HDMI v. Firewire?

Recently saw through this site a Black Magic HDMI card that allows video capture from a HDMI equipped camcorder. Is the captured HDMI video so much better than Firewire capture that the card is worth purchasing? My camcorder has both HDMI and firewire ports.
Mac Pro Mac OS X (10.4.7)

The important thing is to read and understand what they are saying the benefits of capturing over HDMI are vs Firewire.
That being that capture over HDMI gives full frame resolution HD material as opposed to the squished HDV HD.
However this is only an advantage if you record into the computer using the card directly from the camera as a live source, not taped material. The card is a means of bypassing the cameras HDV conversion to tape process.
This card may be useful therefore if you have a broadcast source or deck that outputs full res HD over HDMI. It does not claim to improve the quality of "shot" material digitised from tape.
Its all there on the website.
As a sidenote there is no reason why as an owner of an HDV camera you could not connect to the HDMI card using a component to HDMI converter from the camera if codec preference is a requirement.
http://www.lektropacks.com/view_item.php?product=1000532&&category=148

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Are there any other options for capturing from HDMI over Firewire except for the AJA IO HD?

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I am getting ready to perform a major upgrade. I am currently using a five year old KT4VL. Based on the fact that this board has lasted me for five years and is still going strong, MSI has won me over and I will be sticking with them on my upgrade.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130123
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First of all don't get a Black Edition 5000+ which is only meant for oc. You won't have much fun with either of this boards and oc. Even the unlocked multi won't get you far. Better get a faster stock cpu instead. You'll nearly get a 6000+ for the price of 5000+ BE. If you want to spend less take the 5200+ (get an EE version).
For the board I'd take the K9A Neo2 Digital. Today I build a rig with it for my brother-in-law. Nice board with good onboard vga (Radeon X1250). If you don't wanna play you'll need no additional vga. It comes with really great onboard solutions. HDMI, DVI, Firewire, 7.1 Sound, Gigabit Lan and nice PWM fan control. Also offers basic oc abilities. Great board for that price level.
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As you probably have discovered by now, no you cannot use the iMac as an external display to your PC. However, have you considered installing MS Windows on your iMa? There are several options available to do this if you are interested.

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It has Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 1 (64-bit)
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i am looking for a router (wireless or wired, doesn't matter) that will support uPnP and is compatible with this operating system. I currently have a 2wire 2701HG-B router that i got from ATT.
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Hey, I recently got a Canon XF 100 and Ive been import the footage by copying the .mxf files from the card to my hard drive then imoprt it to PP. Just wondering if any one has a better workflow?

I'm considering an XF100. What kind of interface do you all recommend to get the files or folders from the card to the workstation hard drive? I think I read about card readers and UBS cables, but no HDMI or FireWire or capture direct to OnLocation.
And is it fully compatible with PP, AE CS4?
BTW, you used the Canon Utility to copy all the files at once, Stephen. http://canoncanada.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/28728/~/importing-clips-from-a-cf- card-to-the-computer-(xf105%2Fxf100).
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I wish at least one of my macs came with a converter! I have so many VCR and 8mm tapes on my old consumer cam corder that I want to convert and I found this post browsing around for a converter! I'm ready to put everything into Final Cut and edit it. I want to save everything on DVD and send some DVD's to my family who Live in Puerto Rico. I know from a commercial point of view most of the footage may not come in like this any more but I have a lot of family's kids who grew up and are getting married and stuff and I want to give DVDs to them of their grandparents and etc, etc. So I tried to cheat today! I connected my old camcorder's RCA cables to the aux input on my digital cable box because the Comcast cable box has a firewire port. The picture was great on the TV but I found out the firewire ports on those HD boxes are disabled! The HDMI port is enabled but I don't think there is a converter to go from HDMI to firewire so that I can capture on my mac. Any recommendations?

Importing Sky+ content into iMovie

Hello all.
I have a Sky+ HD box, which is a UK digital satellite receiver with an integral PVR.
It outputs the recorded HD content to my HD television via an HDMI cable.
Would it be possible to connect it to my Mac so that I can import that content into iMovie, trim the adverts and then archive it on an external hard drive?
I appreciate that it would be difficult to do it other than in real-time, and I'm not asking for a file copy method, but is there any way of getting the playback HD signal that would normally go via HDMI into my TV to go into iMovie on my Mac instead?
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Steve Zodiac wrote:
... Would it be possible to connect it to my Mac so that I can import that content into ...
Most probably not:
That digital-signal comming thru the hdmi-port contains a DRM; both devices, receiver + television do a handshake (it's really called so, no fun ), clearing allowness ("this is just for watching, not recording!", "no prob, I'm just a display, no recorder!") - a BlackMagic interface doesn't has this handshake ...
Those digital-TV contains even more oiptions: no recording, no HDef recording but SDef, noFastForward (to skip ads), an expiration date (recording can only be watched the next 7 days) etc etc etc ...
... depends on your service (sky+), ... over here, sky Germany, doesn't allow 'processing' recordings of HDef material ..
.. there are ways to 'hack' that, some 'boxes' emulate that handshake and ... illegal, to bring it to the point

