Help using GTX 285

Okay, here's the deal. I need CUDA support on my Mac Pro so that I can run Octane renderer, but I'd rather not drop $800 just for that. So, I found a used GTX 285 (normal one, not Mac edition) and have it ready to install.
I did a search on the Macrumors forums and found Netkas, but I didn't see any clear instructions on how to get the card working. I currently have an ATI Radeon 5770 HD, which I can use as a helper card.
Can anyone direct me to a tutorial on what to do, exactly? Thanks in advance!

All I can give you is some links related to this subject:
The Golden Guide to Flashing Graphic Cards
GTX 285 installation

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Possible to Use Radeon 4870 AND EVGA NVIDIA GTX 285 at the Same Time?

Hello,
I just tried to connect a second 30 inch Cinema display to my early 2009 8-core MacPro with a Radeon 4870 card.
The second display maxes out at 1280 x 800 resolution.
I think that is a function of the second port on the 4870, rather than a limitation of the card itself.
To get around this, I ordered the EVGA NVIDIA GTX 285. At $499, that's a big yikes.
Here is my question: Will I get better performance running one 30 inch from the Radeon, and the second from the Nvidia? Can I even install both at the same time? Or should I remove the Radeon and use just the Nvidia?
FWIW, I use this Mac for Photoshop and other image software, and for some stats work. No games. I am using CS4, which would never recognize my 4870. Maybe I will do better with the EVGA NVIDIA GTX 285?
I would appreciate any and all help on this!
Thanks!
Charles

I just tried to connect a second 30 inch Cinema display to my early 2009 8-core MacPro with a Radeon 4870 card.
Are you using the Mini DisplayPort to Dual-Link DVI Adapter?
<http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB571Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDA5OQ&mco=MjkyNjI0Mg>
The second display maxes out at 1280 x 800 resolution.
That's the resolution the 30" will run at with a single-link DVI connection.
I think that is a function of the second port on the 4870, rather than a limitation of the card itself.
It depends on the adapter you use.
To get around this, I ordered the EVGA NVIDIA GTX 285. At $499, that's a big yikes.
It has twice the graphics memory, so may be better if you are processing lots of large images at once.
Here is my question: Will I get better performance running one 30 inch from the Radeon, and the second from the NVIDIA?
No. For only two displays, one card is better because it can handle moving windows between displays, or windows spanning both displays. With the displays on different cards, the main computer has to do more work. Even if the windows are never going to cross display boundaries, there is no way for the applications to know that, so they won't let the graphics cards do as much as they could.
Can I even install both at the same time?
No. There are only two auxiliary power connectors, and one card will use both.
Or should I remove the Radeon and use just the NVIDIA?
Try each card and see which gives the best results with your applications.
FWIW, I use this Mac for Photoshop and other image software, and for some stats work. No games. I am using CS4, which would never recognize my 4870. Maybe I will do better with the EVGA NVIDIA GTX 285?
The extra video RAM may give better performance with lors of large images.

