Itunes super slow with 52gb library on 1.8ghz iMac G5

well.
ive always had a playlist for every album in my itunes.... and with 52 gb of music... i have a quite a few.
i recently changed it so that in the source window there is a folder for every artist, and inside the folder there is a playlist for every album...
i want to know if i delete all my playlists, and just use the itunes browser, will this speed up my itunes... or is it just the shear amount of music?
many thanks

slow as in, when i load itunes, it takes about 15 seconds before i can choose a playlist or scroll through the source window, (spinning beach ball) and when adding music, the spinning beach ball spins for a bout 20+ seconds before they even start to be added to the playlist window...
im guess its the size of the itunes database file being edited by itunes... currently 17mb... so thats what made me think if i were to loose all my playlists and use the browser (something i dont like the idea of, but would do if it would be faster) it would improve things maybe?? With itunes not open my G5 is fine, but when open it is slowing the system down..
yes itunes folder is on boot disk (diff partition) but yes same disk...
i had a few problems with my external, and although its workin fine at the moment, (i dont trust it to store the only copy of my library) so at the moment im unable to move it off... but i may swap in another ide drive to that enclosure soon.
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