HDV 1080 format

Hi there, I have a client who has asked to have his photo montage put to the High Def format 1080. I have never created a project in this format. I usually create my movies in dv format.
I will be creating the movement of my photos in "Photo to Movie" then importing my quick time file into iMovie...I know that there is an option to create the movie in HDV 1080i, I hope that when I use this format that everything works out well. I will import my file and add music and titles.....then I will share it to iDVD.
Any suggestions on making this work out would be MUCH appreciated!!!!!!
Thanks!!!!
PS I wonder if I have to do anything special in my Photo to Movie file for this?

Your master should be exported as QT movie (not compression) keeping same settings and self-contained checked (No loss of quality is involved, the result is a perfect copy of each frame from your original media).
Any other conversion will involve compression then potential loss of quality.
That master will play fine on your machine but don't expect it to play on PCs.
However, you can send it to tape or take the exported self-contained file to a post house for DigiBeta or other transfer if you need screening copies of your video.
For the web H.264 is a great choice, amazing quality and fairly small file size with proper settings.
G.

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Hi guys, thanks for getting back to me. My client has now changed her mind and so I'm just mixing XDCAM and HDV 16:9 footage which is absolutely fine. Awesome. Thanks for your help!
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trabant wrote:
You said,"Pardon my bluntness (and no offence intended), but transcoding footage into anything of higher quality than ProRes 422 (not HQ) is a pure waste of disc space."
Sorry to be blunt as well,butluckily I always try things out for myself and not listen to the mantras of those who lecture from on high,but who have not actually performed the task themselves.
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