Help! PrPro 5.5.2 and nVidia 285.62 on GTX 285

Ok, I had posted about this about a month ago over in the main forum, and thought I had solved the problem, but it's back. Unfortunately I can't find my original post to resurrect it, as Jive seems to have wiped my post history beyond two weeks ago... :-(
Anyway, I bought PrPro 5.5 to work with RED Epic footage, and installed it alongside my 5.0.3 on Win 7x64 Ultimate. I ran all updates (5.5.2), and then on my first startup got the message that I wouldn't have CUDA support since there was no CUDA enabled card installed. I knew that wasn't right cause I used CUDA all the time in 5.0.3, so I checked and found my drivers were significantly out of date. I updated my nVidia drivers from nVidia's site, rebooted, and relaunched PrPro. Everything worked great. Until I had to export my first video. During export I consistently got an nVidia driver error, saying that my system resources didn't match what was required by the program (something about it couldn't get small enough packages for the video card to process), and it had to close. Closing the nVidia driver error box also force quit PrPro. I discovered that by running without CUDA I had no issues and could successfully export my video. However, I can't afford the time to run without CUDA as it significantly speeds up the processing time, especially with multiple layers of Epic footage.
So ultimately I did a complete wipe and reinstall of the entire system, starting with the most recent non-beta drivers available for the nVidia card, and put only 5.5 on the system and fully updated to 5.5.2. It recognized my CUDA card and there were no issues. I've worked off and on (very light work over Christmas) until today when I dug back into my big Epic project and started doing some basic scaling and speed adjustments on some clips, and some primary CC with the RGB CC and Three-Way CC. I frequently get the same nVidia error message that I had gotten before I did the wipe and re-install, and it's killing my workflow and productivity. I turned CUDA back off again this afternoon to get this one timeline finished and exported, but I really need it back.
What changed about CUDA support between 5.0.3 and 5.5.2 that has screwed things up with my GTX 285? And what do I need to do to fix things and get them back up and running? Before the wipe and reinstall I had tried multiple versions of the nVidia drivers, incluidng rolling back as far as I could go and keep CUDA support, and the new beta drivers that Ann and others had recommended. Unfortunately purchasing a newer graphics card probably isn't an option since I've already spent over $2300 in the last couple months on hardware and software upgrades.
As a refresher, my other system specs are as follows:
Intel Core i7-920 2.67GHz (no overclock)
12GB RAM
250GB SATA OS/Programs
500GB SATA Graphics/Pictures/Other stuff/Pagefile
3-disk SATA RAID-5 2TB Video Project Files
4-disk SATA RAID-5 8TB Video Data Files (PCIe RAID card)
1TB SATA Video Export/Encore Project files
4TB eSATA Data Backup (not currently in use)
400GB eSATA Project Backup (not currently in use)
Here is the additional spec information from my GTX285 card, pulled from the nVidia system information dialog:
Driver version: 285.62
DirectX Support: 10
DirectX Runtime Version: 11
CUDA Cores: 240
Graphics Clock: 648 MHz
Processor Clock: 1476MHz
Memory Clock 1242MHz (2484 MHz data rate)
Memory interface: 512-bit
Total available graphics memory: 4095MB
Dedicated video memory: 1024MB GDDR3
System video memory: 0MB
Shared system memory: 3071MB
Video BIOS version: 62.0.58.00.03
IRQ: 30
BUS: PCI Express x16 Gen2

Ok.... I just turned CUDA back on and ran it as hard as I could (Secondary CC, etc.) to make it crash again. Here's the screenshot of the error message:
And here's the detailed info from the nVidia page referenced in the error message:
OpenGL message "hardware does not meet minimum specifications"
I have seen this Event Log Message:
Your hardware configuration does not meet minimum specifications needed to run the application. The application must close.
What does it mean?
The most common cause for this issue is that the application was unable to continue due to hardware limitations. The workload the application sent to the Graphics Card could not be broken into small enough pieces to be processed.
How can this be fixed?
Verify you are running the most recent driver for your application. Drivers certified by Professional Software vendors can be found herehttp://www.nvidia.com/page/partner_certified_drivers.html. If you application is not listed, install the most recent driver for your graphics board from www.nvidia.com/drivers. You should also check with your application provider for any updates or patches to your application.
You can also try manipulating a smaller image as you may be running out of video memory with extremely large images. If none of these work, you likely need a more powerful Graphics Card to handle this application.
If you are certain that your graphics card meets the application hardware requirements and none of the above suggestions solve the problem, please file a support request here by clicking on "Ask a Question" near the top of this page. Please make sure to correct enter the operating system, the NVIDIA driver version, the application name and version, graphics board maker and model, along with the steps which were taken to make this issue appear.
Also, I've noticed that it generally happens ONLY after PrPro has eaten up more than 4GB of system memory (PrPro memory configuration is set to Performance and to allow PrPro access to 8GB of my 12GB of system memory):
Does this info help anyone at all?

Mercury CUDA not enabling when using NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 on Apple Mac Pro after Mavericks install

Been using the same setup since CS5 with the Mercury CUDA running perfectly. After recent upgrade of OS X to 10.9 Mercury CUDA is no longer available and only lets me run with the OpenGL or software options. Im using a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 for apple computers. Here are the results for the GPUSniffer program in the latest Premiere Pro 7.1.0 files. The LAST line make me chucle because it the first on the list of supported card in the "cuda_supported_cards.txt" file. Anybody else seen this?
--- OpenGL Info ---
Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 OpenGL Engine
OpenGL Version: 2.1 NVIDIA-8.18.27 310.40.05f01
GLSL Version: 1.20
Monitors: 1
Monitor 0 properties -
   Size: (0, 0, 1920, 1080)
   Max texture size: 8192
   Supports non-power of two: 1
   Shaders 444: 1
   Shaders 422: 1
   Shaders 420: 1
--- GPU Computation Info ---
Found 1 devices supporting GPU computation.
OpenCL Device 0 -
   Name: GeForce GTX 285
   Vendor: NVIDIA (Apple platform)
   Capability: 1.2
   Driver: 1
   Total Video Memory: 1024MB
   * Not enabled by default because it did not match the named list of cards.