HD Export Help :)

hello...
So, i am trying to export from Final Cut Pro to a PC. Here is the issue i am having.
When i export the movie, it plays great on my mac as a quicktime file, in quicktime. Looks good, etc. When i put it in my work computer (which is a PC) and try to play it through Quicktime, the file is black. I get no picture (not sure about sound as the clip has no sound). Any help? Could it be quicktime on the PC that is not working? Why would i have a black picture on the PC?
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Of course.
Well, does this PC have the ability to play HDV files? Tehre's no way for us to know from where we sit.
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*HDV 1080i*
*When interlaced video is watched on a progressive monitor without proper deinterlacing, it exhibits combing when there is movement between two fields of one frame.*
*Sony adapted HDV, originally conceived as progressive-scan format by JVC, to interlaced video. Interlaced video has been a useful compromise for decades due to its ability to display motion smoothly while reducing recording and transmission bandwidth. Interlaced video is still being used in acquisition and broadcast, but interlaced display devices are being phased out. Modern flat-panel television sets that utilize plasma and LCD technology are inherently progressive. All modern computer monitors use progressive scanning as well.*
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*Some HDV 1080i camcorders are capable of recording progressive video within an interlaced stream, provided that the frame rate does not exceed half of the field rate. The first HDV 1080i camcorder to implement such Progressive Scanning was the Sony HVR-V1.[9] To preserve compatibility with interlaced equipment the HVR-V1 records and outputs video in interlaced form. 25-frame/s and 30-frame/s progressive video is recorded on tape using progressive segmented frame (PsF) technique, while 24-frame/s recording employs 2-3 pulldown. The camcorder offers two variations of 24-frame/s recording: "24" and "24A". In "24" mode the camera ensures that there are no cadence breaks for a whole tape, this mode works better for watching video directly from the camera and for adding "film look" to interlaced video. In the "24A" mode the camera starts every clip on an A frame with timecode set to an even second margin.[10][11] Several editing tools, including Sony's own Vegas, are capable of processing 24A video as proper 24 frame/s progressive video.[12]*
*Prior to the HVR-V1, Sony was offering Cineframe, essentially an interlaced-to-progressive converter, to simulate film-like motion. The conversion process involved blending and discarding fields, so vertical resolution of the resulting video suffered. Motion, produced in the 24-frame/s variant of Cineframe was too uneven for professional use.[13] The same or better film look effect can be achieved by converting regular interlaced video into progressive format using computer software.[14]*
*In 2007 Canon commoditized progressive scanning, releasing the HV20 camcorder. The version for 50 Hz market featured PF25 mode with PsF-like recording, while the version for 60 Hz market had PF24 mode, which utilized 2-3 pulldown scheme. Progressive scan video recorded with the HV20 does not include flags necessary for performing automated film-mode deinterlacing, which is why most editing tools treat such video as interlaced.[15] The HV30, released in 2008, implemented additional PsF-like PF30 mode for 60 Hz markets. Output is performed via component, HDMI and FireWire in interlaced form.[16]*
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File-based media
Type I CompactFlash card
Since HDV was introduced, tapeless — or file-based — video recording formats such as DVCPRO P2, XDCAM and AVCHD have gained broad acceptance. The trend towards tapeless workflow was accelerated with increased capacity and reduced cost of non-linear storage solutions like hard disk drives, optical discs and solid-state memory.
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JVC offers two FireStore recorders made by Focus Enhancements: the HDD-based DR-HD100[34] and MR-HD100[35] on-camera recorders; it also offers the SxS-based KA-MR100G[36] recorder. Canon offers Focus Enhancements FS-CF and FS-CF Pro models, which record onto CompactFlash memory cards.[37] Sony offers the HDD-based HVR-DR60[38] and the CompactFlash-based HVR-MRC1K[39] recorders.
Recording time depends on capacity of media used. In particular, a 32 GB CompactFlash card is good for 72 minutes of HDV video. The HVR-DR60 can fit over two hours of high definition video, while the FireStore models with 100 GB disk drive can store almost four hours of footage. File-based recorders are invaluable for continuous recording that extends one hour.
Distributing
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Importing/capturing to PP from a DVR

