Identifying ICC profiles in a PDF?

I've tried looking at Properties and Preflight, but I can't find a way to verify that the correct ICC profile was used to create a PDF. Is there a way to determine this?

Just some (late) information: a typical profile has multiple rendering intents already in it. There is a rendering intent in effect for each image, but it is separate from the profile (and chooses which of the profile's intents to use). Some PDF processors ignore the intent stored in the PDF, and either use a fixed intent, or a default derived some other way.

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Check ICC profiles in a PDF

I have a PDF with pictures, each of them with an individual ICC profile. How can I look at those profiles and especially their rendering intents? Preflight tells me that there are profiles attached and even whether they are RGB or CMYK, but not more.

Just some (late) information: a typical profile has multiple rendering intents already in it. There is a rendering intent in effect for each image, but it is separate from the profile (and chooses which of the profile's intents to use). Some PDF processors ignore the intent stored in the PDF, and either use a fixed intent, or a default derived some other way.

Placing a PDF with ICC profile embedded

If I place a PDF with a ICC profile embedded, InDesign doesn't take in consideration it.
In the case that the Indd colour workspace is different from the ICC embedded in the PDF, when I export to PDF the color conversion is wrong.
For example the PDF embedded ICC profile is US webcoated (Swop), the Indd workspace is Iso Coated L39 v2 and I want export to PDF with conversion to PSO lwc improved,
the conversion that I get is wrong.With an image with the ICC pofile embedded the conversion is ok.
does anyone know how it works?

With regards to placing PDF/X files in either InDesign or Illustrator ...
Neither InDesign nor Illustrator currently do anything whatsoever with the Output Intent ICC profile in a PDF/X file. It is totally ignored. In PDF/X-1a files, there is no other color mangement and as such, all objects are either DeviceCMYK or DeviceGray or spot colors. The objects are imported as CMYK or spot color values assuming the document's default CMYK color space. Thus, if you place a PDF/X-1a file with a profile for Gracol and your InDesign document's default color space is US Web Coated SWOP, those CMYK colors in the PDF/X-1a will be brought in as-is but interpreted as is they were US Web Coated SWOP.
The picture becomes a bit more complex for PDF/X-4. All untagged CMYK objects in a PDF/X-4 file are assumed to have the color space of the embedded Output Intent ICC profile. CMYK content in PDF/X-4 that uses a CMYK color space must be explicitly tagged as such and have an embedded profile for such color spaces. Ironically, all CMYK content that matches the color space of the Output Intent ICC profile must be specified as DeviceCMYK per the PDF/X-4 specification (there is a long story about why that is the case). When PDF/X-4 is placed in InDesign or Illustrator, similar to the case of PDF/X-1a, the Output Intent ICC profile is indeed ignored and DeviceCMYK colors assume the document's default CMYK color space. All explictly tagged with ICC profile CMYK and RGB objects in PDF/X-4 maintain such tagging when placed within an InDesign or Illustrator document and are either preserved on PDF export/save or converted based on the PDF export/save options specified.
Is this a problem? Yes, I believe so. I am in the process of looking at what can be done to improve the PDF/X placement capability in the future so that this problem is ameliorated.
- Dov

Determine ICC output profile (name) in PDF/X output intent

Hi all,
I have a PDF of which I need to determine the ICC output profile (name) of the PDF/X output intent. This is what I have in the 'content stream':
<</Metadata 6 0 R/OutputIntents[<</DestOutputProfile 7 0 R/Info(OFCOM. ISO 12647-2:2004 / Amd 1, Offset commercial and specialty printing according to ISO 12647-2, paper type 1 or 2 \(gloss or matte coated offset, 115 g/m2\), screen frequency 60/cm.)/OutputConditionIdentifier(FOGRA39)/RegistryName(http://www.color.org)/S/GTS_PDFX/Type/OutputIntent>>]
How can I, based on this information, determine what the name of the ICC profile in the PDF/X output intent is? Adobe Acrobat's output preview tells me that is should say / find ''ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI)'.
Thanks in advance.
Didier

Thanks! Thought it would be something in that direction. Any tools or libraries you might know that can be used to extract and parse this kind of information (as part of a preflight process or something else)? Adobe tools for instance?