found a link from a couple of days ago on a creative cow forum post one of the poster saying they are from adobe stating this
Re: Mercury Playback Engine MacPro
by Peter Garaway on Nov 12, 2013 at 9:49:16 am
Hi Wendell,
Sorry for the inconvenience. NVIDIA is currently working on drivers that support CUDA on Mavericks 10.9 with some of the older NVIDIA cards such as the GTX 285 and the Quadro 4800.
For others interested, the Quadro 4000, K5000 and GTX 680 ect... work with CUDA in 10.9.
Best,
Peter Garaway
Adobe
Premiere Pro
I have latest CUDA drivers, so i guess i am just waiting till a proper update that have the fixes to support my card.

New Video Card (GTX 285) in Mac Pro 8-core 2.8 - Help?!

Do I need mini-lameport to DVI if I am planning on hooking up two monitors (24" Dell LCD in portrait mode and Samsung 305t)

Have you looked at the specs for the GTX? Looks like dual DVI to me.
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/macEVGA_GTX285review/index.html
http://www.barefeats.com/nehal11.html
http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/07/review-nvidia-gtx-285-on-the-mac.ar s/3
(Apple Store closed for new iPods)

I just bought a 300gb 10k Raptor, (2) 1TB Black Cavier, GTX 285 & Snow Leo

What is the best sequence and path to getting everything up and running perfectly? Should I clone the drive then do an snow leopard upgrade to the new hd. Or should I do a fresh install of Leopard on the new hd (Raptor) then do the snow upgrade? I have also heard that I need to leave the old video card in until I have the hd's all switched over to how I need them, then do the driver upgdae for the new GTX 285, then turn the mac off and remove the old vid card and install the new one. Is all this correct? I just need a sequence of events that needs to happen. I do not have anything on this hd that I need to keep, so a fresh install would not hurt anything. Thanks guys. also, should I setup one of my black caviers for a scratch drive? And if so, do I need to do something different to do that?

What is the best sequence and path to getting everything up and running perfectly?
Break the questions into a check list helps.
I like to 'diagram' drive layout and what goes where.
Give yourself time to format and test each.
Should I clone the drive then do an snow leopard upgrade to the new hd.
Or should I do a fresh install of Leopard on the new hd (Raptor) then do the snow upgrade?
Format the drives with Snow and if you want, clone your old system over. It shouldn't matter other than email, prefs, web bookmarks and such either way.
I have also heard that I need to leave the old video card in until I have the hd's all switched over to how I need them, then do the driver upgdae for the new GTX 285, then turn the mac off and remove the old vid card and install the new one. Is all this correct?
SL has the GTX drivers (who/where you heard, is off)
I just need a sequence of events that needs to happen.
See #1
Thanks guys.
also, should I setup one of my black caviers for a scratch drive?
And if so, do I need to do something different to do that?
Assuming you don't need 900GB of scratch, then yes, partition and use the outer 1/3.
Better yet, format each drive as 1/3 and 2/3 and then drag the 1/3 partition sections into the RAID create tab and window and make sure to set as RAID0 stripe (mirror is the default) so you have a fast scratch volume.
You said you wanted fast. I'd have gone 3 x 1TB WD Black even.
Drive bay #4 now is your current system.
Pull it out? use it external backup.
Put 2TB backup there.
Use the 650GB x 2 partitions left from setting up scratch for media library.
*300gb 10k Raptor, (2) 1TB Black Cavier, GTX 285 & Snow*

