Horrible Color Management in Windows 8.1 and PhotoshopCC (solution)

Perhaps you what happened to me. Windows 8.1 and in my case a laptop Asus Intel Core I5.
CC install the brand new Photoshop (or other) and color management is Horrible ... no ... the following.
The black and white is sepia ... And the colors are nothing real touch all settings and no result ... I almost went crazy. I think the solution is going to cost more people. And when they discover is a great relief.
We go to the control panel
The first will .... Color Management.
The second will .... Advanced Options.
And choose "Adobe RGB 1998".
And thus solved
En español. Seguir este link. http://rapulsel.blogspot.com.es/2013/12/gestion-de-color-horrible-en-windows-81.html

Rapulsel, color-management cannot successfully be taught on a forum in a "for dummies" fashion. It's been tried and usually it leads to trouble.
Color-management is non-trivial, and it's the kind of thing that can make you want to run away from it screaming before the light finally goes on and you get your head around it.
However, after that you will understand it and you will find you can solve your color-management problems and produce imagery and work products that are predictable. You results will be second to none.
The problem you are having most likely is that someone (the manufacturer?) associated a color profile with your display that does NOT actually describe the color response of your display. It happens. And it consistently screws things up when it happens.
A first step you can take to undo that, before going and learning how to make a color profile that more precisely describes your display, is this:
Open WIndows' Color Management panel, in the Devices tab choose [ ] Use my settings for this device,
[Add...] the sRGB IEC61966-2.1 color profile.
If it is not marked as (default), select it and press the [Set as Default Profile] button.
This sets your default profile to a common default set of color characteristics that many displays are designed to implement.
This may make your colors more tolerable, and they'll match that displayed e.g., by Internet Explorer.
Then go off and do some reading. It's well worth taking the time and spending the effort to learn how color-management works. I advise reading about it in multiple places online, always keeping in mind that some (maybe a lot of) people who don't really know much more than you do try to teach it to others. Understand that there aren't really good "just do this" or "set it and forget it" answers, and that just because something is published online or even in a book doesn't make it gospel worthy of blind faith. Read multiple sources, and try to distill out the essence of what they are saying.
Good luck.
-Noel

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Important Hints on Color Management under Windows XP!!

After struggling for several hours, I have learned a couple important tidbits I have not seen elsewhere in these forums. As much confusion as I read in here about color management and color issues, this might be quite important to some.
If you want to skip the story, jump down to the last few lines of this entry for the summary.
I recently built a new computer, and when I copied my catalog over to the new drive and opened it, all my files as viewed in Lightroom had a distinctly "yellow" tinge, as compared to their exported JPEG brethren (as viewed in Windows Explorer thumbnail view). I realized, aha, I haven't set up color management on the new system yet, so this is to be expected. Lightroom internally uses a different color space than XP, so without some color management they won't match.
Well, after going around and around setting up monitor profiles and so forth, I was getting nowhere. Nothing was changing the appearance of the yellowish images in Lightroom!
Abandoning the effort for the time being, I switched to other tasks, and imported an old catalog to see if I wanted any of the old work before I deleted it. Then i did a double take... my color problem was fixed! Could color profile info be stored with catalogs? Surely not.
So I started experimenting. Removed all monitor profiles. No change. Switched back to the newer catalog. The colors changed. Put the monitor profile back. No change. Restart Lightroom. No change. Click load catalog, and then pick the same catalog I'm on. No change. Load the old catalog, the colors changed. After several rounds of experimentation, I am now sure of the veracity of this new discovery.
Here is the moral of this story, in two bullets:
(1) Some color management changes in Windows XP are only apparent in Lightroom when you load a catalog. Even restarting Lightroom, or restarting Windows isn't enough. Only loading a catalog makes the changes show up.
(2) You can't simply reload the catalog you are on. You have to load a different catalog, so Lightroom offers to Relaunch, in order to get the changes.
I hope this helps someone.
Vaughn
http://vaughnsphotoart.com