How to embed ICC profile

Hello,
I'm trying to embed an icc profile in a pdf, I am actually doing like this:
char *filePath=NULL;
          ASPathName ICCPath;
          asprintf(&filePath,"%s/ICC_PROFILES/%s",DataDirName,profileName);
#if !macosx
                    ICCPath = ASFileSysCreatePathFromDIPath(NULL,filePath,NULL);
          #else
                    ICCPath = GetMacPath(filePath);
          #endif
          ASFile iccProfile = NULL;
          ASFileSysOpenFile (NULL, ICCPath, ASFILE_READ, (ASFile *)&iccProfile);
          ASStm asStmICC = ASFileStmRdOpen(iccProfile,0);
          int tmp = ASFileGetEOF(iccProfile);
          char* buff=calloc(tmp,1);
          ASStmRead(buff,1,tmp,asStmICC);
          AC_Profile profil = NULL;
          ACMakeBufferProfile(&profil,buff,tmp);
          PDDocColorConvertEmbedOutputIntent(pdDoc,profil);
it's kind of work since I have the icc profile inside my pdf file (I can see it with vim)
but I'm having issue when trying to open it with Photoshop ... Photoshop don't see the embeded profile.
any idea ?
Regards,
William

An OutputIntent Profile (which is what you are creating with the PDDoc call at the end) is NEVER used by PDF UNLESS the PDF is also compliant with one of the subset standards (eg. PDF/A, PDF/E, PDF/X) - see ISO 32000-1:2008, 14.11.5.
Why are you setting this profile? Is the PDF a single page with a single raster image?
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Why am I getting an ICC profile error when making a pdf?

I have not see this before but now when I export my document to a high quality PDF, then I get an error message which says that "version 4 ICC profiles were converted to version 2 ICC profiles during pdf export." I have used this same setting for years and have not changed it and just started seeing it this last couple of weeks. What does it mean that the profile must be changed? What is the difference in quality between version 4 and version 2?
Thanks for any help.
— Richard

I have not see this before but now when I export my document to a high quality PDF, then I get an error message which says that "version 4 ICC profiles were converted to version 2 ICC profiles during pdf export." I have used this same setting for years and have not changed it and just started seeing it this last couple of weeks. What does it mean that the profile must be changed? What is the difference in quality between version 4 and version 2?
Thanks for any help.
— Richard

Embedding ICC-profiles in pdf

I'm having problems getting InDesign to embed the ICC-profiles for CMYK images when exporting a PDF/X-3 from either CS5 or CS 5.5.
The RGB images all have the correct ICC-profiles, but the CMYK images only show as CMYK in PitStop.
Any ideas how to get this working properly?
I want to use Enfocus PitStop Connect to flightcheck the PDF before sending it to out ftp-server, but due to the ICC-profiles not being embedded properly all files receive an error.

Thanks Shulin but I've already downloaded the acrosdk. The samples work based on plug in functionality to acrobat i.e. they call an api when acrobat runs. I want to write to the pdf file from my own C++ program which is only linked with the XMP toolkit as opposed to a plug-in. I am looking for the same kind of information that was supplied for JPG, TIFF by Adobe, only for PDF.
I've checked the knowledgebase as you suggested and this information is not there.
What are the data structures that need to be modified to stick the XMP packet into a pdf file. Can I just append it to the end of the file?
Steve

Prepress query about supplied PDFs with ICC profiles

Hello please help
Working at a print company we get a lot of print ready PDFs supplied
We have our own press colour profile which we ideally apply to all PDFs
My question is what to do with a supplied PDF which contains a none standard ICC profile on either the full PDF or embedded in the images or text.
Is there an industry standard for changing the colour profile on CMYK images?
We can strip the ICC profile using pitstop, but doesn't this create problems with images that have been converted from RGB to CMYK using under colour removal etc?
If we would just convert the total PDF into our printing colour profile (by placing it into indesign or using distiller) it tends to mess up images which are already CMYK with an embedded ICC profile.
Any help would be appreciated, thank you very much

Thanks for your reply, we have actually been advised not to use this setting on our RIP. We are trying to get in contact with our RIP supplier tech guy to sort out why we aren't using this, to me it feels like this would maybe save us a lot of hassle yes. I will get back when we know more, thanks!

