I Love Freehand
After working with Illustrator CS3 since it came out, I went
back to Freehand MX to do a business form and was reminded how
elegant and beautiful Freehand really is.
The selection tool, editable round corners, guides on it's
own layer, paste inside etc . are only a fantasy with Illustrator.
Maybe with CS5, they will catch up with the present version of my
darling Freehand. Adobe is making a HUGE mistake by dropping this
beautiful software.
I know that Freehand is dead, but it does not deserve to
die.
The Kitchen-Aid / French knife analogy I can buy.
The "ever faithful to my poor invalid wife" metaphor is,
well, just bizzare. And it will be viewed as bizzare by people on
both sides of the AI / FH divide (which shouldn't even be a
divide). It miserably fails to explain anything objectively
meaningful about FH's advantages to anyone who can exert influence
on the matter: Adobe staffers or Illustrator users. They are just
as "passionate" (though perhaps less literally) about AI. So who
can yell (or in this case, weep) the loudest bears no effect.
But that said, I don't think the French knife analogy really
fits, either, only for this reason: It paints FH as the less
technologically-sophisticated of the two. That's one of the
problems I perceive among AI-only users. They often mistake
complication for sophistication, when in fact, FH's interface in
most commonly-needed functions is *both* more capable and simpler.
That is the essence of true sophistication: It's about functional
elegance.
The fact is, most AI-proficient users who have never
developed proficiency in FH really do not know how much less
tedious things can be. So they are much more tolerant of needless
tedium because they think it the norm. They think it a necessary
evil.
I'd be wasting my breath here to list examples--that's better
done in the AI forum where the effort might actually have some
impact. So I'll just give the one most obvious example: FH's one
pointer has always been able to do more, do it easier, and do it
with more logical consistency, than AI's two. That's one of the
primary interface differences--not because of the presence or
absense of complicated features like Brushes, or raster Effects;
but because selection is absolutely bedrock foundational in any
object-oriented graphics program. The selection interface and logic
affects ease-of-use in *everything*. In FH, selection is both
simpler and more sophisticated.
So that's why I cringe a little whenever someone paints a FH
vs. AI analogy as a comparison between a complicated vs. a simple
tool. Neither is a simple tool. It's not the difference between a
rock-reliable hatchet and a table saw. It's the difference between
two table saws, one of which is simply built to higher quality,
usability, accuracy, versatility, and practicality standards.
Cutting tools is a particularly interesting choice of
metaphor. In your analogy, you would still have to admit that the
Kitchen Aid, despite its greater complication, can do alot more
slicing and dicing in less time than even the most carefully honed
French knife. So at least a production environment would argue in
favor of the Kitchen Aid. But the pro-FH argument is one that
argues in favor of *both* easier use *and* greater efficiency. When
it comes to cutting tools, AI doesn't even *have* a French Knife
*or* a Kitchen Aid. It has a pair of rusty scissors and a downright
neurotic, broken Exacto knife that doesn't know what an open path
is.
JET
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R.I.P. FreeHand
The depth of my hatred for Adobe tonight is nearly boundless.
Like most longtime FreeHand users, I greeted Adobe's purchase of
FreeHand with a sense of foreboding and dismay. I hoped that Adobe
would continue to support and develop this extraordinary drawing
tool. Stupid me. FreeHand ran circles around that lumpy piece of
junk called Illustrator. Always did, always will. Macromedia knew
this when they bought FreeHand from Aldus (Remember them? Aldus
pretty much invented desktop publishing), eons ago, way back in the
1990s. And then Adobe got so big and powerful that the FTC allowed
Adobe to buy FreeHand and gut Macromedia's dead carcass. Corporate
feeding frenzies rule our nasty, modern world.
FreeHand MX 11.0.x was working well up to or around Mac OSX
10.2.x. I recently bit the bullet and "upgraded" to OSX 10.4.x (aka
"Tiger" -- argh, Apple, ditch the cat names, OK? Since most of
those big cats are on the brink of extinction, naming your flagship
OS after an endangered species is a weird, ironic marketing
choice).
All hell has broken loose since I "upgraded." Simply turning
on FreeHand's "snap to grid" and turning it off again is now
impossible. Adobe offers a lame "TechNotes" workaround that doesn't
truly work.
Adobe doesn't care. And why should it? Adobe only wants us
all to buy their version of some fabulous next new thing -- like
"CS" (aka "Creative Suite" -- an Orwellian doublethink marketing
campaign if ever there was one). Adobe is nothing more than another
money-grubbing corporate nightmare. Customer loyalty and
trustworthy products don't figure in Adobe's bottom line... let
alone respect or commitment to the venerable art of graphic design.