>I recently built a new computer, and when I copied my catalog over to the new drive and opened it, all my files as viewed in Lightroom had a distinctly "yellow" tinge, as compared to their exported JPEG brethren (as viewed in Windows Explorer thumbnail view). I realized, aha, I haven't set up color management on the new system yet, so this is to be expected. Lightroom internally uses a different color space than XP, so without some color management they won't match.
Since Windows Explorer is not managed, they will NEVER match, even if you use sRGB in your exported jpegs as you should. This is even true if you calibrate your monitor. You can only get a complete match when your monitor's primaries correspond precisely to sRGB, which basically never happens. In unmanaged apps, calibration only impacts the contrast (i.e. gamma and blackpoint) of the monitor. This is why the use of managed apps is so important.
>So I started experimenting. Removed all monitor profiles. No change. Switched back to the newer catalog. The colors changed. Put the monitor profile back. No change. Restart Lightroom. No change. Click load catalog, and then pick the same catalog I'm on. No change. Load the old catalog, the colors changed. After several rounds of experimentation, I am now sure of the veracity of this new discovery.
This is weird. Lightroom for me always picks up on a new monitor profile after a restart. I don't need to load a different catalog. Definitely not normal and unexpected behavior.
>How could a monitor profile do this? Monitor profiles effect the image as it's sent to the monitor, so how could LR even "know" what monitor profile is selected? This still isn't making sense to me.
Actually it does have to know. The way color management is implemented on windows (and Mac OS too), is that apps are responsible for doing the translation to the monitor profile. The OS just tells the app about the monitor profile and the app can deal with it as it pleases. This way the app can either use a system library such as ColorSync or the windows equivalent, or its own profile conversion code such as all Adobe Apps do. This is why unmanaged apps are not suddenly magically corrected. The only thing that gets corrected for unmanaged apps is the grey response because this is handled by a LUT (lookup table) in the videocard.

Very big problem with professional Color Managed Display in PS CC and CS6 win7 64 bits

How to reproduce this problem:
- Photoshop CS6/CC
- Win 7 Ultimate 64 bits English with all the updates.
- ATI 7870 / HD 550 and early graphics cards.
- Dell U3014, CINTIQ 21UX (in the 7870), 2 samsung 2232 in the 5500 (all on, or one at the time)
- Spyder 3/4 Elite, Eyeone Display 2, DispCal (argyll), ColorEyes 1.60
After the calibration and profile process with everyone of this Display profling tools (lets supose that is all right), open a image with more saturated colors (with Adobe 1998 RGB color space) in CS6 or CC, and hit the "F" key to toggle screens.
You will see that the saturated colors will change (will become even more saturated) in the nest two screen modes, and color come back to the "normal" if hit F one more time.
Seems like the photoshop get rid of calibration luts in the 2 F screens modes and come back to normal when the image are in the initial screen mode.
ps: the loaders startups of each display calibration, was choosed one of the time when I restart the PC ( so, there are no multi loaders trying to put your luts at same time)
- PS CS6 / CC and WINDOWS are totally up to date
- The driver of display cards, are the latest AND the windows certificated
- There are no other software installed on the PC that try to handle the display card or even diferents CMS.
- In fact the Windows is a fresh install
- This happen in RGB and CMYK images.
This is very frustating..:(

Dear Lundberg, in fact I'm wrong about this happen in RGB images, only happen in CMYK (whatever CMYK)
If you have an up to date Win 7 64bit, PS CS6 or CC, and calibrate your display with any colorimeter spectrophotometer and their respective softwares. Download an image like this flowers:
http://hdw.eweb4.com/out/663221.html
Before, be sure to set in PS, this color settings attachad :
Open this file, convert to CMYK and hit the F key to toggle between screen modes.
If you have a calibrated display with, let me say, Eyeone and Coloreyes, and the videoLuts loader is on, when you hit the "F" key, the colors on the CMYK image, will become way more saturated/heavy/dense, so Hit the F key until the screen mode is "normal" the color come back to the normal too.
I test this behavior in 8 machines so far, and in all this machines, the change in the colors are very noticiable, to reach a point that I cant be used in color professional works.
I hope that now I could express my self good enough.
Regards.

I hooked up my ipod color to a windows 8.1 and now it does not work.

After my computer was upgraded to windows 8.1 and the latest version of Itunes was installed. I hooked up my Ipod Color to the USB port to re-sync the Ipod, Itunes wanted to format the drive before I could use it on the computer. After Itunes got done with it, the Ipod did not work. How do I fix the programming on the Ipod so it will work again?

Hello Kelly,
I would be concerned as well if my iPhone was not recognized by iTunes. Thank you for providing all the information with the steps you took in regards to this issue. I found an article with a few more steps you can take (you can skip the steps you have already taken):
iOS: Device not recognized in iTunes for Windows
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1538
Thank you for using Apple Support Communities.
Best,
Sheila M.

