Preview & ICC Profiles

Hello all,
I've been digging around here and elsewhere for a huge chunk of my day, and I'm having trouble concretely answering a question: Does Preview respect embedded color profile information? If so, why can I not get Preview to display a Photoshop PDF with the same colors? I know color profiling is a huge can of worms, and I know a decent amount about it. I have consistent success with various printing presses returning proofs that are very close to what I expect. I seem, simply, to be misunderstanding the manner in which Preview displays my colors.
My monitors are calibrated, and my colors are consistent outside of this issue. Using the built-in OSX PDF creation generates a PDF that shows the exact colors in Preview as I'm seeing in Photoshop. I'm certain I'm missing something obvious. Thanks in advance for any help. I'm tired of worrying myself over my file output every time I run a quick-check in Preview.
Thanks again.

So how does color managment work in FCP X when I can´t calibrate my monitor or use icc profiles from a calibration software?

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Hello,
since I switched to Lion 10.7.4 from Snow Leopard I have no preview when I want to playback videos from the event browser. I calibrated my Eizo Display with the latest ColorNavigator6 software using a Spyder4 device. The generated Eizo icc profiles are version 2.2. My second display is calibrated with the Spyder Pro4 Software. This icc profile is v2.4.
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Regards, Thomas

So how does color managment work in FCP X when I can´t calibrate my monitor or use icc profiles from a calibration software?

PS CS5 Image Display Differs From Used ICC Profile In Win 7

Hi,
on my Windows 7 Ultimate x64 machine, I just calibrated my Dell SP2309W monitor using an i1DisplayPro and basICColor 5, creating a ICC v2 profile (I am aware of the problems under Windows with ICC v4 profiles).
It created the ICC profile and applied it to be used by Windows. I double checked under COLOR MANAGEMENT that the new ICC profile is being used. Although I can see that the new ICC is being used (desktop appearance changes), there are a few issues I am experiencing:
(1.) Windows Photo Viewer
The thumbnails in Windpows Explorer look fine (they DO use the new ICC profile), when I double click a jpeg and open the image it DOES NOT use the new ICC profile. When I click the PLAY SLIDESHOW button (starting the slideshow) in the opened image in Windows Photo Viewer, the images DO use the new ICC profile.
(2.) Internet Browsers
All current internet browser (Firefox, IE, Safari and Chrome) DO use the new ICC profile and display the image correctly.
(3.) Photoshop CS 5
When I open the same image - that Windows Photo Viewer does not correctly displays (according to the new ICC profile) - in Photoshop CS5, I get the same image display that Windows Photo Viewer gives me (when not thumbnail or not in slideshow mode) - it appears to be the sRGB display.
My color settings in PS CS5 are: North America General Purpose 2 > sRGB IEC 61966-2.1.
When I go to View > Proof Setup > Monitor RGB I get the image display using the new ICC profile.
Why does the image look different in PS than my calibrated monitor should output ?
I was under the impression (please correct me if I am wrong), that the sole purpose for calibrating my monitor was to get a uniform display across (ICC aware) applications. Even when one applies different color spaces to a document in PS, I thought the output on my calibrated screen done by the graphic card should always be according to my calibration and the settings in the ICC profile being used.
What Am I doing wrong or what am I misunderstanding ?
Any help or input is appreciated !
Thanks.
- M

Hello,
A note on monitor calibration: calibrating your monitor will not guarentee that every application will display color correctly, it's more of a step along the pipeline, and for the preview part of a color workflow it's the last step. Here's how color translation follows for an ICC workflow when previewing to a monitor:
Image Color Numbers > Document Tag or Workspace Profile > Monitor Profile
For non-color managed applications, if the original document is or isn't tagged with a color profile it will be translated directly to the monitor profile anyway. This is the equivalent in Photoshop of selecting "Monitor" in soft proofing. Selecting monitor in softproofing will bypass the tagged or workspace profile to translate colors directly through the monitor profile.
For most automatic color managed applications (like Firefox), the image will be translated through the tagged profile and then sent through the monitor profile. If the image is untagged or the profile is unrecognized, the colors get sent directly to the monitor profile.
For Photoshop, a tagged document will have its profile respected and then sent to the monitor. An untagged document will be assigned the workspace profile, which acts like a temporary document profile, and then gets sent to the monitor. This is often why users will notice Photoshop behaves differently from other applications. It's usually a case of the workspace coming into play. By default the workspace profile is set to sRGB. You can change this in Edit > Color Settings.
The purpose of the workspace is originally for printing workflows, as a way of keeping consistant color translations when dealing with both tagged and untagged documents. For web output workflows it can be useful for viewing everything through sRGB, which is typical of the average monitor output (not so with newer wide-gamut monitors, another source of confusion...) combined with the fact that originally most web browsers were not color managed. Hence viewing everything through sRGB is pretty close to what most monitors see and what untagged/unmanaged docs will look like.
Monitor calibration is useful only because it brings your monitor output to a "known state". In traditional workflows the monitor was always a middle-man, a preview device which was useful for getting an idea of what the printed output would look like before you print it. Since print colorspaces are often smaller than display spaces, it's feasible and useful to narrow down the monitor/display space and calibrate it to a known state, so that even if it doesn't totally match the print, you'll get used to its differences/limitations and they'll be consistent so long as the calibration is maintained.
For web output, your final output is often another user's computer monitor, which can have any form of behavior (most standard monitors are pretty close to sRGB, or use sRGB as an operating system workspace (default monitor profile). Wide gamuts behave differently, but I'm not sure if there's a particular ICC space that they closely match, or if different wide-gamuts are even that close to each other in their display color spaces.
Hope this helps!

