HVX footage always need rendering

Hi folks. I'm new to using the HVX200. This is probably a bonehead question, but hopefully someone can help me out. I import the footage from the P2 cards, and all if fine, however, every time I drop some footage onto the timeline, I need to render the entire thing. It's fine in the preview window, but on the timeline, all needs rendering. The footage was shot 720P at 24fps. I've meddled with every setting for the timeline. None seem to work. I figure it should be DVC PRO 720p, or something close to that, but none work. Do I have to run the stuff through compressor or something? Sorry for the dumb question, but any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

EASY SETUPS.
Choose the DVCPRO HD 720p24 Easy Setup...create a new sequence. Use that sequence.
Shane

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The Red footage is has 4:4:4 subsampling, so HQ's the way to go.
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Dear Sir/Mdm,
I'm a novice, please bear with me.
I'm using an Asus laptop with:
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     3. RAM: 8 GB
     4. DirectX: Version 11
     5. On-board Graphics: Intel HD 4000
     6. Dedicated Graphics: GeForce GT 740M
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