How to create/simulate multiple mouse devices (in dev manager) in windows 8.1 and above?

Is their any way to install/enable multiple mouse devices in windows 8.1 and above and simulate input to them? I would write a driver if their is no other way. If I need to write a device driver does anyone have any good pointer tutorials that would
get me started?
I found this for communicating with an already installed device which is hooked up to the computer.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/windows.devices.humaninterfacedevice.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396
I wonder if installing something that's already in the driver store using DiInstallDriver and enabling it (possibly via CM_Enable_DevNode) would work?
My goal was to create/install 4 mouse devices and communicate with them via the windows.devices.humaninterfacedevice library. Would this be possible?
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you need to write your own driver. you will need to write a HID miniport. from that one miniport you can describe as many HIDs as you want. you can write the HID miniport driver in UMDF if you want to stay in user mode.
the namespace you link to above will not create HIDs and the normal rules about not allowing you to open a keyboard or mouse HID from user mode still applies.
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That almost an answer. I was wondering if this is good example of what you were talking about:
https://code.msdn.microsoft.com/windowshardware/WudfVhidmini-Sample-b304f83a/sourcecode?fileId=42918&pathId=556204534
If so, does that mean I need to use direct calls to HID.dll or other libraries in order to read from the custom mouse device? I have seen many implementations of filters which end up poorly (maybe not everyone but the multiple device ones mostly) and
I am not for sure about the miniport drivers.
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suffering - Yoda. Blog - http://www.computerprofessions.co.nr

Color Management: Results differ between Lightroom and ColorSync

Hi. I'm on a Mac and using LightRoom 3 with a Canon PIXMA MG5250 printer.
I have read elsewhere on the web that choosing a profile from within Lightroom's Print interface is essentially the same as selecting "Color Sync" under "Color Matching" in the print dialog (as opposed to "Canon Color Matching") and then selecting the prifile there. The only difference is in what interface you use to pass the same instructions to the driver. And sure enough, when I select a profile in LR, the options under "Color Matching" are disabled (with the "Color Sync" radio button selected). The only thing is:
Selecting the profile in Lightroom produces a slightly brighter image.
I printed the same image on the same piece of paper side by side. First one image with CM from LR. Then I refed the sheet, moved the image over to the other side and printed again with CM set to ColorSync and profile selected in the print dialog. The latter produced noticably richer (and more desireable) blacks.
Should this be possible?

Back at work and my wide gamut monitors, and now I see the problem very clearly.
Lr Develop and Photoshop are basically in agreement, although there is the weird banding in the Photoshop version. The differences are all in the red channel, so here's once again how the full screenshot looks - the first as is, the second with a curves layer to make it clearer:
So let's forget the histogram for now (although the clipping still makes me suspicious) and figure out which version is the correct one. I tend to trust Photoshop, but there is one known bug that affects Prophoto files with Open GL "on" only. All other color spaces go clear of it. This could well be it, because it causes colored banding in shadow areas. The bug is acknowledged but still not resolved.
So try to turn off Open GL in Photoshop and see if the banding goes away.
If it does, and Lightroom Develop/Photoshop are in agreement, I'd probably leave it at that and settle for Jao's explanation above. As has been said before, the fact that there is a difference is in itself no mystery, since the previews are rendered into Adobe RGB and Develop uses linear Prophoto.
And then I'd recalibrate the monitor, making sure that it's properly warmed up, just to be safe.
I'll try to duplicate this when I get time, using images with similar deep blue tones. But my monitors are Flexscans, not Coloredges, and the Eizo profiling software is different, so it's not directly comparable.