I used to love getting up in the morning. I used to love
turning on my Mac and making art. I thought I was the luckiest man
in the world! I could make art and design and pay my bills! Stupid
naive me.
Hours of my life melted away forever this afternoon. I'll
never get them back. I was just trying to make some graphic design
for a paying client. For every five minutes I spend on an idea
these days, I spend an hour or so trying to make software express
it. The ratio of art to product is crazy... especially considering
the stupid amount of money Adobe charges for products that never do
what Adobe says they'll do. It's all snake oil and trickery.
I wish I could go back to FreeHand 3.1. It was a brilliant
piece of software. R.I.P. FreeHand. Rest in peace. Shame on Adobe.
Shame. I'm tired and sad tonight, and my deadline is shot to hell.
I used to make digital art, but now I'm just another digital ditch
digger. Just another consumer, hooked on this never-ending heroin
spiral of "upgrade" after never-ending "upgrade."
I looked at the very first serious drawing I ever made with a
vector drawing program (FreeHand 2.0) tonight. You can see it
here. From a
purely technical point of view, it's not a bad drawing... and the
technology that made it possible is gone forever. Bought and sold
by the jerks who own the code.
OK. I'm done with this rant. Thanks for reading it. I guess
I'll go check my email now... an inbox full of more image-based
spam peddling pump 'n dump stock market scams. I used to love the
'net, almost as much as I used to love drawing with FreeHand.Greetings and thanks to everyone who's posted to this thread.
Interesting insights and opinions here. Special thanks to those of
you who sent private messages of condolence and support via my
site. I took a few days off and I'm feeling a little better.
I stopped in here off and on and decided to wade in again
with what will probably be another longwinded epic-style post. I
tend toward verbosity, especially with a subject like this. In
addition to raising my blood pressure a notch or two, the subject
of FreeHand's demise sparks some passion in me. This will be a long
post because I want to attempt clarity. Clarity sometimes takes
time.
Navale's post regarding the fact that Adobe charges full
price for a broken FreeHand is spot on, as is darrel's car
metaphor. If GM sold a car, and the engine exploded when a buyer
first turned the key, well, that would be the lead story on the
evening news. Congress would launch an investigation. I think
there's a federal law somewhere that requires carmakers to make
parts available for 10 years after a car is released to the public.
I could be wrong, but I think that's true. Anyway, there's no
parallel in the software world... no protection for consumers. It's
buyer beware and blame the consumer if things don't work as
advertised. While the speed of software development makes a ten
year 'parts' guarantee impractical, I don't think some sort of
mandated guarantee of maybe 3 years is unreasonable.
I appreciate Judy Arndt's post. "Keep in mind that if Adobe
is going to put it's logo on a FreeHand box, the product is going
to have to live up to Adobe standards." Well said, Judy. As for the
EPS, PDF, OpenType, and "old code" issues, well, I could discuss
that at greater length later. The short version is that there are
workarounds which worked prior to Mac OSX 10.4. Adobe's FreeHand
product page states that FreeHand is compatible with Mac OSX 10.4.
I took that statement to be true, without following the "emerging
issues" link. Stupid me. I took Adobe at it's word without reading
the fine money grubbing print.
Adobe has a major PR problem with FreeHand and chooses to
blow it off. Frankly, this astonishes me. Maybe Adobe thinks we'll
just fade away. Maybe Adobe is correct in that assumption. For
better or worse, Adobe now owns FreeHand. FreeHand is a spectacular
vector drawing tool (and I still contend that it runs circles
around Illustrator -- old code and all -- don't even get me started
about Illustrator's lumpy old legacy code). There's a market for
FreeHand and no more competition (thank you FTC; nice to know
you're watching out for consumers -- not).
I know no figures on the number of people who use (and maybe
even love) FreeHand, but I suspect it's easily in the hundreds of
thousands... maybe even millions. Why would Adobe abandon a product
it now owns and shun a substantial market? Maybe it's just
corporate spite? The trouble is, we just don't know. Adobe is
silent. There's a major communication break between Adobe and
FreeHand users. I want somebody at Adobe to tell us the truth...
either Adobe will support and develop FreeHand or ignore and
therefore kill it. I want to read a letter on Adobe's FreeHand web
page from somebody in a position to tell me what the hell is going
on with a product in which I've invested thousands of dollars and
thousands of files... a product I still want to buy.
Quick note to doentz here: Yeah, I loved Fontographer too.
Call me paranoid if you like, but I sometimes think Fontographer
was way too brilliant to be allowed to exist in a market-driven
world where Adobe owns just about every font and there's no room
for people to freely make and distribute their own creations. From
Adobe's point of view, such freedom is way too dangerous.
