HDV conform to uncompressed 8 bit probs

I've just finished a HDV conform to uncompressed 8 bit. It was quite problematic, besides the extremely slow re-capturing of the media, I ended up checking every one of the over 520 clips and probably 70% of them had to be slipped 1 to 3 frames to match the reference movie. By 5am I was really only parking the playhead somewhere in a frame, checking and fixing and not rechecking further in the same clip. A day later the online editor said that she had found instances where the clip would be spot on at the beginning then slip a frame or more further on and then somehow get back to where it should be by the end of the clip (or this is how I understood it). Has anyone encountered this issue, is there another way to go about this, did I do something wrong somewhere, is this just a HDV thing?

Hi
yes, conform was not done on my machine, online machine specs are dual 2.5 GHZ G5, 3GB Ram, the machine works fine, we've done uncompressed 10 bit HD conforms with it before and there has never been problems. HDV generally just seems to be difficult to deal with.
Finally I was just wondering if there are special things to look out for when you are coming from HDV in general.

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