Printing with HP B9180 and Photoshop Elements 8 and Color Management

I've got a bit of confusion about certain settings in the printing process and I've posted a rather long discussion of my 'issues' and confusion. I hope someone can give me some guidance here. I've seen a lot of these issues addressed in many places but I can't seem to find an integrated response. Thanks to anyone who takes the time to read and respond.
Color Management Questions
My problems started when I was getting pictures that were too dark from my HP 9180 printer after having gotten very nice prints for a long time. I had obviously started to do something differently inadvertently. The only thing I think that is different is that I got a new 23 inch monitor, which does produce much brighter on-screen images. So, I started to do some research and know just enough about color management to be slightly confused and have some questions that I hope someone can give me some help with.
Equipment Background
I use both a Canon 20D and a Canon PowerShot SD600 camera. Both have the default color space as sRGB, although the 20D can be also set as RGB.
I also use Photoshop Elements 8, where there are a variety of settings possible for printing.
My monitor is an HP S2331, whose color space is sRGB and cannot be reset to RGB (I think) except for temperature; the default is 6500K.
My printer is an HP Photosmart Pro B9180 Printer, where there are also a variety of settings possible.
I’m running XP-Pro.
Here’s Where I Get Confused
Everything I have read about color management (various web sites, forums, books, etc) says to have the image, monitor, and printer all in the same color space.
Everything I read about PSE 8 (same sources) says to set PSE 8 to ‘Always Optimize for Printing’ under Edit>Color Settings in order to get the best prints. This displays photos based on the Adobe RGB color space.
I am taking pictures in sRGB, and telling PSE 8 to process them in RGB by selecting ‘Always Optimize for Printing’. Is this something I should be concerned about? Should I reset my camera for RGB?
Further, by selecting ‘Always Optimize for Printing’, I am setting PSE 8 for RGB while my monitor displays sRGB. Is this an important issue or is it also much ado about technicalities that an amateur should not worry about? It does violate the ‘keep them in the same color space’ rule.
Next, when I go to File>Print and get the Print window and then do the Page Setup and Select Printer, I then go to More Options in the lower left of the window. Under the More Options window, I select Color management and select Photoshop Elements Manages Colors. Next, there is Image Space, which is fixed and not subject to selection from a drop down menu.
I understand that this is the image space of the image I took with my camera and that information is embedded in the image. Correct?
Next, there is Printer Profile. But, from what I have read, this is where the IEC profile of the paper being printed on is supposed to be selected, isn’t it?
Shouldn’t this more appropriately be called Paper Profile, or Printing Media Profile? Further, this drop down menu appears to be somewhat erratic, sometimes showing all of the paper profiles I believe are loaded, sometimes not. It also shows listings such as Working RGB-Adobe RGB (1988), Adobe RGB 1988, Dot Gain 10%, 15%.... along with a lot of paper profiles. Aren’t those profiles unnecessary here?
I’ve used both Relative Colorimetric and Perceptual Rendering and am happy with either one.
Next, when I go to Printer Preferences, in order to “…disable color management in the printer preferences dialog”, under the Color Tab, I select Application Managed Colors from the Color management drop down menu, and also have the option of selecting ColorSmart/sRGB and Adobe RGB (1988).
Is there any time when I should use either ColorSmart/sRGB or Adobe RGB (1988)? If I were staying with my camera’s sRGB setting, given the fact that the monitor is sRGB, would the appropriate selections be ‘Printer Manages Colors’ and ‘ColorSmart/sRGB’?
Finally, under the Features Tab, I go to look for the same paper I selected under Printer Profile (Question 4 above). If it is one of the pre-loaded (by HP) profiles, it is there, but if it is a profile I downloaded, say for an Ilford paper, it isn’t listed, and I need to guess at an equivalent type of paper to select.
Is there any way to get that listing to appear under the Paper Type drop down menu?
I know that this is a long post, but it helped me to clarify my ‘issues’. Thank you for any and all suggestions, answers, guidance and help.

RIK,
Some printers have long names, esp. HP printers, and PSE gets ":confused." In control panel>devices and printers, right click on the default printer, go to printer properties, and rename the default printer to something short, e.g. "Our Printer." That may fix it..

Windows 8 Color Management - colors not correct in Adobe programs

I have been having a problem for some time with color management. I thought that I would cure my problem with my new Windows 8.1 system with fresh installs of all my programs, but it persists.
Here's my control image with the color #213D86:
When viewed in any Adobe program (PS CS3, PSE 10, Adobe Reader XI), this is what the image looks like on the drawing surface:
If I look at the color with the color picker in PS or PSE, I get #213D86. When I sample with a program like Iconico's ColorPic, I get #393C7D. Strangely, if I view the image with Save for Web, it appears correctly.
Obviously, I have some sort of color management issue but I don't understand it. My display is a Dell 2208WFP. I tried setting different color profiles on it but it had no effect on the problem. I tried using Spyder calibration and that made no difference. I've tweaked Windows color management settings, all to no avail.
I thought that the problem directly related to Adobe products because in every other context, such as a different photo editor like Paint.NET, the image looks fine. However, on my new Windows 8.1 system, the Windows Photo Viewer displays the wrong color as well.
Where have I gone wrong? What am I missing?
Thanks.
Will