CS5 custom build with GTX 285 for long-form 4k projects

I've been researching nonstop for several days, and it's time to ask for your expert opinions. I would appreciate any help.
I'm ordering a new system for Production Premium CS5, and mostly I will use Premiere Pro CS5 to edit long-form projects (huge timelines with thousands of clips) of Red 4k footage. It's a feature film with only a few F/X shots, but we'd like to do as much F/X, sound mixing, and color correction in CS5 as possible.
Here is what I'm considering:
CUSTOM BUILD from CYBERPOWERPC (about $1950 including items not listed):
OS: Windows 7 Professional x64
CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-930 2.80 GHz 8M Intel Smart Cache LGA1366
HDD: 1TB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Hard Drive)
MOTHERBOARD: * (3-Way SLI Support) GigaByte GA-X58A-UD5 Intel X58 Chipset SLI/CrossFireX Ultra Durable™3 Mainboard DDR3/1600 ATX Mainboard w/7.1 Dobly Audio,eSATA,Dual GbLAN, USB3.0, 2 x SATA-III RAID,IEEE1394a,4 Gen2 PCIe,2 PCIe X1 &1 PCI [+132]
MEMORY: 12GB (2GBx6) DDR3/1600MHz Triple Channel Memory Module [+219] (Kingston HyperX)
SOUND: Creative Labs SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio 24-BIT PCI Sound Card [+48]
VIDEO: Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 (I will have to take out their card and install this myself for GPU acceleration)
1. Do you see any poor or strange decisions?
2. I liked that mobo because of the chipset's possibilities and because it has 1394 for old-style DV capture. Plus it has 8 SATA 2.0's, 2 SATA 3.0's, 2. eSATA 2.0's, and 2 USB 3.0's for huge/fast storage options in the future. Is there some better alternative if I'm keen to have at least one of each of these formats?
3. I'll clone their 1TB OS drive onto a smaller 250GB drive to use as the OS drive, then use their 1TB drive as part of a 2TB RAID 0 video storage. Will using the mobo's raid controller or some type of virtual RAID (like I did in Xp64) be fine, or do I need a separate RAID controller (like I had in the late 90's).
4. What do you think about that processor and RAM for what I'm doing? Any reason to prefer 2 Quad-Core's (if dual processors are even compatible with CS5)? Please let me know if the current configuration will lag with huge timelines with thousands of 4k clips.
5. Maybe I don't need the Creative sound card and could just use the mobo's sound?
6. Will it be simple for me to remove their graphics card and install an Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 myself?
7. The Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 seems like a good fit for GPU acceleration for me since I'm not expecting to have 4+ layers of videos, though I will be doing multiple effects on 1 or 2 layers. Would having a Quadro FX give any advantage over the GTX 285 for huge timelines with thousands of 4k clips? Or any advantages for any other use?
8. The GTX 285 has 2 DVI's as its only connectors (plus something that looks like S-video). Can I use one DVI for my workstation and one DVI for monitoring video in realtime on an HDMI/DVI-equipped LCD TV or professional HD video monitor. Any problems with viewing/outputting my 4k video in HD in realtime? What is the best setup to view your video on an external monitor? Back in the CS2 days I used a 1394 through a camcorder into an analog professional monitor, but that's not going to be HD, plus I heard there's a sync problem these days.
Thanks for your advice.

Thanks for your advice, everyone!
I'm gaining a lot of knowledge, but I have some followups so I'll break it down into subcategories and hopefully you can chime in on one or more topics.
To give more info about my daily use and purpose:
--smoothly edit huge amounts of RED 4k footage/clips and view the video externally in as high a resolution as possible (2k or minimum of 1k).
---no reason to have more than 3 layers visible at a time.
--the vast majority of the time only 1 video layer (with video effects) will be visible, with perhaps a handful of fades/dissolves during the entire 2-hour feature.
--I don't mind if it takes slightly more time rendering DPX files at the end, but I don't want any hiccups and never want to render during day-to-day editing and monitoring.
GRAPHICS CARD and VIDEO MONITORS
1. I'm pretty much set on the GTX 285, but I wondered if for my purposes I'd get any significant benefit from the Quadro FX 5800 (+$2000-$2600) or the GTX 480 (+$100)? Either in speed of playback or in output to external video monitors. The 5800 has 4GB RAM versus the GTX 285's 1GB, and the GTX 480 has 1.5 GB. Does this RAM matter for what I'm doing or are the cores much more important? Also, if I chose the GTX 480 then I'd have to pray that everything would be stable with a MPE/CUDA/GPU-acceleration hack, or hope Adobe comes through with full support of that card.
2. What is the 3rd output on the GTX 285? There are two DVI outputs and then something that looks like S-Video. Is it S-video out? Or an HD audio out that travels alongside the DVI output to an external video monitor?
3. Does it slow down the system to send the video at 1k or 2k to an external video monitor since you'd be using both DVI outputs simultaneously?
RED 4k PLAYBACK and RAM vs CPU
1. For day-to-day editing, I'm fine scaling to 1/4 resolution if necessary and monitoring video externally at 1k or 2k. Would my current system already achieve that smoothly?
2. From what I've gathered here and elsewhere, for better 2k or 4k playback it might be better to spend extra on CPU rather than RAM. I could spend
--$1000 more for 24GB RAM (instead of 12GB)
--$290 more for an i7 975 Extreme 3.33 GHz 8M Cache
--$686 more for an i7 980x Extreme 3.33 GHz 12M cache.
Given my needs and the current total system cost of $1950, which of these 3 would you choose? Or should I stay with the cheaper i7 930 2.8 GHz and overclock (which I've never done before).
ECBowen:
It sounds like you've used a system similar to what I'm buying to playback RED 4k on a timeline in full, 1/2, and 1/4 scale. I'd greatly appreciate if you could clarify YES/NO for which are possible to have SMOOTH PLAYBACK with your 980x/12GB RAM/GTX 285 system. I know it's a lot to ask, but it would make me feel so much better about this big purchase:
-full scale 4k of 1 layer with 0 video effects
-full scale 4k of 3 layers with 0 video effects
-full scale 4k of 1 layer with 3 video effects
-full scale 4k of 3 layers with 3 video effects (NO, right?)
-1/2 scale of 1 layer with 0 video effects
-1/2 scale of 3 layers with 0 video effects
-1/2 scale of 1 layer with 3 video effects
-1/2 scale of 3 layers with 3 video effects
-1/4 scale of 3 layers with 3 video effects
RAID CONTROLLER
1. I won't use the virtual/software controller. The GigaByte UD5 says it has RAID 0, 1, 5, 10. Does that mean it has an onboard hardware controller that I can configure in Windows 7 or using some software supplied with the mobo?