Adobe Acrobat Pro 9.1.0 distiller ICC profile error asks for reinstall

I have Windows XP professional, SP3.
My Systems Administrator recently upgraded my Adobe Acrobat Pro 8 to 9.1.0 and since then I keep getting an error that says: Distiller cannot find its standard ICC profiles. Please reinstall Adobe Acrobat to correct this problem.
This error happens when:
1. I print to Adobe from a web page (IE 7.0.5730.11 or Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.20)
2. I try to print to any printer from certain websites, such as the usps.com, where I print all our postage labels from.
3. Occasionally when I start up the PC.
Sometimes I get the error but it still pdfs the page. Usually, though, it hangs and then Acrobat and the web browser close.
I seem to be able to pdf MS Office 2007 items (Word, Excel) and my Filemaker Pro Advanced 10 records. I guess it's when I'm "printing" to Adobe as opposed to "saving as pdf" that I have this problem.
Acrobat 8 worked fine. My Sys Admin has reinstalled the upgrade twice (after trying a repair which didn't work) to no avail. He can't find any documentation about this error at Adobe, so he's going to uninstall it and switch me back to Adobe 8.
I do all of the pdf'ing of our deliverable documents at my company and I would like to have the latest edition of Acrobat. If anyone knows of anything I can do, please let me know.
Thanks!
Stephie

Adobe Tech support was most helpful on this. First download the updated
Distiller ICC profile files at:
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=4075&fileID= 3790
Unzip the file and copy only the *.icc files (without regard to the subfolders that they are in - in other words, take the files out of each of the subfolders) to the followng folder in Windows 7:
c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\color
These new files will probably overwrite some old ones.
This solved the problem for me.
This is actually the best solution though I found that instead of copying all the .icc files to the windows\sys... folder, all you need to do is copy the 3 Video files from the RGB folder (VideoHD.icc, VideoNTSC.icc, and VideoPAL.icc). Once you add these three files to c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\color you will be good to go.
It seems that this was an error on the part of Adobe in that there is no reason to include Video files for printing. Nevertheless, the distiller will look for these and return the ICC profile error message if those files are not present.

Preview & ICC Profiles

Hello all,
I've been digging around here and elsewhere for a huge chunk of my day, and I'm having trouble concretely answering a question: Does Preview respect embedded color profile information? If so, why can I not get Preview to display a Photoshop PDF with the same colors? I know color profiling is a huge can of worms, and I know a decent amount about it. I have consistent success with various printing presses returning proofs that are very close to what I expect. I seem, simply, to be misunderstanding the manner in which Preview displays my colors.
My monitors are calibrated, and my colors are consistent outside of this issue. Using the built-in OSX PDF creation generates a PDF that shows the exact colors in Preview as I'm seeing in Photoshop. I'm certain I'm missing something obvious. Thanks in advance for any help. I'm tired of worrying myself over my file output every time I run a quick-check in Preview.
Thanks again.

So how does color managment work in FCP X when I can´t calibrate my monitor or use icc profiles from a calibration software?

ICC profiles assigned to text?

CS5 (patched to 7.03), Mac OS 10.6.7
Hi Everyone,
My production coordinator made a PDF of my magazine for the printer yesterday and when he ran it through PitStop, several errors turned up to the effect of text having an ICC profile assigned to it. The text was several instances of periods and commas, the color was [Black] 100%, Adobe Caslon font, same as the rest of the text on the page and throughout the magazine that didn't get dinged as an error. Retyping the offending characters fixed the problem, but how can something like this happen? Or rather, How can it be detected from within InDesign rather than in PitStop?
We import Word docs styled with Word styles into InDesign to lay out the magazine.
PDFs are created by printing to ps file then distilled with the joboptions the printer provided.
I admit I know very little about color management (we don't use profiles, per printer request, so I've had limited exposure) but I thought it was only for images and profiles couldn't get assigned to individual characters of text.
Thanks for your insight!

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Please check the following note:
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          o S_SDCC_READN    Read authorization
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Roles (as of Basis Release 6.10)
          o SAP_SDCCN_DIS   Read authorization
          o SAP_SDCCN_EXE   Collect and send data
          o SAP_SDCCN_ALL   Admin authorization
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/3e/cdaccbedc411d3a6510000e835363f/content.htm
Also check the following SAP notes:
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Edited by: Dipanjan Sanpui on Jul 16, 2009 2:30 PM

Distiller can not find its sdandard ICC profiles

I have Acrobat X installed on Windows 7 (x64) as part of CS6 Master collection.
Every 4-5 days during simple browsing I get an pop up with error:
Distiller can not find its standard ICC profiles. Please reinstall Adobe Acrobat to correct this problem. And all .pdf files won't open any more till I reinstall Acrobat. Reinstalling it every week is pretty annoying, any idea how to get rid of it?