CMYK ICC profile support in Lightroom: Workaround?

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I'm using OS X (Lion). I recently profiled a Lexmark C543dn color laser printer with a ColorMunki Photo and the profile works great with Photoshop's "built in" RIP/CMS/whatever, but I can't get ColorSync in the printer settings dialog to recognize the profile. If I use the ColorSync Utility to force the profile on the printer, it also doesn't work.
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native CMYK data -> printer
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I'm not a professional, only a hobbyist, so it took me a little longer, but I also have the impression that the new Preview ignores ICC profiles.
I noticed it when moving images between my iBooks built-in and my external Eizo screen. Since the gamut of the second is much larger, images appear rather different on the two screens. In Tiger's Preview, this resulted in colors changing suddenly during the move, when the center of the image passed from one screen to the other. This effect is gone and yes, the images are over-saturated on the 'good' screen.
Jethro555, could you find a solution to the problem?

LR 4.3 Print Module + Dry Creek icc Profile = jpeg that Apple SW won't open

Greetings,
I have used Dry Creek Photo's (http://www.drycreekphoto.com/) Costo printer profiles successfully for some time with PS and they seem to work fine for soft proofing in LR4... but when I select one of those profiles in LR's Print module for export to jpeg[1] the jpegs produced cannot be opened with Preview, Color Sync, Safari, seemingly any Apple software in OS X (I've tried with both Snow Leopard and Lion). The jpegs do open in PS and browsers like Chrome and Firefox. If I open the files in PS and then save them with "Save As" the saved files open correctly in Preview, etc. Also, other icc profiles (like Adobe or sRGB) seem to work fine. I do not know if the printers at Costco can read the problematic jpegs or not.
Can anyone expain what's happening here? Am I doing something wrong? Is this a LR or Apple bug? Will the jpegs printed from LR's print module be usable on Costco's printers? Will I have to "launder" everything through PS (which would I would obvioiusly rather not do)?
Thanks!
[1] Files printed at Costco need to be in the color space of the printer for Soft Proofing to work since unless it's changed recently Costco's printers ignore embedded profiles. See, http://www.drycreekphoto.com/icc/using_printer_profiles.htm

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ICC Profiles: Why No Embedding Upon JPEG Export?

Hi all! I'm sure this has been discussed here before, but a forum search revealed many unrelated threads. So here's my question: why doesn't Lightroom support embedding ICC profiles? The lack of this feature seems more of a design issue than something they haven't had time to add, so I'm curious to know if anyone knows why Adobe has chosen to skip this feature. I'm no ICC expert, so perhaps there's a good reason, but it would be nice to have it as an option to get JPEG images that match the ICC profile of my monitor...
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>What ICC profile does it embed then since it doesn't offer the user a choice?
It offers the user a choice between sRGB, adobeRGB and prophotoRGB. It always embeds the profile. You can tell whether the profile is embedded in lots of programs. One of them is preview in mac os X for example. Another is photoshop.
>let's say that I'm sending an image off to get printed at an online printer. What ICC profile would I want to have embedded in the JPEG?
You want to use a working space profile such as sRGB. your monitor's profile is only meaningful to you as there is no second monitor like yours in the world. If the printer is good, they will convert your image from your monitor's profile to their printer's profile, but very few online labs do this and it is usually a recipe for bad prints. Most just assume your image is in sRGB, whether it is tagged/embedded or not. Your safest bet therefore is sRGB. If the lab/printer indicates that they really color manage and they seem to know what they are talking about, you can try using a wider space such as adobeRGB or even prophotoRGB.