GTX 285 SuperPipe

I have two of these GTX 285 SuperPipe cards on a P6X58D Premium motherboard from Asus, and I'm having a couple problems with heat. I first tried putting both cards into the x16-capable slots on the board, but they are so so so close together that it seems the top one starts overheating very quickly. I am guessing this is not whats supposed to happen, but I get good temperatures when I have only a single card installed (either one). I'm wondering what I can do to solve this?
My solution so far has been to put the 2nd card in the lowest PCIe slot that can only get to x8, but its a bit depressing to know that the cooler orientation on two cards that I spent a lot of money for prevents itself from performing as well as possible. Is this the only viable solution short of getting new aftermarket coolers?
Another oddity I found was in my Kombustor temperatures... this is with the cards NOT directly next to each other, after 27 minutes of the Kombustor stability test:
GPU0
GPU Temp: 79
PCB Temp: 46
GPU1
GPU Temp: 65
PCB Temp: 57
Why is there a discrepancy like that? Could I just have poorly seated coolers?
Thanks for any and all help =)

I've said a number of times that my cards work fine alone, or together with an empty PCIe slot between them. But I'll try starting this thread over anyways:
Problem:
I have the computer listed below. When I try putting my two video cards in PCIe slots 1 and 2, the card in slot 1 overheats quickly under load, according to MSI's Kombustor utility. Once load is placed on card 1, its temperatures skyrocket and flirt with 100C for a short while, then artifacting begins to occur, then the system as a whole hangs, requiring a reboot. The card in slot 2 does not overheat.
Attempted Remedies:
-Swapped cards between slots 1 and 2, no effect. Whichever card is in slot 1 overheats.
-With slots 1 and 2 populated, put an 80CFM fan (Scythe Slipstream) at the end of the cards with the power connectors, aimed along the length of the cards. This took slightly longer to crash.
-Using MSI Afterburner, I manually set the fan speed on the cards to 100%, along with the Scythe solution from above. No effect.
-Tried all 4 possible combinations of single card setup (Card a/slot 1, card a/slot 2, card b/slot 1, card b/slot 2). All combinations are stable, all Kombustor-reported load temperatures are normal (75C +/-)
-Put cards in slots 1 and 3. These two configurations (card a/slot 1 + card b/slot 2, and vice versa) are the only stable SLI configurations. Cards reach 75-80C under load, system is stable. However, this requires one card to be in a lower-speed PCIe slot, which is not why I bought these cards.
Goal:
Have a stable SLI system that works in PCIe slots 1 and 2 the way they are intended. I find it impossible to believe that MSI built coolers for Nvidia cards that cant work properly in SLI.
System specs:
i7 975X @ 3.8GHz - Cooled with Corsair H50 + 2x Scythe Slipstream fans
Asus P6X58D Premium
Corsair Dominator 6GB kit DDR3 1600
2x MSI GTX 285 1GB OC SuperPipe
2x Intel X25-M G2 160GB SSD - RAID0
PNY PCIe 1x RAID controller
2x Seagate 7200.10 500gb - RAID0
1TB Western Digital Caviar Green
PC Power and Cooling Silencer 750W PSU
CoolerMaster Stacker 810 Case
2x 120mm and 1x 80mm cheapo fans for intake
SpotCool fan pointed at the northbridge
LG BD/DVD player
I hope that fufilled the Posting Guide requirements, as well as cleared any confusion. This is a very frustrating problem I'm having, and I'd like to get it resolved so I can see you all in the online battlefields =)

