped me a brand new laptop (with better specs since they no longer made the 530c) and I had it within 2 days. I will be testing and setting up the laptop this weekend but from initial testing I did in the limited time I had the laptop seems to run great.
    So my lesson from this is that Lenovo really needs to get their **bleep** together. They do have people there that care and are willing to help. But they also have far more people that are absolute clowns and have absolutely no willingness to help you. Many things I asked to have noted weren't noted, records of me shipping the laptop back to them were lost in some cases, and even the people that were trying the best they could to help me had their hands tied by Lenovo's policies.
    Due to this I will still likely never buy another Lenovo again. But I am glad this issue was finally resolved. They are sending me a box to send back the bad laptop which I'm sure will be resold as refurbished unit to some poor soul that might not ever find a resolution due to the laptop losing it's warranty in April.
    Another lesson as mentioned above is not to buy from sites like NewEgg for critical business computers. You have no idea what you are getting and it's much better to find a reputable local partner for a company like HP, Dell, or Lenovo that strictly does business sales as I'm sure they have far more resources to help you when you run in to the type of situation that I ran into.

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