Capitalism run amok.
Curtcarto's post was interesting. Yes, software development
always takes time. I know this; I've seen it first hand... and
maybe that's what's going on with Adobe FreeHand. The point is, we
don't know! All indications from Adobe don't look good. Adobe is
silent. Adobe still charges full price for a broken FreeHand, but
doesn't list it in its main Products page (you have to dig to the
"view all products" link). If an updated version of FreeHand will
indeed join Adobe's product line - with full support and commitment
- you'd never know it by cruising through Adobe's corporate site.
R.I.P. FreeHand.
Argh. I'm gonna stop typing pretty soon. I'm tired and sad.
Before I go, I want to post a little more background about my life
with FreeHand. Maybe this will help readers understand why I'm so
passionate about FreeHand.
I became aware of FreeHand way back around 1986 - shortly
after Aldus PageMaker launched a revolutionary concept called
"desktop publishing." Prior to that, I made art the old fashioned
way... you know, I threw paint at a canvas or scribbled stuff on
real live paper with pen and ink and oil pastels. I beta-tested
FHv.7 for some of the guys who wrote the original FreeHand code. I
bought FreeHand v1.0 and later used v2.0 at a design firm that
employed me to make illustrations for their clients.
With FreeHand v3.1, Aldus nailed the interface and features.
It was a stunning and elegant piece of work. It made Illustrator
look like the junky copycat it is to this very day. If Adobe
offered a Mac OSX compatible version of FreeHand 3.1, I'd buy it in
two seconds flat. Adobe could market it as "FreeHand Lite" - heh.
And then things started getting ugly and convoluted.
Illustrator was emerging as a serious competitor in the vector art
world, while Aldus was loosing track of everything that made it
great. Too many cooks in the kitchen... it happens all the time.
The dot com bubble started to pop and nobody gave a flying fart
about art and vision or related nonsense. It was all about money.
I beta-tested FreeHand 4.0 (which was code named "Roadrunner"
at the time). It was a wreck... a screaming, flaming car crash. It
pulled the rug out from under every user who had invested time and
money and trust in FreeHand. I told the development team that if it
was released as written, loyal customers would scream bloody
murder, jump ship and buy Illustrator. I said, "If your intention
is to kill FreeHand, release this version immediately."
By this time, Aldus was dead. Macromedia owned Freehand and
released it as FreeHand 5.0. Loyal FreeHand customers screamed
bloody murder, jumped ship and bought Illustrator. FreeHand's
market share (not to mention its art and vision) was a sad memory.
Macromedia dorked around with FreeHand for a decade or so.
Version 5 was pretty dismal, but almost useable. By version 7, it
was almost OK. By versions 9 and 10, it was almost interesting.
Through all these versions, Macromedia didn't fix the stuff that
didn't work in previous versions... they just tacked on new
"features" nobody wanted and nobody used. Illustrator followed the
same development path, but by this time it was too late for
FreeHand. Illustrator ruled.
A buddy of mine just sent me an email. His message punched
through... one of two legitimate emails and 56 spams. He said:
"Maybe its time to start associating Adobe with Microsoft in
software's "Evil Overlord" category."
Argh. Welcome to the future. Adobe launches a new marketing
tool called "Adobe Youth Voices" on its home page. Socially
conscious work that can only be expressed by kids who buy Adobe
products. It's all so sick. -
Something Strange happen with my FreeHand - see if you know why?
Hi All,
Not sure if anyone here have been experiencing what I am about to show.
The font MyriadPro suddenly become like this... see attachment.
Why?
JackHi Maeric,
No worries, my problem cannot be solve if I keep it to myself and everyone else do the same. We have to come out of our shell and be counted so we will know how many of us are out there in the same boat. When you spend so many years mastering a software like FreeHand and knowing how productive and efficient it has been, it is heart breaking to know we can't do much as individual to save it from the Giant palm of Adobe to thumb it down.
This latest set back fortunately is not isolated to only FreeHand but instead it is got something to do with Open Fonts.
For the time being I will just use Postscript fonts.
I am still hanging on to FreeHand for as long as it can still run and hopefully someone come out with a brilliant idea to revive it.
I am not give up yet.
I will always believe in FreeHand and will always love FreeHand
Thank you
Jack Png -
Mac OS 10.7, Rosetta, and Freehand MX
I've heard that in a few months, Mac will release Lion without the Rosetta support. This would mean that Freehand MX, a very powerful, user friendly graphic design application, would be totally killed. There are lots of Mac user designers out there who prefer Freehand MX over Adobe Illustrator. We love the Mac OS, we love Freehand MX, and we love things just as they are. We don't want to use Illustrator and we definitely would not want to run virtual Windows to use Freehand. It's bad enough that Adobe dropped FHMX. And now this?