Auto white balance is actually the culprit of these problems as your camera will attempt to measure it itself, and is often wrong. That's just the nature of these cameras. The only way to be sure is to shoot a grey card.
> Microsoft RAW Image Viewer
Is that the Vista version? Otherwise it does not do any correction for the display. Canon's zoombrowser has a checkbox that has to be turned on in order for it do correction and I do not know whether xnView can use a display's calibration. Of the apps you list, the only ones that certainly do color manage are the adobe programs, and, if your display's calibration is correct, are the only ones that you can absolutely trust.
The reason the color looks different for a second when loading in LR is that it shows the embedded jpeg (the camera embeds a jpeg preview in the RAW file) until it calculates the actual RAW conversion. LR applies a default contrast curve BTW, you can try to see what happens when you use the zerod preset.

Flash Player and color management

Anyone can explain how a Flash Player (ver. 9) handles color
managed JPEGs (tagged with sRGB) in a slideshow. I am getting
pretty significant shifts in color and cannot explain it why. When
the images are viewed in a color managed browser, all is fine and
correct. The moment I let them run in an swf object, all is messed
up.
Generally, I've read that FP is not color managed (I've heard
that 10 is, but the slideshow component currently wouldn't take
advantage of it probably anyways), but I am interested to learn how
does Flash treats images with sRGB (does it strip the profile,
disregards it altogether) and what supercedes what. Flash inability
to color manage ot browser's ability to manage anything running in
its window?
You can view the example here:
Incorrect colors
[L]http://www.mafani.com/gallery/mafgallery.html#id=album-15&num=10[/L]
Correct colors
[L]http://www.mafani.com/images/test/Picture%203.png[/L]

What I read in the spec is that FP10 only honors the color
profile if you turn the api ON in your SWF's. It's off by default.
At least that's how I read it. But I read through it pretty quick,
so I may have missed something.
Reading through the above link and
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/AS3LCR/Flash_10.0/flash/display/Stage.html#colorCorrection
I'm not sure that's so clear.
I don't have the bandwidth(or the color-corrected monitors)
to dig into this one myself right now. What I'd suggest you do is
do some testing with the API in a sample FLA/SWF. IF you then think
the colorcorrection isn't doing what it's supposed to then open a
support case against Flash CS4 at
http://www.adobe.com/support/contact.
We'll get it investigated and see what we can find out. If you do
that please post the case number back here so I can follow up on
it..

Color mismatch Windows 8.1 and Acrobat X and XI Pro

I am creating a PDF from Excel 2013 using both Acrobat X and Acrobat XI on my ASUS laptop running Windows 8.1. Text that is blue in Excel 2013 looks purple both in the PDF and when viewing the uploaded PDF in Internet Explorer. The text in the PDF looks blue when viewed on other systems running Windows 7, Office 2010 or 2013 and Acrobat X. On the Windows 8.1 laptop, the colors in the same uploaded PDF also look correct when viewed using Google Chrome. There appears to be a compatability/color issue with WIndows 8.1 and Acrobat X and XI. Anyone else run into a similar issue?

This forum is for users of Adobe's online service - files.acrobat.com.
Please try reposting your question in the Adobe Reader forums (http://forums.adobe.com/community/adobe_reader_forums)

Print Color Management Problem w. Photoshop Elements and Tiger/Leopard

Has anyone tried printing with ICC profiles through Photoshop Elements 6 for Mac? Apparently, it does not work on Tiger nor Leopard? My prints look very dark and over-saturated.
The Datacolor folks, who make the Spyder3 calibrators I'm using, say my prints look like they are being "double color managed," possibly once by PSE and once by the printer driver (even though it's turned off).
Over at the Adobe Forums some say it's a problem with Leopard. I'm not so sure, because I found that printing color management works fine on a Mac with Photoshop Elements 4.01 and Tiger. Any comments? Thanks.