MSI P7n Sli Fi and my GTX 285

hi, my apologyze for my bad english
i have a problem: i have a XFX GTX285 black edition, the motherboard p7n sli fi, an intel q6600 and 4gb ram ddr2.
when the vga is in the first slot pci ex 16x, the pc don't works, don't boot, i can't enter in bios, no signal on the screen.. but if i put the vga in the second slot, it works.. but not so fine. (more lag in games and benchmark's bad scores).
i'm shure the gtx 285 works (i've tried it in a pc of my friend, it works very well)
i've tried to put my old vga (9800gtx POV) in the first slot pci ex 16x and it works. so.. how is possible? i'm doing something wrong? plis help me.
ah, i have a cooler master gx 750, the problem cannot be the power supplyer.
thanks for your attenction, hoping in a your answer!

Which Nvidia drivers are on your system now?
Suggest you insert the 9800 that works. Then use driver sweeper in safe mode to remove all Nvidia drivers. Load either the 197.45 or a later 260.99 as they worked well with the last 200 series cards.
You can then change the graphics card from the 9800 to the 285.
If you check the MSI GPU support page http://www.msi.com/file/test_report/TR1_1459.pdf you will see that the MB was never even tested with a 200 series card. I trust that someone else can add further insight into possible causes.

Early 2009 MacPro with GTX 285 (Mac Edition) - Dual Monitor Setup

Hey Guys - I tried going through the forum to find this, and I think I see some common responses, but wanted to detail my question and make sure I have it right.
I have a MacPro (early 2009) with the EVGA GeForce GTX 285 Mac Edition GPU. I replaced the GT120 that came with the MacPro. I was initially planning on attaching two monitors to the GTX 285, but I have heard rumors that for smoother performance, I should hook up the GT120 as well and hook up one monitor to that one.
However, I am reading posts regarding other configurations (4870 and GT120, etc), and it seems like there are different responses. Basically, I am looking for better performance for graphics demanding application (gaming, photo-edit, movie, etc).
Thanks for your time and responses ahead of time.

I'm so happy that you're soooo happy. If you were so so happy, I would be disappointed. Blessed? You honor me Japamac-san. I have not bestowed blessings in years, it must have been accidental. Well, I am getting old, there's a reason people move away from me on the subway. I'm glad you interpreted it that way.
Well, ok, the cats out of the bag. I do expect 10.6.2 to do something significant for this card. For gosh sake something has to one day justify this investment...
Both EVGA and Nvidia say it's all up to Apple.
Apple says,... well Apple never says anything,.. but since they sell it on their website one would think it was in their interest to do their best. It's really not nice to sell one card as a 200 dollar option, granted 350 by itself, and another for well over 400 that is only marginally better. It's like looking for a Ford, changing your mind for the Porsche, and ending up getting a Ford with a Porsche sticker on it. This card wails in Windows, how can Apple deny that performance to it's own OS?
While OS changes are incremental one doesn't necessarily expect that all things related to the industry will be. CUDA and Open CL are emerging technologies, but the 285 is real and out there. And it has been for quite some time now. Perhaps more honest marketing campaigns are needed, something like, "Here's the best video card for the Mac out there in existence, you'll just have to wait a few years to see that for yourself, maybe".
Nah, it's not right, you buy a product for what it is, not for what it could be. If it gets better over time that's great, but right from the start it should be worth the price. The 285 hasn't been that yet.
And we 285 owners waited for Snow, with all the talk of Apple's unleashing the power of the GPU. It came and the card ran slower. 10.6.1,... well at least the OS ran better. 10.6.2, well I can't say much about it, but if one can believe what they read, it looks like Apple is at least aware of certain things to be especially worked on. The question for me is to what degree they fine tune things. Can it really be as difficult to create a driver for Nvidia cards, unlike the drivers for ATIs which seem to work with such ease? It's almost like Apple and ATI are intrinsically bound somehow. For instance, with the 285 a new game like COD4 runs just perfectly for me with a 30" monitor, but another game under Rosetta runs not too well at all. Put the 4870 in and COD4 runs very well but not as good as the 285. The Rosetta game however runs great with the ATI. It's things like that I find to be very weird.
If the history of OS X has shown us anything
The history of anything only shows me we learn nothing from it. That's my biggest fear in this case, but I'm encouraged by what I hear.
Expecting 10.6.1 or even 10.6.2, .3, or even .4 to be perfect
That's an odd thing isn't it? How long would car companies last if they fine tuned their cars by analyzing how they failed and crashed for their customers on the road? "Yo, Edsel, I think we need a way to stop them once they're going".
Yet as much as we pay for our computers and equipment we realize that the companies are using us as their R&D Depts. It's an interesting cycle, we're sold things that don't work well, give feedback to make them work well, and next time we buy the better product and it starts all over again.
Well, it's been an interesting chat, full of sound and fury, signifying... well, probably something.