I'm hoping that there will be a solution soon or else we'll be stuck on Mac OS 10.6.6 (since 10.6.7 messes up the fonts).
Please, Apple. Don't make things harder for loyal Mac/Freehand users.
Thanks!Jules,
thanks for bringing a little civility to the discussion. I post very rarely on these forums and if I got responses like the one from Thomas my involvment would be even less. Dave, the fight is continuing with FreeFreehand as Jules points out, Apple may not be the villain here but there support would go a long way. Despite Thomas' nihilistic reply there is a strong Freehand user base continuing to produce fantastic work on a daily basis, and the 6000+ membership of FreeFreehand would I think be a small percentage of that.
I'm affraid the solution (to your question) at the moment is to just hang in there with 10.6.8 and Freehand MX and hope that sooner rather than later Adobe sets freehand free. We live in hope. -
I need some help!
I've been using Freehand v 11.0.2 for some time now, but recently I was having issues with my copies of Windows and installed Windows 7 Home Premium, 64-bit and reinstalled the same Freehand disc. The program opens fine but when I click File and try to browse for something or am lucky enough to open a file and try to save it, I get the following error message:
"Freehand MX.exe has stopped working", followed by "A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available".
The program crashes.
I read online that 11.0.2 is compatabile up to XP, but others say it works fine on Windows 7 Home. Could there be a program conflicting with this? Just curious.
Any help would be appreciated.
I really love Freehand and need to use it again.We are currently investigating the cause of the crash.
A temporary workaround is to uninstall and reinstall Adobe Reader (instead of updating it to 11.2.0).
How to uninstall and reinstall Adobe Reader for Android
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Freehand is a wonderful software!
Freehand is a wonderful software!
I think freehand is a wonderful software! But Adobe would not
support it. I feel sad.
Illustrator could open the freehand file luckly. but I also
love freehand mx !> Freehand is a wonderful software!
>
> I think freehand is a wonderful software! But Adobe
would not support it.
> I
> feel sad.
>
> Illustrator could open the freehand file luckly. but I
also love freehand
> mx !
Sounds like something I'd hear a a poetry slam. ;o)
-Darrel -
I have this thing about Software. I'm supportive of
Macromedia and now Adobe. I've done dtp with Freehand - then
progressed to the web and found Fireworks, Flash and Dreamweaver. I
have allegiance to the Macromedia line, and as well to Corel. (I'm
Canadian)
I find unfortunately and sadly, that the products I've
learned for years are starting to fade. Freehand is almost, if not
gone. Fireworks is looking at a new version. Flash will be around
for a while; and Dreamweaver will replace Go Live. (personal
opinion).
My dilema - everywhere I go it's - Photoshop, Photoshop this,
Photoshop that, Photoshop / imageready, "get a job and you have to
use Photoshop and Adobe" - if you're going to web - must have
Imageready for rollover effects.
I'm 52 years of age, and don't want to spend another $2ooo
for a creative suite that does print and web. I have daughters in
University with Macs, using Open Office. I know you've all heard my
drum beating before - but does anyone feel like me ??
Software was always a freedom of choice; as Apple vrs MS is.
I'm reaching some of my most creative years, and many "salt and
pepper hairs" are too. Corel supports PDF - MS does not. Word 2007
will not. Wordperfect does. We still have freedom of choice in word
processors, and spreadsheets, but slowly I'm backing up into a
corner with graphics ??
Does anyone feel the same way ? And if you do tell me what
you're doing. If I must learn (insert Adobe product here) then I
will. But where are the graphic choices ??
Bill
Expresiv DesignsBill Wood wrote:
> I have this thing about Software. I'm supportive of
Macromedia and
> now Adobe. I've done dtp with Freehand -
FreeHand is not and never was a DTP app. It's an
illustration/drawing
app with a very unique multiple pages implementation that is
geared and
suited to drawing work (like creating multiple versions of a
client
logo, a letterhead template and/or envelope templates all in
the same
document). It still has a pasteboard/canvas size that is
similar to
Illustrator's (it,s a little bigger but not that much).
FreeHand's multi
page implementation is alike to scattering sheets of paper
around on a
desk or on the floor. Eventually you'll run out of room. What
is unique
is that you can create different pages of any sizes and
orientation. By
comparison, DTP apps like QuarkXPrress or InDesign (and even
word
processors like MS Word or OOo Writer) treat pages like an
infinite
stack. You need one more page then you just add it. You'll
never run out
of "space" because good DTP and word processing app will
"stream" the
pages into memory as you need them. It's a very different
kind of
workflow. Furthermore, FreeHand will slow to a crawl if you
link/flow
too many text boxes together (it doesn't take many) while DTP
apps are
optimized for this and will not slow down because of this.