Aha! Got it. Adobe has confirmed that the problem is on their end. PSE 6 is double color managing the images. Here's what one user got in reply from Adobe on the subject. There are two separate answers:
Thank you for contacting Adobe Technical Support.
After consulting with my colleagues about the issue you raised, I can let you know the following:
The issue is both on our as well as the driver software side and the workaround we have given is the best available at this time. This issue is affecting all printers, not just Epson or Canon.
The soft proofing effect that you are seeing in the print preview is indeed an attempt at soft proofing. However since Photoshop Elements managed prints are incorrectly double colour managed it is not as useful as it was initially designed.
As to the exact details of why this occurred, we have no official information.
We believe that this will resolve the issues you are experiencing, however, should the reply not help solve the problem, please contact us again, quoting the case number given above, and we will re-open the case.
Answer # 2
We have had word back from our engineers regarding your issue.
The Photoshop Elements team are aware of the problem and are working with Apple and the printer manufacturers to get this to work correctly. In the meantime, the only workaround is to switch off colour management in Photoshop Elements and let the printer handle the colour management.
Unfortunately we can not make an estimation as to when a fix will be provided. We will close the case for the time being as there really is nothing more we can do about this issue besides offering the suggested workaround. Closing this case does not mean that the research will stop however and the engineers are working on a solution to this.
As the tech noted, let the printer handle the color instead. Tell PSE not to manage color so it is the step sending the data unaltered. When the print dialogue comes up, under the Color Correction heading, change the pull down menu to "ColorSync". In the menu below that, choose the correct profile for the paper you're using. If the Brightness menu is still active, look for any choice that allows you to turn it off. If none exists, leave it on Normal. If the options below that for Color Balance and Intensity are not grayed out, make sure they are at the center positions (no effect).
These steps are the same as before, except you're doing them in reverse. Photoshop is doing nothing and the print driver is handling the ColorSync chores rather than the other way around.

Managing Windows Phone's and Symantec Code Signing certificate

Hi,
We need to renew the code signing certificate from Symantec. However, we only use it to manage the Windows Phone devices and don't publish apps. Do we still need to spend $300 on renewing this cert? Can't I manage them for free like our iOS and Android devices?

You REQUIRE the Symantec Code Signing Certificate to manage Windows Phones via Windows Intune. This is a requirement of the device rather than the management solution.
You CAN manage Windows Phones without this cert using only Exchange active sync management in Intune. However this management is very basic and has no advanced features (basically the features provided by Exchange rather than Intune).
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Confused about Color Management in CS5 (Photos appearing differently in all other programs)

I recently noticed this and it's been driving me crazy; when I view photos in Photoshop CS5 they appear significantly lighter/more washed out than when viewed in other programs like Zoombrowser, Digital Photo Professional or just in a regular Windows folder using Filmstrip mode (Windows XP). When opening the same photo in both CS5 and Zoombrowser and switching back and forth between the two windows the difference is very apparent...for example, one of the photos I compared was of a person in a black shirt -- in CS5 (lighter/washed out) the folds in the shirt were very obvious, but in Zoombrowser (darker, more contrast/saturation) the folds were nearly invisible and it looked like just solid black. Now, after messing around with the settings in both Photoshop and in Zoombrowser I've found a few ways to get the photos to look the same in the two programs; one way gives them both the lighter/more washed out appearance and another way gives them both the darker appearance with more contrast and saturation. My problem is that I'm not sure which view is accurate.
I use a NEC MultiSync LCD1990SXi monitor with SpectraView II calibration software and calibrate it every 2 weeks using these calibration settings (screenshot): http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8826/settingsx.jpg
In the SpectraView II Software under Preferences there's an option that says "Set as Windows Color Management System Monitor Profile - Automatically selects and associates the generated ICC monitor profile with the Color Management System (CMS)." This option is checked. Also, when I open the Windows' Color Management window there's only one option displayed, which is "LCD1990SXi #######" (the ####### represents my monitor's serial number).
I assume the above settings are all correct so far, but I'm not sure about the rest.
Here are my current default Color Settings in CS5 (screenshot): http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/666/photoshopcolorsettings.jpg
Changing these settings around doesn't seem to make the photo appear much different. However, when I go to Edit -> Assign Profile, then click off of "Working RGB: sRGB IEC61966-2.1" and instead click Profile and select "LCD1990SXi ####### 2011-06-21 18-30 D65 2.20" from the drop-down menu, the picture becomes darker with more contrast and saturation and matches the picture in Zoombrowser. Also, if I select "Adobe RGB (1998)" from the drop-down menu it's very similar in terms of increased darkness and contrast but the saturation is higher than with the LCD1990SXi setting. Another way I've found to make the image equally dark with increased contrast and saturation is to go to View -> Proof Setup -> Custom and then click the drop-down menu next to "Device to Simulate" and select "LCD1990SXi ####### 2011-06-21 18-30 D65 2.20" again.
Alternatively, to make both images equally light and washed out I can go to Zoombrowser -> Tools -> Preferences and check the box next to "Color Management: Adjust colors of images using monitor profile." This makes the image in Zoombrowser appear just like it does in CS5 by default.
Like I said, I'm confused as to which setting is the accurate one (I'm new to Color Management in general so I apologize for my ignorance on the subject).
It would seem that assigning the LCD1990SXi profile in CS5 would be the correct choice in order to match the monitor calibration given the name of the profile but the "Adjust colors of images using monitor profile" option in Zoombrowser sounds like it would do the same thing as well. Also, I've read that Photoshop is a color managed software whereas Zoombrowser and Windows Picture and Fax Viewer are not which makes me think that maybe the lighter/washed out version seen in Photoshop is correct. So which version (light or dark) is the accurate one that I should use to view and edit my photos? Thanks in advance for any help or info.

