*** HDV project: HDV self-contained QT crashes after 98%

HELP! I need to have this project exported by tomorrow and it keeps crashing after 98%. I'm trying to export and full-quality, self-contained HDV sequence and it keeps crashing.
Can anyone suggest what I should do?
Thanks in advance!

You are running 10.4.2?? what FCP version?
No, I'm running 10.5.1
Enough storage left?
20gb on the main drive
Trash your prefs
Did that already
Repair permissions
Did that already
Sounds like you might have a corrupt media file. To troubleshoot, try splitting the sequence in half, and then render each half. The half that fails gets split in half again, and so on until you ID the bum clip.
Would exporting the sequence as an XML and then opening it in a new project and rendering out work do you think?
Then re-capture or re-render, as appropriate, and you'll be good to go.
Hopefully the sequence itself hasn't become corrupted.
I thought of that so I opened a new sequence and copied/pasted the clips in
* Update: I managed to get the QT file to finish it's encode but the audio gets progressively more and more out of wack as the project goes along. I think I'll trash the render files and render the sequence out but any other suggestions are more than welcome too!
Thanks again for all the help!

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