NVIDIA GTX 285 or FX 4800?

I'm using CS4 Premiere Pro. My camcorder uses AVCHD and I wanted to speed up the rendering and encoding of the video files. I have multiple monitors so I would need two of them. Would you rather go with two GTX 285 or two FX 4800 in SLI mode considering cost is no factor? I keep hearing that the GTX would work but NVIDIA says the FX would be way faster for H.264 and MPEG2. Sometimes it's hard to believe the manufacture since they are just trying to sell you the more expensive card. Is the FX card way faster for this type of work?

I have 4 monitors so that's why I wanted two video cards. Since I'll be running two I was thinking of going SLI for extra power only when doing video editing. I mainly work with 1080 high def files.
This is my setup.
Windows 7 Ultimate
i7 965
12GB memory
Two 120GB SSD RAID 0
Five 2TB WD HDs RAID 10
1000w PS
Blu-Ray burner

Why is the GTX470/480 giving me the same performance as the old GTX 285?

Hello
Just love Adobe CS5 but still has some questions?
Starting this thread because I would like to know why Fermi series is not fully utilized inside Adobe?
For example, why is the GTX470/480 giving me the same performance as the old GTX 285?
Is this problem at Adobe or Nvidia or both?
Will this change in the future upcoming update from Adobe/Nvidia?
Best regards
Mikael

Hello my Adobe friends, I love Adobe so don't get me wrong here:-)
This is my system:
Intel i7 920
Asus P6T Deluxe V2 (X58 chipset)
Corsair 12GB (1600MHz)
Adaptec 3085 raid card with 4 x 1000GB Seagate in a raid 5
Nvidia GTX470 with the latest driver
AJA Kona LHi
C disk Intel SSD G2 with Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit with latest driver
Adobe CS5 with al the latest update inkl 5.0.2.
Just read this from dvinfo Adobe and our friend Harm Millaard, so I can not be that wrong about it?
"Currently MPE is still in it's infancy and CUDA Toolkit 3.1 has just appeared.
What does that mean?
First of all that at this moment in time there is no performance difference noticeable between a GTX-285 and a GTX-480, tested on the same system. This despite more than double the cores and double the width of the memory bus of the 480 over the 285.
At this moment the conclusion may be that the 460 is the most attractively priced MPE card with the same performance as the 480.
However, it is to be expected that when MPE get's more mature, it will use available cores more efficiently. Just like the threading on certain processes in CS5 that is far from optimal, causing much more latency in the communication between CPU - RAM - GPU - VRAM and back, especially on hexa cores.
Threading is a major factor for performance gains, both in the CPU and in the GPU. Therefore I expect that in time the 470 or 480 will be a much better choice than the 460".
Best Regards
Mikael

NVidia GeForce 8800 GT *and* GeForce GTX 285 in a Mac Pro?

Hi,
my Mac Pro came with an nVidia GeForce 8800 GT, and I've now bought an extra GeForce GTX 285 Mac Edition (for the Compute Level 1.3 double precision floating point capability in CUDA).
(Everything bought from the Mac Store)
I wasn't aware that I was expected to throw away the GeForce 8800 GT , what with the other three PCI-e slots being free.
The GTX 285 (max requirement: 204 W) requires two extra PCI-e power connectors. The 8800 GT (max: 110 W) uses one. There are only two available from the motherboard though.
So, *although I realize this isn't supported*, has anyone else managed to scrounge some current from somewhere else on the motherboard?
I'm only using one hard drive and one optical drive and no other PCI-e cards. Surely the power supply (around 1000 W ?) can supply the extra?
Does anyone know how much current the PCI-e extra power connectors are rated for?
Thanks,
colin

Search long enough and you may find...
According to this
http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html#pciexpress
The PCI-e slot can supply up to 75 W, whilst a 6 pin cable can provide another 75 W.
So:
2 PCI-e slots + 2 auxiliary 6-pin connector = 300 W
"Even with only two 12 volt lines the standard implementation of PCI Express power cables use large enough gauge wire and a good enough connector to provide much more than the three amps per wire required to provide 75 watts. Nonetheless, the 6 pin PCI Express power cable officially provides only 75 watts. *In all likelihood, however, real implementations of this power cable can provide far more than 75 watts.* "
Hmmm

GeForce GTX 285

Any scoop on what the new GeForce GTX 285 card will cost in the UK? Will it cost more that the ATI Radeon HD 4870?
What's the advise for gamers using windows in boot camp. Should we patiently wait for the GeForce GTX 285 if the price is right? From the reports and articles it out performs the ATI HD 4870.
Its a shame apple holds it customers to ransom. I use to be a PC user, I miss the easy of upgrading and changing.