Sorry for the late reply;
But before we go there or make any assumptions, it's important for
you to determine whether you're seeing consistent color in your
color-managed applications and only inconsistent color in those that are
not color-managed. For that you'll need to do a little research to see
if the applications in which you're seeing darker colors have
color-management capability (and whether it is enabled).
I opened the same picture in 7 different applications and found that the 6 of the 7 displayed the photo equally dark with equally high contrast when compared to the 7th application (CS5). The other 6 applications were Zoombrowser EX, Digital Photo Professional, Windows Picture and Fax Viewer, Quicktime PictureViewer, Microsoft Office Picture Manager and Firefox.
However, at least two of these programs offer color management preferences and, when used, display the photo (from what I can tell) exactly the same as Photoshop CS5's default settings. The two programs are two Canon programs: Zoombrowser EX and Digital Photo Professional. Here's the setting that needs to be selected in Zoombrowser in order to match up with CS5 (circled in red):
And here's the setting in Digital Photo Professional that needs to be selected in order to match up with CS5 (again, circled in red):
*Note: When the option above "Monitor Profile" is selected ("Use the OS settings") the image is displayed exactly the same as when the monitor profile is selected. It's only when sRGB is selected that it goes back to the default darker, more contrasty version.
So with the red-circled options selected, all three programs (CS5, ZB, DPP) display the images the same way; lighter and more washed out. What I'm still having trouble understanding is if that ligher, more washed out display is the accurate one or not...I've read several tutorials for all three programs which only make things more confusing. One of the tutorials says to always use sRGB if you want accurate results and *never* to use Monitor Profile and another says that, if you're using a calibrated monitor, you should always select Monitor Profile under the color management settings...so I'm still lost, unfortunately.
What I also don't understand is why, when the monitor profile is selected in CS5, the image is displayed in the dark and contrasty way that the other programs display it as by default but when the monitor profile is selected in Digitial Photo Professional it displays it in the lighter, more washed out way that CS5 displays it using CS5's default settings (sRGB). Why would selecting the monitor profile in DPP display the photo the same way as when sRGB is selected in Photoshop? And vice versa...why would selecting the monitor profile in Photoshop display the photo the same way as when sRGB is selected in DPP?
I feel like I'm missing something obvious here...which I probably am. Again, I'm very new to this stuff so pardon my ignorance on the topic.
By the way, I find that the way that the non-color managed programs (Windows Picture and Fax Viewer et al.) display the photos is more aesthetically pleasing to the eye than the duller, more washed out display that CS5 gives the photos, but ultimately what I want to see in these programs (especially PS5 where I'll be doing the editing) is the accurate representation of the actual photo itself...i.e. what it's supposed to look like and not a darker (or lighter) variant of it.
So just to reiterate my questions:
Why does selecting Monitor Profile under the color management settings in DPP give the same display results as the default sRGB profile in CS5 and vice versa? (CS5 with monitor profile selected having the same display results as DPP with the sRGB profile selected)
When using CS5 with it's default color management settings (sRGB), using DPP with the Monitor Profile selected, and using Zoombrowser EX with "Adjust color of images using monitor profile" selected this results in all three programs displaying the same lighter, washed-out images...is this lighter, more washed-out display of the images shown in these three programs the accurate one?
I noticed when opening an image in Firefox it had the same darker, contrasty look as the other non-color managed applications had. Assuming that the CS5 default settings are accurate, does this mean that if I edit a photo in CS5, save it, and upload it to the internet that other people who are viewing that image online will see it differently than how it's supposed to look (i.e. in a non-color-managed way?) If so, this would seem to indicate that they'd see a less-than-flattering version of the photo since if their browser naturally displays images as darker and more contrasty and I added more darkness and contrast to the image in CS5, they'd be seeing a version of the photo that's far too dark and probably wouldn't look very good. Is this something I have to worry about as well?
I apologize for the lengthy post; I do tend to be a bit OCD about these things...it's a habit I picked up once I realized I'd been improperly editing photos on an incorrectly calibrated monitor for years and all that time and effort had been spent editing photos in a certain way that looked good on my incorrectly calibrated monitor but looked like crap on everyone else's screen, so the length and detail of this post comes from a desire to not repeat similar mistakes by editing photos the wrong way all over again. Again, thanks in advance for all the help, it's greatly appreciated!

