Host preferred credentials suddenly not working

Windows 11GR2 on Windows 2008 64 bit
For some reason I am getting failures in dbconsole, I double check all my host credentials etc., part of dba groups, part of log on as a batch job etc. are all ok.
Everything was working fine.
Now I try to clone this database (or do anything involving jobs) to a test database on same server and I get errors. I go to database preferred credentials and enter in domain\username / password and get errors, one will say "Connection to servername.domain as user domain\user failed. Next time I will get an error saying internal error check logfile - WHICH LOGFILE?
Everything was working fine until recently, then just stopped. Oracles solution is to drop and recreate entire repository, but I can't take the downtime to put database in quiesce mode.
<rant>Oracle, do us a favor, +please put fully functional 9i version of OEM back as an option!+ There is nothing I dislike more that spending HOURS AND HOURS trying to debug a bloody TOOL that's supposed to make "database administration" so easy! I spend far more time working on this piece of crap user interface than I do on the database.. </end rant>
I feel better (almost)

Looked at the various log and trc files, nothing that I can see helps me. Also, in my OP I forgot to mention that in the services screen it shows neither databases dbconsole service as running, yet I can open dbconsole for either of them, and everything works except submitting jobs.
emca status dbconsole command show this:
C:\$orascripts>emctl status dbconsole
Oracle Enterprise Manager 11g Database Control Release 11.2.0.1.0
Copyright (c) 1996, 2010 Oracle Corporation. All rights reserved.
https://winms-oradb1.millsite.net:5500/em/console/aboutApplication
EM Daemon is not running.

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