> then progressed to the web and found Fireworks, Flash
and
> Dreamweaver. I have allegiance to the Macromedia line,
and as well
> to Corel. (I'm Canadian)
Ah Corel... ;-) I'm Canadian as well but I have no love for
Corel apps.
Their interfaces don't agree with me at all and I cannot get
anything
done with them.
> I find unfortunately and sadly, that the products I've
learned for
> years are starting to fade. Freehand is almost, if not
gone.
The thing is, FreeHand will keep working on your Windows
machine for a
long time to come so even if it's not updated anymore it
won't suddenly
stop working. It has some annoying issues but it still works
well for me.
> My dilema - everywhere I go it's - Photoshop, Photoshop
this,
> Photoshop that, Photoshop / imageready, "get a job and
you have to
> use Photoshop and Adobe" - if you're going to web - must
have
> Imageready for rollover effects.
Those people could learn a thing or too and get a clue by
reading the
following ;-)
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/fireworks/articles/why_fireworks.html
> I'm 52 years of age, and don't want to spend another
$2ooo for a
> creative suite that does print and web. I have daughters
in
> University with Macs, using Open Office. I know you've
all heard my
> drum beating before - but does anyone feel like me ??
You don't have to buy the whole suite. No one can force you
to stop
using Fireworks and move to a less efficient 3 apps juggling
workflow
(see above article). For DTP work on the other hand, InDesign
is the
best application by far and would serve you much better than
FreeHand
for that kind of work. Illustrator is worth learning because,
like it or
not, it is the industry standard and it does do a lot of
things better
than FreeHand. Both apps could "learn" a lot from each other.
I started
with Illustrator but I really love FreeHand too. Bottom line
is, if you
need to do print work then you may just need to buy
Illustrator and
InDesign. But as great as Fireworks is, Photoshop is still
the best at
raw bitmap image editing and Fireworks does not do print at
all (no
CMYK, etc). Getting the suite at that point would make sense.
It's
pricey but it's quality software.
> Software was always a freedom of choice; as Apple vrs MS
is. I'm
> reaching some of my most creative years, and many "salt
and pepper
> hairs" are too. Corel supports PDF - MS does not. Word
2007 will not.
> Wordperfect does. We still have freedom of choice in
word
> processors, and spreadsheets, but slowly I'm backing up
into a corner
> with graphics ??
I wouldn't qualify FreeHand's (unconfirmed) disappearance as
being
backed up in a corner. There are alternatives (Illustrator,
Canvas,
DrawPlus, etc). As for office apps, I use OpenOffice more
than MS
Office, especially Writer. OpenOffice is high quality
software and well
worth taking the time to learn it... and it does PDF natively
too.
> Does anyone feel the same way ? And if you do tell me
what you're
> doing. If I must learn (insert Adobe product here) then
I will. But
> where are the graphic choices ??
I use both Macromedia Studio 8 and Adobe Creative Suite 2. I
could not
do all that I do without both. Fireworks was the first
Macromedia app I
bought... got it standalone long before the suites/studio
packages). The
first graphics app I dabbled with was Photoshop (3.05 if
memory serves)
but I much preferred vector apps and Illustrator is the first
graphics
app I learned in depth. It and Fireworks are the two I still
use the
most. Fireworks for all my Web graphics layout design work
and
Illustrator for my work at a screen printing company.
FreeHand MX is
used for all kinds of things from specific drawing tasks
where its
toolset is stronger than Illustrator's and also for short
multipage docs
like Web site documentation (wireframes, flow charts and site
diagrams).
InDesign is a new addition to my workflow but I use it to
create
specifications documents for the screen printing company I
work at and
to create business collateral (letterhead, envelopes
invoices) for my
one man Web design shop. I think choices are wider than ever
but costs
are certainly going up... You can save on your next MS Office
license by
switching to OpenOffice though... ;-)
Cheers and hang in there!
Stéphane Bergeron
reach:connect:communicate
www.webfocusdesign.com
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www.pixelyzed.com -
Will Yosemite OS support Freehand MX? I have been wary about upgrading operating systems (currently running OS 10.6.8 on an iMac) because I love Freehand MX. Illustrator does not provide options Freehand does. Anyone have any ideas about this? Thanks.
It's highly unlikely that it works. But check at: App Compatibility Table - RoaringApps.
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I've just switched from Freehand and I'm going to have a heart attack ...
In two weeks, my tech department is ripping Freehand MX off of my machine and I'll be finally forced to use Illustrator.
