HVX 24p timeline and 60p

Simply, I'm editing a documentary and we're shooting in 720p 24PN with the HVX. I setup my timeline accordingly, and despite my coaching them, the two guys who hired me still come back with 720 60p footage from time to time.
By default, when I drop the 60p footage into the timeline, it's black. When rendered, it's choppy.
I know there is an calculative explanation for this but the numbers are confusing me - I'm looking for the best way to take that 60p footage into the 24p timeline and have it play at normal speed.
Also, an aside that I thought of. When I'm ready to actually use 720 60p for slow motion, how do I achieve this in a 24p timeline? I've found a few explanations after a brief search and apologize if it should have been more apparent to me, but I'm still not quite grasping it.
This is my first foray into P2 and MXF. I am using Raylight from DVFilm as well, so my clips are referenced as you may know, and not imported traditionally through final cut.
Thank you!

It will look a little choppy...in comparison to the actual 24p footage. You can try the Standards Converter from www.nattress.com and see if that does a better job. Demo is available.
As for the Slow Motion, you need to use the DVCPRO HD Frame Rate Converter tool in the TOOLS menu. HOWEVER, you need to have actual quicktime files I think...not sure if this will work with Raylight. You can try. I do know that the end result will be a quictime file.
Tutorial:
http://library.creativecow.net/articles/rossshane/dvprohd/video-tutorial.php
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