How are chapter markers implemented within QT?

Imagine a folder on a USB stick full of files – some may be stills, some videos. I want to be able to play them in sequence at the press of a button, just like an old-fashioned slide show.
Keynote seems to be a possibility, but before I buy Keynote I would have to download and upgrade to Mavericks. So I want to be fairly certain before I take this major step, that Keynote and QT can do everything I want.
I have posted a similar query in the Keynote forum (https://discussions.apple.com/message/26056146?ac_cid=op123456#26056146), but here I want to focus on the QT aspect.
My Slide Show
Imagine a simple sequence in Keynote, 5 seconds per slide, 2-second dissolve, set to Manual advance (meaning the slide show only advances at the press of a button). The sequence is:
Still A
Video
Still B
My slide show would consist of:
Still A comes on screen and stops
I press the button and Still A dissolves into Video and plays. Video freeze-frames at end.
I press the button and the freeze-frame dissolves into Still B and stops.
QT Timeline
When exported from Keynote to QT, I assume the QT timeline would look something like this:
Still A
Two seconds of dissolve between Still A and the video.
Video
Still of last frame of video
Two seconds of dissolve between last frame of video and Still B
Still B
I can't work out how QT could control the navigation. What I would like to know is how chapter markers work. Are there a variety of markers? Or just one that a user can jump to, and from that point play is automatic? Is there a marker that stops play? I've tried googling, but no luck. A link to details about QT markers and how I can control them would be most appreciated.
Ques
Is my slide show possible in QT?

I'm in the same boat. I want a standalone presentation that doesn't require a native application such as Keynote or PowerPoint and that is not system dependant (ie, it works on mac windoze and linux).
In the old days (pre mavericks) Quicktime 7 did this no problem but since the most recent version of QT, this ability has been stripped from the program (as far as I can tell..) Why would Keynote export to QT, when the main feature in QT that enables clickable presentations is gone, is a mystery.
An alternative is to download version 7 of QTplayer if you are only presenting on your mac. I don't know if the Windows versions of QT have retained the click/chapter headings function or not.
I would like to know if it is possible to enalbe this in the current version of QT or if there is an alternative player that will allow this function?

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Yes, I understand the distinction about where to put the chapters markers.
I do put them on the timeline in a sequence. And there they are marked. I can open them and see that they are marked as <CHAPTER>. If I then export this sequence sure enough iDVD sets up scenes to select from.
My problem is when I build start putting sequences next to each other in my main timeline/squence. I hope that's clear. It would look something like this:
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