I know it is going to take a bit of time to get used to Illustrator after using Freehand for the past 15 years, but if someone out there can help me with two questions, I'd sure appreciate it because the Adobe help files aren't as helpful as I'd hoped. (Adobe: screen captures are a useful visual guide when I can't find the "t-slider" and have no idea what it might look like ...)
1. How do you adjust the tint of a color? Apparently there's supposed to be a "t-slider" in the color palette. Perhaps mine isn't visible for reasons unfathomable, but if I create a color and I want to use 10 percent of that color as a tint, I don't want to whip out a calculator and drag each of the CMYK sliders accordingly. I want to use the feature Freehand had, where you type in "8" in the tint box and voila, you've got 8 percent. InDesign has this feature, so I know Adobe knows about it. Where is the tint slider in Illustrator? (I don't want to change its transparency, I did find that palette easily enough ...)
2. If I paste in a graphic from Freehand into Illustrator, everything comes over on one layer. That's annoying, but understandable. But I can't select parts of the graphic and assign them to new layers, they remain firmly on the first layer they were pasted on unless I copy each item, delete the original, click on my new target layer and paste it on that way -- and then, it doesn't paste perfectly back into place, it moves randomly around the page and I have to reposition it. ARGH! How can you reassign layers without cutting and pasting? Clicking doesn't work. What am I doing wrong?
Many, many thanks in advance from a *very* frustrated designer. If I thought I could secretly reinstall Freehand on my machine without tech hunting it down and ripping it out again, I wouldn't be fretting about such things ...Doug, you gave me the first giggle I've had since I opened this blasted program, so thanks for that.
I'd love to keep secretly installing Freehand, because you can save your finished work as an Illustrator file, and I could then open it in Illustrator CS3, save the final as a CS3 EPS file and nobody would be the wiser ... except my tech department is prone to periodic look-sees on everyone's machines, there was a massive freakout that went all the way to the publisher's office when they discovered I'd installed .... wait for it .... free fonts on my machine that weren't part of the Adobe package they bought. In the end I had to yank the fonts out, despite showing them the read-me files that came with the fonts that expressly permitted usage in commercial applications. It's a very controlled environment. I now have 12 days left to start converting all my files ...
The good news is I'm pretty sure they're going to hurl the Freehand install disc at my head when they rip it out of my work station, so I can put it on my home iMac, where I'm still running Tiger. Now to convince them to let me work from home ...
Thanks again to everyone for all the advice,
~michelle -
A request from an ex-FreeHand user
Dear V.P. John Loiacono,
Your new Illustrator CS5 announcement has some appreciated new features like perspective drawing, reordering artboards, outputting specific artboard pages, improved paste inside, and stroke enhancements. This edition is bringing more for Illustrator users to love and thanks to you, David Macy, and the AI team. As a former FreeHand user, I appreciate seeing those features make it into Illustrator.
With this new announcement, there are still FreeHand users crying for their old program. It’s been 4+ years and they obviously are not going to like whatever enhancements you add for them. Yes, I made the switch but I’ve come to understand that not everyone will do it. Old habits die hard especially when it comes to workflow and deadlines. So, maybe giving them back their old program isn’t such a bad idea and I have a suggestion. You have some experience with open-source from your days at Sun Microsystems, like Star Office and Solaris. Sun apparently was able to balance profit and community participation so why don’t you open source FreeHand under the Adobe banner and pipeline any new features into AI? We can get more features created for Illustrator and still have the integration with the rest of the CS applications. The FreeHand users get their old program back and maybe learn and appreciate Illustrator in the process.
Adobe is always better when it has a little competition to keep you on your toes. At this point nothing can touch Illustrator in market share and it’s been the industry standard for years. So, if you don’t want to go the open-source route, then sell off FreeHand. We have all it’s features anyway and what damage could a small developer do to AI’s market share?
Sincerely,
(your name here)
Ex-FreeHand users, do you agree? While the above letter was written only as a viewpoint for former FreeHand users, we at Free FreeHand.org would appreciate if you'll join us in a special project, if only for sentiments sake. This week, personal letters and postcards are being mailed to Adobe from around the world asking for the above message to happen; give FH a future. Vice President John Loiacono is a good man and your support by writing him your personal message is appreciated.
FreeHand was your beginning, even if Illustrator is now your present. Consider it and many thanks!