ICC profiles needed

Hi, I give up. I want to follow this procedure as found on the HP website:
HP Printers - Using ICC Profiles for Color Photos in Adobe Photoshop. However, after two days of searching I have been unable to locate the HP ICC profiles for my printer, paper and ink type, all HP products. They are not currently listed in the drop down profiles of step 3 in the above article. Some older deskjet models are all that are there. I am looking for the ICC profiles for:
Printer: HP Photosmart C6380
Paper: HP Premium Plus Photo Paper Soft Glossy Q5450A
Ink: HP Vivera Inks.
Does anyone have a link to where they are located? Thank you!!
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Creating Custom ICC Profiles for Color Photos
   1.
      Select File , then Print with Preview . (Photoshop 6 and prior: select File , then Print .)
   2.
      Select the Show More Options check box, and Color Management from the drop-down menu.
   3.
      In the Profile menu, select Same as Source .
The printer driver must also be configured to properly use custom profiles. Use the steps below to configure the printer driver.
   1.
      Select File , Print , and then Properties , Color .
   2.
      Select Managed by application from the Color management menu.
   3.
      Click on the Paper/Quality tab and select the appropriate paper type from the Type is menu.
   4. Click OK , and then OK again to print.
    NOTE:     The paper type must be selected in the printer software even when creating a profile. Maximum ink volume limits are determined by the paper-type selection, not through the ICC profile.
With these settings, a print without any color management intervention from either the printer driver or the application will be produced. This print is suitable for measurement and profile creation
                    OR
Using ICC Profiles for Color Photos in Adobe Photoshop
   1.
      Select File , then Print with Preview . (For Photoshop 6 and prior select File , and then Print ).
   2.
      For Photoshop 7 and CS, in the Print with Preview dialog, select the Show More Options checkbox, and Color Management from the menu.
   3.
      In the Profile menu, select the profile that corresponds to the printer, paper type, and ink set.
   4.
      Set the ICC rendering intent in the Intent menu. Most users will want to use the Perceptual intent to give the most subjectively pleasing color reproduction.
   5.
      Checking the Use Black Point Compensation box is also recommended.
The printer driver must also be configured to properly use the profile. Use the steps below to configure the printer driver.
   1.
      Select File , Print , and then Properties , Color .
   2.
      Select Managed by application from the Color management menu.
   3.
      Click on the Paper/Quality tab and select the appropriate paper type from the Type is menu.
   4. Click OK , and then OK again to print.
    NOTE:     If you select an ICC profile for your printer under Print with Preview in Adobe Photoshop that selection will be retained, even when later using the Photoshop Print or Print one Copy functions instead of Print with Preview . If you want to return to using the default sRGB mode after using ICC profiles, you must go back into the Print with Preview menu and select either sRGB or Same as Source as your printer profile. If the profile setting in Photoshop is not consistent with the printer driver settings, wrong colors will result.
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What is the correct icc profile for jpegs extracted from DNGs?

Are they always sRGB, or always something else? do they need an icc-profile assigned for colors to be interpreted properly? is the correct profile available as metadata that could be read using exiftool or such?

Profile/color space can be anything - there is a DNG tag called "PreviewColorSpace" that allows for:
0 = Unknown
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2 = sRGB
3 = Adobe RGB
4 = ProPhoto RGB
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ICC Profile on Mac

Hello there,
after reading through the ICC threads, I found some similar symptoms to my problem, but not the whole story...
I'd like to print from Lightroom (Mac/German version) using my printer's ICC profile as using the printer settings and defaults only results in a rather dull image, almost without any reds. When I click on "Other..." in the Color Management area, there is only one printer profile (hp color LaserJet RGB v402) in the list but nothing else. I have the ICC profiles for my Konica/Minolta/QMS Magicolor 2350 in the /Library/ColorSync/Profiles folder but, as said, these profiles don't show up.
When I export the image to JPEG and print it with the Preview program, colors are colorful.
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Hello Andrew,
ColorSync Utility repair ran fine and without problems.
Looking at the color spaces makes me a bit wonder however. I've meanwhile installed one of the Epson ICC files and that one shows up along the HP one that already was there from somewhere. Both, the HP and the Epson profiles are RGB profiles while the one for the Magicolor 2350 is a CMYK profile. Now, CMYK isn't Lightroom's cup of tea, but could/does this really extend to printing profiles?
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ICC profile problem?