Hey Tatjana.Esin,
Please install Distiller ICC profiles from the below given link:
Adobe - ICC profiles : For Windows
Unzip this file and copy all .icc files to this location: "C:\Windows\System32\spool\drivers\color"
These new files would probably overwrite old ones thus resolving the issue.
Please check and let me know.
Regards,
Anubha

ICC profiles - never used what have I been missing?

Up until now I have never used separate icc profiles but have had to download all new drivers from epson to run my scanner and printer on new Intel Mac OSX 10.6. therefore it has given me the option to download the profiles.
Any advise for using them, can you turn them off - will i never want to turn them off?
What do they do exactly?
I may sound daft to many but unless I ask I dont learn, many thanks in advance.

Good advice so far and it is good that you ask these questions.
You asked earlier about your Epson printouts matching a print shop. It helps to understand color management as a communication chain. In the case of images, this is an ideal workflow:
1. Digital image is captured in RAW
2. Photographer converts RAW data into an RGB image. The result is referred to as a source image. It should have an embedded RGB profile, for example Adobe RGB 1998. To see if it has an embedded profile, look at the document title in the window. If you don't see # at the end, the image has a profile, which is good. If you do see #, you have a broken image, and it's up to you to get the derailed train back on track. If the image looks good to you (on a properly calibrated and profiled monitor) tagging an untagged image is an easy task. Edit: Assign Profile, and select your working RGB.
3. The source image gets converted to the printer's CMYK color space, also represented by an ICC profile. This should be supplied by the printer. You do have the option of leaving the image RGB and letting Quark do the conversion when you output. Quark color management is somewhat more complicated to setup than InDesign CM, let me know if you have questions.
4. To soft proof how the image will look on press, first calibrate and profile your monitor with the proper hardware and software. Then open the RGB image in Photoshop. View: Proof Setup: Custom, and select the CMYK profile supplied by the printer. The colors may shift some but that is to be expected, a CMYK color space is usually much smaller than most RGB color spaces.
5. To proof an image on your Epson that will closely match the press, you can calibrate and profile your Epson (best) or use the canned factory profile corresponding to the paper loaded in the Epson. This profile is actually an RGB profile (the printer is not RGB but the profile that describes it is). Open the RGB image. In the print dialog under Color Management, choose "Proof." Color Handling, "Photoshop Manages Colors." Printer profile, select the Epson profile. Proof Setup, select the CMYK profile supplied by printer. Check "Simulate Paper Color"
When you print, print Photoshop will perform two conversions behind the scenes. First your RGB image goes to the CMYK color space. Then the CMYK image is converted to the Epson profile using an Absolute Colorimetric rendering intent.
Unfortunately I don't believe Quark has the ability to perform two conversions on output. So if you need to proof a Quark page it's a matter of conversion to the printer's CMYK when you export the PDF. Then you can print the CMYK PDF to your Epson from Acrobat, using Acrobat Color Management and selecting the appropriate Epson profile.

Icc profiles for aperture book printing...

Do the Aperture Book Printing folks provide icc profiles so I can soft-proof the images beforehand?