I'm afraid not but, it is available in a week or two on the USA website. I think I'll keep an eye on the Barefeats.com site because they usually get onto these things before anybody else. I think the main problem will be - how good are the drivers, especially with the Pro Apps. One has to assume that they have got their act together with this one and that they have also tested it with Snow Leopard(which I shall be testing this weekend!. So here's hopeing :-))
http://store.apple.com/us/product/TW387ZM/A

Accelerating Compressor with NVIDIA GTX 285 or GT 120?

Is there any way to accelerate Compressor using OpenCL with NVIDIA GTX 285 or GT 120? Plans to do this?

RedTruck wrote:
the standard? really…?
Yes. Every consumer camcorder that we sell at my camera shop records to AVCHD. Every Blu Ray player sold at WalMart, Best Buy, Target, etc. etc. etc. etc. uses AVCHD. It's the standard. Period.
Apple needs to get with the times! Sorry, but it's the truth. I'm not denigrating Apple, but they are living in a false reality if they think that AVCHD/Blu Ray is not the standard now, or that it's just going to go away because they refuse to acknowledge it or incorporate it into their products.
The assumption for many years has been that if you had a video camera, you should buy a Mac and it will be able to edit your videos right out of the box and burn them to a disc for playback on your computer. But it's simply not the case anymore.
I have customers come to my store and purchase AVCHD camcorders, and I got really tired of having to explain to people who came back with patches of hair missing where they pulled it out, that, "Sorry the Mac does not support the current HD standard."
"Huh? What?"
"That's right, it does not support AVCHD playback nor does it support Blu Ray."
"Really? Why?"
"I don't know."
"OK, well, what am I supposed to do? I just want to copy HD files to my Mac from off my camcorder and watch them."
"Sorry, not possible. Well, you could try VLC... but it will be choppy and horrific, unless you can somehow decipher its arcane preferences and get it to play those files back smooth, but I've been doing this for 20 years and I have no clue how to make VLC work for smooth AVCHD playback on a newer model iMac."
"OK.. well, how do I get them burned to disc?"
"Well, you could import them into iMovie, which requires transcoding the video into a much, much larger format, that takes a lot of time --"
"-- but wait, I bought a flash memory camcorder because I wanted to avoid the long camera to computer transfer times that plagued my life with a tape-based camcorder. But you're telling me now I have to wait hours and hours to capture my 120gb hard drive full of AVCHD video to my Mac in HD?"
"Yes, that's correct. Oh, and if you want to burn it to AVCHD/Blu Ray, you'll have to buy Toast and an external Blu Ray burner. That'll run you about.. $400. Oh, and when you do this, it will have to re-encode the video back into AVCHD, which will take *at least as long* as when you captured it in iMovie in the first place. And that 120GB of video is going to require... a LOT more than 120GB to store on your computer."
"$400?! I thought Mac came with the latest technology and supported the latest standards! More than 120GB? What the heck, why?"
"I'm sorry, but Apple transcodes it out of its native format, into some intermediary codec that eats up exponentially more space."
"Why the heck do they do that?"
"I don't know. Adobe Premiere Elements is the only consumer editing package that supports AVCHD natively, yet it only runs on PC. You could buy Premiere Pro CS4 but .. don't ask the price of that. Look, I don't know what to tell you. Buy Windows, install it, buy Premiere Elements, install that, and then buy Roxio Creator 2010 Pro, to burn your Blu Rays, and buy an external Blu Ray burner."
"Or just buy a PC that ships with Blu Ray?"
"**** no. Just wait.. until some undetermined future time.. when Apple finally decides to get with the times... <<sigh>>"
Anyway look. Currently Mac doesn't support the latest standards. I frequently have customers come to my camera shop, which is in the same mall as an Apple store, and I've had this conversation over, and over, and over again.
Anyone who disagrees that AVCHD is the standard needs to consider the fact that they are totally wrong.
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