Mail your request to:
John Loiacono
Adobe Systems Incorporated
345 Park Avenue
San Jose, California 95110-2704CS5 Illustrator has reordering artboards? I'm glad to hear it--I was just cussing at CS4 this morning for it's inability to pull of this most basic of expectations. I had to do all kinds of moving things around just to get around the shortcoming and create a pdf with pages in the right order! It would've been that or reordering pages in Acrobat Pro, and both options had me grumbling. Tell me, does each new page have the rulers reset so it respects the page you created, instead of referring back to the first page when you created a new document? This is another thing that's been driving me nuts. FreeHand always had so much intelligence around the reordering and rulers aspect of multipaging.
I'll get behind your proposal. There's much to miss about FreeHand's speed and ease of use. -
Installing Freehand 11 on mac os 10.8.2
Dear forum,
I just bought Freehand 11, surprisingly I cannot install it on my Imac intel based.
After searching , Freehand is a dead application which Adobe didn't care at all.
Is there anyway I can use Freehand?
Is there a legal statement that mention Adobe support on Freehand product?
Is it true that Rosetta can't work on mac os 10.8.2?
Ooh my head is start to crack...
Please give me some info.
Regards
IndraYes, you can still use FreeHand 11 in OSX 10.8.2 but you have to add a few things first. Mavericks doesn't include Rosetta so you will need two software programs; Parallels and Snow Leopard Server: 1-800-MYAPPLE.
Below, is this post from the FreeHandForums site on how to set up FreeHand with 10.8.2 Mavericks:
Like all Free FreeHand member, I love FH. I can make it do things that seem impossible for any other design application. I have tried all the workarounds to keep using FH (upgrading my 2000 Ethernet G4 to setting up a partition on my MBP to keep Snow Leopard and FH). Rebooting my Mac is really a pain; going back and forth between two computers is better, but still not like the "Good Old (Snow Leopard) Days" and can't be done when I am out of the office with my MBP.
Thanks to my son, I learned that Newegg.com had a special where Parallels 8 was basically free ($19.99 with a $20 rebate). Upon installing Parallels, I learned-to my dismay-that Snow Leopard could not be used in a virtual machine due to licensing issues. Parallels does allow Leopard Server and Snow Leopard Server. But who has that old software which cost between $300 and $500 in it Day?
After my initial excitement, I was really bummed out. All reading this understand.
Then, thanks to macintouch.com, I learned that Apple was selling Snow Leopard Server for $19.99, plus shipping. This unadvertised special is only available by phone, (800) MYAPPLE. Apple will ask if you plan to use the application for business, personal or education. The deliver date was 3-5 weeks out, but it arrived in two weeks. This server package comes with unlimited license.
I installed FH and then create a Macromedia folder inside the Application Support Folder, which is in the Library folder, and place my FreeHand MXa Registration file from my G4 in it.
Bingo, I am back in business with FH. I suggest having 8 mgs of RAM or more. I set up the virtual machine's dock on the left side of the screen and turned off hiding as my MBP dock is at the bottom of the screen. Can't have both at the bottom.
Also, I added all my fonts to the Snow Leopard virtual machine's font folder. It does not recognize the fonts on the Mac.
If you have not installed a Mac server, do not worry. It installs a lot of stuff you will never use on a virtual machine. Really who cares as long as FH runs seemlessly?
The only challenge I have encountered so far, is that on one Mac Mini, I can run in what Parallels calls "Full Coherence" but on my MBP, I can't. This means the virtual machine works as just another app and FH act as though it is running on Maverick, including cut and paste. I am sure I made a mistake in setting the MacBookPro Leopard virtual machine. I will figure it out.
This is a long-winded explanation of how I am now running FH on my MBP with Maverick operating system, but I wanted to be thorough. Plus, I can now run a number of useful legacy applications Apple had abandoned with the demise of Rosetta. And it only cost me $20.50. I hope this help some forum members.
By sebright » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:51 am
http://freehandforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2067
Be sure to see the link above for the full discussion as there is more.
Besides Parallels, you can use VMWare Fusion and the free VirtualBox. Also don't forget that the registration process was changed by Adobe and a Universal Serial # was issued: FHD110-58402-67227-68568 > Error: Unable to Activate | Macromedia products
Hope this helps and let us all know how it works for you! -
I wanted to remind everyone that the page is doing some good.
We do have a lot of signatures, and the counter shows well over
3,000 visits. All we need to do is to keep letting people know that
the page is out there. FH Addict, I really appreciated your efforts
in getting the Mac websites in France to mention the page. It
brought a lot of visitors! We need some North American people to do
the same for the US!
I also want to say it's nice how respected the page
is...aside from a few comments that needed to be deleted. It's
great to see FreeHand praised without having to trash the
competition!
And thanks to someone who finally posted from my home state
of Connecticut here in the US! Other users from there please post
your comments too!