Having a bit of an issue with .png files. It happens randomly, but recently I've been seeing it a lot lately. Most .png files I see while browsing the web of with the preview program itself will show random colored lines with a shadowed out image (the original image) in the background... It's not too important, but something I'd like fixed I guess....
- http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c234/BkacTiger/?action=view&current=PreviewIss ue.png
If I open the file in preview or any web browser, sometimes (if unlucky) it'll show like this:
- http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c234/BkacTiger/?action=view&current=AdobeEleme ntsIssue.png
However, if I open the .png file in some programs like Photoshop CS4 or Elements it will give me the following error message but will manage to show the image:
Any ideas on why this is occurring? I've googled around about ICC issues and saw that I had to check ColorSync...I ran the repair and verify options with it not finding any issues. However, I saw another to try adding color profiles to my Library/ColorSync/Profile folders; when doing so, I saw that there were no profiles in there at the time.... Thanks for the time and help.
Note: I wasn't too sure on what to include on this post, so if you need any other info please let me know... thanks again...

Hi guys, thanks for the response. Sadly, I can't go to edit - assign profile because it doesn't let me? It just saids that the "ICC profile is invalid", I click OK and that's that.
This is the only image, it's fine with any others. I have just started using 2 monitors and I wonder if the 2nd monitor has corrupted the profile but it should still let me save it?

Icc profile corrupted in lion

I have all of the sudden a color shift in lion 10.7.4- the color profile from adobe are currupted.
This is the result displaying from Color Utility
Searching for profiles...
Checking 66 profiles...
/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Color/Profiles/RedBlueYelllow.icc
   Tag 'pseq': Required tag is not present. Could not be fixed.
/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Color/Profiles/Smokey.icc
   Tag 'pseq': Required tag is not present. Could not be fixed.
/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Color/Profiles/TealMagentaGold.icc
   Tag 'pseq': Required tag is not present. Could not be fixed.
/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Color/Profiles/TotalInkPreview.icc
   Tag 'pseq': Required tag is not present. Could not be fixed.
Repair done - 0 out of 4 profiles fixed.
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I check each .icc file and yes there is no pseq tag
I have change persions for everyone to Read& Write and run the disk utility and have no luck
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I have the same problem .
did you fix it ?that pink color wont go away .
here some more photos showing my problem

Icc Profile not working

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library-colorsync-profiles-recommended
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All my prints using: Lightroom 5, printer color management turned off, and non-generic ICC profile (e.g. Epson Premium Glossy) have magenta tint or cast

I'm using PC with: Windows 8.1, 64bit, Lightroom 5.4, Epson R3000, 6.75 (latest) driver, color management turned off in printer settings, Lightroom configured to manage color. If I use a generic ICC profile such as Epson sRGB, the prints look OK. But when I use any ICC profile dedicated to my paper and printer combination, such as Epson Premium Glossy, or one created using ColorMunki print profile, the prints all have a medium to heavy magenta tint or cast. The effect can be seen before I even print in the Epson Print Preview. Yet when I soft proof, I don't see this effect. I suspect the problem lies somewhere in the CMM process, but I can't pin it down. Any tips or suggestions are appreciated.

Thank you kindly for your insightful response. As it turns out, the answer is half correct. I've found others who'll say the same thing, that double color management will lead to a very magenta result. I believe this was certainly the case when I first started playing with the settings, Where I went wrong, is that after I corrected my settings by turning off printer manages color and letting Lightroom do the color management, is that the Epson Print Preview was still showing magenta with certain profiles. Not wanting to waste more money on paper and ink, I used the preview to gauge whether I was going to get a normal print or not. Then one day I ignored the print preview's magenta cast as a 'warning' and I went ahead printed the photo anyways. Because I used a profile that I created with ColorMunki Photo, the picture came out perfect (i.e. a very good match to what I was seeing in Lightoom on my monitor). The lesson learned is that for judging the final color correctness, the Epson Print Preview can be way off target and your best bet is to ignore it.

Monitor ICC profile supported with Adobe Reader?

Hi, I know Reader supports reading of input ICC color profiles like in embedded pictures (sRGB, Adobe RGB, etc.), but it seems it doesn't support outputting to the monitor's ICC profile. Is there a way to do this? I have used Reader 8 and 9. I need to properly preview the files, and sometimes print them.
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Adobe Acrobat's latest version can run on 10.5.8, given the constraints listed on http://www.adobe.com/products/reader/tech-specs.html.
You can upgrade to Mac OS X 10.7.4 if all your software and hardware meets the requirements.
Acrobat 8.1 is the version designed by http://www.adobe.com/ as both PowerPC Mac and Intel Mac
compatible around the same time as 10.5 was released.
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