Color Management on a Photosmart 510a

I have the Color Munki color management system. It asks me to "disconnect" the color management in my Photosmart 510a.
Have NO clue as to where to do that. Is it by just changing the option to have the "software manage the colors?"
Thanks for info.
Bert

So what you're saying, which is not expressed very well in the very first post in the thread, is that for files saved WITH the sRGB profile, you'd like to see the same thing in Photoshop as you're seeing in a color-managed browser. What I can't fathom why you would want to save files with no embedded profile. Let's make that a separate discussion.
Going on the assumption above, and that you're using Windows 7, here's what you need to do:
1. Your monitor profile (i.e., the one created by your calibrator or which came with your monitor) should be your default profile in Windows. To check this, click the Start button, and type color management into the search box. When Color Management comes up, click it, and look in the Advanced tab.
2. Photoshop's color management should be enabled, and View - Proof Colors menu should be UNchecked. This means Photoshop will transform the RGB values in an image with a given image profile into the proper values for correct display on your monitor. This is your normal mode for editing.
3. Create your web image using the sRGB color profile as your working space.
4. Save it with the sRGB color profile embedded.
5. Display it in Firefox. It should look just the same as it did in Photoshop.
6. Capture the screen showing both images (Photoshop and Firefox) side by side.
7. Paste the captured image into a new document in Photoshop, and ASSIGN your monitor profile to it (because you grabbed it from your monitor). If you have the proper checkbox set in your color management settings, Photoshop will automatically ask you to make this choice when you're pasting the image. It should look just as it did when you captured it.
8. CONVERT the image to the sRGB color profile. You should not see the appearance of the image change.
9. Save this image to a file, complete with the sRGB color profile.
10. Post the image here.
Let me know if anything's not clear, or something doesn't happen as expected.
-Noel

CS3 color management won't match prints

Okay, I know there are a lot of boneheds who can't figure out how to set up color in Bridge and CS3 but I am at my wits end on this so bear me out.
Windows XP and CS3
Bridge is set to; Enable color management in Bridge
RAW conversion is SRGB
CS3 color settings/working space set to SRGB
Print color management is set to SRGB and Photoshop manages colors
Printer is set to "application manages colors" (HP B9180)(btw, I have also tried it set to SRGB)
Image looks the same on Bridge, RAW conversion, CS3 and print screen (dark)Image looks LIGHTER when viewed with any other program (including windows picture and fax viewer, HP print program, Paint Shop Pro and online) and prints to match the lighter image both on my HP and from my lab!
The closest I have been able to get to a total sync is to set Photoshop's color settings to "Monitor color," and uncheck the box in Bridge that says "apply color management settings in Bridge." In that case, Bridge and CS3 produce a lighter image but RAW conversion is still darker. Plus, who the hell wants to use monitor color in Photoshop!?

That's pretty much it David... I could get Photoshop to match my prints but then any other program would show the prints as being waaaay off-color.
Today I bought a spider2express and color balanced my monitor. Now everything seems to look in sync and my prints match very close (a little warm for my tastes..). Tech support at Photoshop told me it was a calibration issue but I thought that was bull... i mean, how can calibration make an image that looks different in two different programs look the same? Well, it does. As far as I understand it now (layman's terms)when you look at an image in windows viewer ot explorer or any other non-color management program you are looking at the image based on your monitor profile. When you look at the same image in photoshop the program uses it's own color management which then gets filtered through your monitor program to your eyes (but not to the printer). If your monitor profile is bad, the image looks bad.
Or something like that :)

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