One other thing (sorry for the length). I would like to do a
font celebrating what FreeHand can do. I would like to have
contributions from others on this board (dg, Judy, Bembelembe, FH
Addict and others) for this font. I couldn't pay any of you, as the
sale of the font would go toward increasing the bandwidth of my
website and finally starting the gallery of FreeHand images online.
Would any of you be interested in contributing to a font like this?
I would give you credit on my webpage. You can see an example of a
font I did using FreeHand at
http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/enrich/rich-dingbats-and-bursts/
i am in the process of building the webpage for submissions but
just wanted your thoughts on it.
I just think it would be nice to have a font that shows what
FreeHand is capable of.I grew to love fh so much that the thought of it leaving the
scene is too much for words. -
Urgent help please -Reload Freehand
I have been using Freehand 10.4.9 for yars (sad maybe, bug it works and I love it) but all of a sudden it won't work properly. I create a document and send it to print. It downloads, then just quits. The job still prints, but I have to relaunch the program before I can use it again. Also, the document does not appear under 'open recent' .
So I thought - reload the software. Trouble is all my software is in the form of an upgrade (I have upgraded since V1). So, do I just reload the last upgrade (Freehand MX) and thats it, or do I have to do something else. I really can't remember what I did last time (2005)!
I don't want to totally unpick what I have got at the moment, even though it is not working properly, until I have finished the job I am working on. Help please will be much appreciated.Dear Maeric
Good morning - I did as you suggested - uninstalled Freehand MX. My box said
'you must own version 9 before using this upgrade. Fine, so - Reloaded
Version 9 (in Classic). Got the message 'installation successful'.
Then went to use my upgrade to load Freehand MX. I get the request to enter
my name and registration nos. I enter the details, but only the cancel
button is active. I can't proceed. So now I am totally up a gum tree. What
to do next? Can you ask Judy and let me know what to do.
The only thing I can do is recreate all the work in the dreaded AI program,
or in InD which are totally clunky and so slow for what I want to do! Please
help.
Nearly desperate -
Fran -
Looks like FREEHAND!!!!
I was doing my usual work, switching back and forth from FH
to PS3 and it suddenly hit me. Almost everything in the new
Photoshop looks and works like Freehand's graphic interface. I love
it. It's an amazing similarity. This gives me hope that Adobe may
be rolling a lot of the greatness of Freehand into all it's apps.
If so, I will be one pleased person. If they keep Freehand alive
also, that would be like Easter all over again!> suddenly hit me. Almost everything in the new Photoshop
looks and works like
> Freehand's graphic interface. I love it. It's an amazing
similarity. This gives
Yes! It feels like MX layout. MAJOR interface improvement
compared to the preivious palette system.
Jukka -
Send money - for Freehand up-grade
Ok, so who do I / we send our money to, too get Adobe to
up-grade Freehand.
All right, how do we get Adobe to release / sell Freehand to
someone who will continue up-grading it?
Yes, it seems silly to have Adobe sell Freehand, why hell,
it's it's biggest competitor - but they CAN'T be that worry, or
think it's that good an application, or they would up-grade it
themselves - wouldn't they?
Why would ANYONE fight it - if you have an LARGE group of
folks willing to GIVE you money for something, why not take it!
Don't have such an ego, that you can't see your way clear to
provide folks with an alternative program, or better yet, just a
simple up-grade to one they love and use daily. How would you
(Illustrator / PS Users) like it, if we took away your favorite
applications, and said "Oh well!"
Skip
[email protected]it's not going to happen
sadly
Adobe seem to have forgotten what "customer" means
this is what happens when one company get the lions share -
microsoft, google
they don't give a crap because no-one has a choice
the only choice we do have is to just refuse to stop using FH
as it is. My version is still working quite happily - and I can do
everything I want to do with it.
Do I need more bells and whistles? No - not really
Do I need extra speed? It would be nice but it's not truly
necessary.
Over they years there have been one or two really important
changes - like the multiple pages that appeared from FH3 to FH5.5
(that was a significant upgrade - we stopped using Quark - HOORAY)
and there's the master pages thing - which s really helpful.
but right now there isn't really that much I feel is missing
from what I've got - so unless there's a really really good reason
to switch I wont.
the only problem I have in real terms is not within my
company or my own workflow but rather from others who are using AI
or Indy. I inherit a file and not only do I have to have the same
program to be able to open it I also have to have the latest
version. People that are sending me files in Indy CS3 don't impress
me - they might think they do, but they are wrong.
all they are doing is Adobe's dirty work - pushing us all to
buy the latest upgrade an switch from programs we love to ones they
want us to use.
Is it fair? No
can we stop it? No
have I ranted enough yet? Actually you got there a while
ago.....
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