Importing/capturing from a DVR
I am trying to solve some issues for a client who is learning how to take clips of sporting events recorded on a DVR, adding graphics and visual/voice annotation to them, and publishing them on YouTube.
The DVR is from DirectTV, model HR22-100, which my brief research indicates is quite popular. I don’t know much about it, but it seems to record using an MP4 codec. These games are recorded in full resolution HD. The client is using a MacBook. He bought a dongle-type gadget called El Gato, and he has been able to move clips from the DVR onto the Mac this way, apparently in some proprietary format, and then the software that comes with this Gato converts them to QTs.
The problem is that the results are in a 4:3 ratio, and the players are squeezed (toothpicks). Since he is using AE for the visual effects (he has both AE and PP, CS4, installed), we’ve tried various interpret footage settings to get a wider picture, but to no avail. We’ve also tried the various settings on the Gato software, also no luck.
The goal would be to have a frame with standard-def resolution, but at a 16:9 ratio; he doesn’t have enough bitrate power on the Mac right now for HD resolution, and that would only increase bandwidth requirements all around.
The idea workflow would be to bring the raw clips into PP, trim them, then move to AE for the effects, and back to PP to lay in narration, a music bed and wild crowd audio, and finally recompress back to MP4 or what’s best for YT.
Has anyone here captured directly into PP from this DVR box? Outputs include composite, component, S-video and HDMI, but no firewire. Of course on the MacBook, the only way in is through the firewire.
One route might be through a component or HDMI to firewire converter. Can anyone recommend a decent but not too expensive converter? Device control is not important, the playback could be started manually from the DVR, the clips trimmed after.
TIA for any advice and suggestions on this.

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Black Magic Intensity Pro Card

I'm in the process of purchasing a Mac Pro to use for my New Wedding Video Business. I have purchsed the New Sony HVR-HD1000. I'm looking to get everything at one time and something has me very confused. I hope that someone can please help me.
As I understand it. I take my New Sony HD Cam via Firewire800 and Final Cut Studio will just suck it all in.
If thats the case, What is the need for products such as the "Black Magic Intensity Pro Card"?
Do I need it when my Mac Pro/Final Cut will import my footage anyways?
Please help me make a sound decision.
Thank you for your time.

A few things to remember:
The best resolution you will get with your HD camcorder is to record LIVE from the camera to the Intensity card connected via HDMI. No compression (HD to HDV) will occur in the camera before the computer sees it. You can either record uncompressed (best) or have FCP/Premier record with a codec (422, etc.). 422HQ is supposed to be "visually" the same as uncompressed HD but requires significantly less space. Recording HD uncompressed REQUIRES Raid disk setups. Depending on your setup, you may require Raid with with 422. The down side for this highest resolution mode is you MUST have your computer hooked up to the camcorder via HDMI to the Intensity card while recording! Not typically feasible when doing live events and being mobile with your camcorder.
The second best MAY be playing back the recorded video (HDV compressed onto the tape) via the HDMI (not firewire) to the Intensity. Here it depends on the quality of the codec INSIDE the camcorder vs. the software codec in the computer. The advantage with an Intensity card here is that you can record onto the computer using a more "editable" format (see below).
The third best (may be just as good as the second above) is to transport the recorded video (HD compressed) via firewire from the camcorder directly to the mac. The only difference from two above is how good the software codec on the mac is compared to the camera. Opinions vary here.
Editing the DV/HDV directly is often near impossible - meaning it must be recorded (converted) on the hard disk in a more editable format. Long GOP issues arise often/sometimes with DV/HDV (MPEG 2).
Method 2 and 3 allow for portability. Method 1 is NOT portable/mobile.
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2. Insert card into slot in MacBook Pro
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Does no one make a Firewire to HDMI breakout box?

Back in the day I used a small inexpensive ($200) analog breakout box to get SD video from my PowerMac G5 workstation to a broadcast NTSC monitor. Firewire ran from the mac to the box, and Final Cut treated the box as if it were a camera or a deck receiving signal. The box had component out which ran to the monitor. Relatively inexpensive and worked great.
What I'm wondering is why I can't find a similar solution for HDMI in today's HD digital world? With a Mac Pro you can just send an HD signal directly to a second or third monitor, but with a MacBook Pro you can only connect one display so if you're already using an external display there's no way to also send a signal to a video monitor. Are there no options that don't involve $2,000+ AJA boxes? Thanks.

Well thankfully the Macbook Pro to which I am referring is in fact a 17" model with expresscard slot. So what I'd need is this $449 Matrox MX02 Mini?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/618347-REG/MatroxMXO2_MINI_L_MXO2_Mini_forLaptops.html
That's actually not too bad. I mean it sure beats having to buy a $2,000 breakout box.

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This may be a strange one
I am running a late 2011 17" MBP running Mavericks (latest version as of July 2014).
Currently I have a 4TB external thunderbolt drive attached. There is no thru port.
My challenge is, I want to connect an external HDMI monitor, but this MBP only has the one Thunderbolt port, being used by the external drive.
My hope is, that somehow, I might be able to MacGyver something using the Firewire port since I cannot afford another monitor with a TB through at the moment....Technically the cabling would be possible, albeit a bit freakish.
Something like:
Firewire cable out from MBP, plugged into a FW to Thunderbolt converter, thunderbolt converter tip plugged into a MiniDisplayPort to HDMI converter box (like the Monoprice MMP-MDP2H01), then from there to the HDMI monitor.
Would the MBP detect the monitor and route the video signal through the FW port accordingly?
Looking forward to some expert advice and any zany workaround suggestions you all might have!
Respect.

The MDP to HDMI will work fine.
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