Please note that monitors provide fairly accurate color when the images are saved in an sRGB color space, however, presses are not as reliable...
Well, Mike, thanks for sharing the info here.
At one point, in Mark's email to you, as mentioned above in his email from Apple, I have to say I am a little surprised about his statement re: monitors provide fairly accurate... when the images saved in an sRGB colour space...
It is very tricky statement where it depends on how we define the term "fairly accurate" in monitors. What we don't know if Mark meant by when monitor has been "properly" set up as profiled and calibrated with high-grade calibration hardware. Unless IF the monitor has been proper profiled and calibrated, then his statement would be correct. But IF not profiled or calibrated at all, I am afraid that his statement is incorrect.
Now these days with newer monitors and newer Apple laptops with better monitor technology, it is still need to be properly profiled and calibrated. It just depends on individual's preference, desire and the purpose of such project whatever someone is working on. While majority of Aperture users' are probably mostly professional photographers or those who are into photography savvy, then colour-managed workflow is a norm. For me, it IS absolute A MUST colour-managed workflow.
Although, I do a heavy post-production workflow on MacPro where I always have my monitors calibrated. I don't typically calibrate my laptop, though. Because sometimes I forgot to turn off the automatic ambient light in System Preference in Display section. It is a little inconvenience in that case. Unless if I am being away on photographic trips far from Canada abroad, then it is a different story. But not always bring my calibration device with me. Too inconvenience to haul it around at the airports etc. So colour-managed workflow is a must with MacPro in my studio.
However, other individuals have their own preference, comfort zone and the purpose of such project. Perhaps their workflow set up differently than yours or mine, that is ok.
But in that email you received from someone at Apple didn't make it clear about that statement about 'fairly accuracy'.
Then something else is something else actually--when Apple guy said presses are not always.... Again, that is why it is important that you get monitor properly profiled and calibrated. Once it is done properly, then it is all good. But remember, you need to re-calibrate monitor once a week or every two weeks or once month. In order to get pretty close to printed output, always a good idea to soft proof. If needed to make slightly conservative adjustments to your satisfaction or level of expectation, the output would be fairly close to what it is appeared in monitor. When I mean "fairly close" in comparing the output to what you are seeing in monitor with these post-production images used in that output, in fairness, I would estimate fairly close in terms of anywhere in range between 92 to 95 percent - that is very fair conservative perspective on how close in the output vs monitor. It is truly, really, truly rare to get the output 100% as obvious and precise as you are seeing in monitor. If that is the case, and if that is true FOR that person achieved this, this probably means takes that person many years to perfect his/her colour-managed workflow for that matter. Never has been that pretty close, but I'd be shocked if I see mine aced right on spot. I'd be lying to you if I get all output perfect as appeared in my monitors. If I did, that would be incorrect statement.
It seems a lot of factors and things to do and things need to require in a thoroughly colour-managed workflow production, it is how it is done. But this can also means save money, effort and time if done properly right from the beginning.
In fairness, I would really wish that guy from Apple should have said a little more obvious and precise with his definition of fairly accuracy with monitors. It doesn't says what kind of monitors he refers to. Low quality, cheap monitors deliver good results? Lot of factors need to be looked at for consideration for yourself.
Of course, as you can tell that colour management topic is pretty heavy, highly technical and everything in deep thinking with world of colours. It takes years for an individual (both pros and non-pro individuals) finally understand what it is all about. Again, technologies evolve rapid for the better in many cases for new monitors, commercial print equips, advanced ink technology, advanced paper production technology... That goes on effortless endless, actually.
Hope some of thoughtfu perspective and experience be of some interest, and it is obvious that this discussion probably will attract some more excitement discussion, the more the better. So that every other Aperture users who have the similar issues, they'll definitely want to come to here... And learn and share.
I also use Blurb too. They are getting better than it was once a couple years ago when Blurb first started. As they add more variety of book sizes, types of paper stock and things like that. This also give someone some flexibility in choosing workflow production using Blurb software or online bookmaking or using PDF to Book service for those who are advanced users that use InDesign layout design app. In that case of PDF to Book, the advanced users would need to download Blurb's preset plug-in to put in InDesign in order to export the PDF output to meet and integrate into Blurb's Preflight Checklist at the time of upload. I use PDF to Book service with InDesign, etc. It is fairly self explanatory and easy to follow steps. Also slightly off topic, but when making Blurb book, to get most out of their product and service with Blurb, in that case, they came up with brilliant resource called Colour Resource Centre designed for making more beautiful books. In that resource centre, it is easy to read and follow.
I would think this probably shed some insights and understanding the basics of colour management, the whole thing all about this, that and the other all together.
I would also want other high-powered hard-core Aperture users share their experience with Aperture Book printing service. I'd be happy to share my experience about making Aperture Book vs. Blurb Book through PDF to Book service. However, I would think the export to PDF from Aperture probably has it's own different setting or slightly different configuration inside the PDF engine on Mac for Blurb book. There has been some discussion about wanting a Aperture Plug In for Blurb Book. blurb has been quiet on it, I take that they probably will not develop a special plug-in for Aperture Users. Sorry if it is a little off topic. But somehow someone in the discussion mention Blurb. so...
Anyhow, hope that helps.

Heads-up - Don't Export ICC Profiles With Illustrator Files

Hello everyone,
I have a new Motion project (yea!) and I started out creating a 56-point star in Illustrator CS4 with a specific RGB color value and saved it as Illustrator CS4 with PDF compatibility. I brought it into Motion no problem but the RGB value was changed. I futzed with it for a few minutes and figured out that the default save in Illustrator has "Embed ICC Profiles" checked. I unchecked this and saved it again and it came into Motion with the correct RGB values.
Rock on.
Scot

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