Jpeg into raw and ....

how to i open a jpeg in camera raw?
how do i get photos on my hard drive into an album or the "library"

budmanvet wrote:
how to i open a jpeg in camera raw?
how do i get photos on my hard drive into an album or the "library"
Windows :
Menu : File / Open As
In the dialog, set the file type to 'Raw...' (not Photoshop raw) - 3rd option in older PSE version, 2nd in PSE11
Mac : I know it's open, 'not open as' and that you can change the file type...

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Photo Stream only supports JPEG, PNG, TIFF and RAW files.

I'm using Panasonic LX3 with its RAW format (a supported RAW format since sometimes with iPhoto '09 already)
When I choose to Photo Stream my images after import with iPhoto '11, it says "Photo Stream only supports JPEG, PNG, TIFF and RAW files."
My files are RAW formats so why can't I photo stream it?!
Is there something I can get around or need to wait for Apple to support this?!

You don;t have a preset set. What you are seeing is normal behavior when importing Raw files.
What you see at first is the camera produced JPG preview imbedded in the Raw file. Aperture puts this up while it decodes the actual Raw data. This JPG has all the special settings and enhancements set on the camera and is basically the image that would be produced if you were shooting JPG.
As a rule none of the settings on the camera (apart from the basics) are applied to the Raw file though some of the newer cameras have settings that could affect the data stored in the Raw file.
This is a often asked question by those just getting into Raw and you can search the discussions here for other answers to this question.
Given the capability of today's cameras, especially the high-end ones, a lot of users have decided to abandon Raw as unnecessary if they are happy with the images the camera produces. It's all a matter of personal needs.
regards

Trying to make the jump from JPEG to RAW...

Hi all, I'm trying to make the jump from JPEG to RAW, and am hoping you might be able to help with a few questions.
When I open JPEGs in Lightroom's Develop module, the settings are mostly zero by default. But when I open RAW files, some of the settings seem to have non-zero default to values.
Am I correct to think these settings are from metadata saved into the RAW file when I took the picture? eg, the camera saves the White Balance settings as metadata within the RAW file, even though the White Balance settings don't actually affect the image data itself. And so when I open that RAW file in Lightroom, it'll apply the White Balance as recorded within the file, making that a non-zero default.
Is that about right?
Does Lightroom similarly 'pre-set' other values when importing RAW files? (I ask because I seem to have non-zero settings for Blacks, Sharpening, as well as the Color slider under Noise Reduction.)
Meaning: I'm not quite sure "how much work" Lightroom is doing by default when I import RAW files, and how much I need to do to at least reproduce what my camera would do in making a JPEG.
For example, even though Color under Noise Reduction is given a value -- Luminance, also under under Noise Reduction, is left at zero. And the picture looks a bit grainy. Would my camera have processed some Luminance Noise Reduction? If so, is there a way to get Lightroom to help get that pre-set too?
Basically, is there a rule of thumb for how a novice should import a RAW file and have it reasonably "at least as good" as what the JPEG would have been?
Thanks very kindly, -Scott

Given that the camera ships with so many special effect presets -- is there no built-in preset that could be named "Auto Camera" so to speak? Or might it be possible import such a preset that somebody else has made?
Lightroom, nor any other third party raw processing program will not read the camera settings beyond simple stuff such as white balance. So you cannot do this. If you go raw, you really have to change your mindset and completely ignore the in-camera jpeg styles. Just set it to a neutral style and learn what the preview on the camera means for the actual raw data. You will find that this gives you orders of magnitude more creative freedom afterwards as you will not be stuck with a burned in interpretation.
So (for me) even just making my own presets -- let alone making separate presets for every ISO -- all that seems a bit daunting.
There really is no need to at all. I don't use presets for example. I think they are a waste of time as it is extremely rare that two images need exactly the same treatment. You really are just choosing a different starting point. I start all my raw at a relatively neutral setting (but using a camera profile generated from a colorchecker!) and blast through a shoot very quickly. You'll learn how to recognize what modifications to the Develop settings images need and just do it. Then typically I use auto-sync or manual sync to modify similar shots (say a series of head shots taken shortly after each other). I work differently as most of my photography is landscape, but a typical workflow for many photographers that do more people/style/event stuff is to import all the raw and start culling them with pick/reject flags and refine collection. You'll arrive at a subset that is worth looking at more closely and to finetune their development. The conservative default rendering helps you here because you'll quickly see what images are simply badly exposed, not in correct focus, etc. and you can reject them.
Think of your raw as the unprinted negative. It represents a nascent image. One that still has to form completely. A jpeg is like a polaroid. The image style is pretty much chosen for you by the film maker. There is very little you can do to it afterwards without it breaking down. Raw gives you much more freedom but it does come with a learning curve and it is more tasking for your equipment. Many people including many pros are simply not interested (or don't see the pay off) in this part of the creative photographic process and just shoot jpeg, which is a fine approach (just not mine). Lightroom can help you there too to quickly find the best images in a series, keyword, caption, and disseminate.

Converting jpeg to raw?

So... I am a bit of an amateur and have been shooting all of pictures in jpeg format. I use Lightroom 4 and Photoshop Cs6 for editing them. I am finally making the switch to raw format. I would like all of my pictures to be in raw or dng to work better with lightroom, so here is my question. Is it possible to convert jpeg fies to raw or dng? Would it be a stupid idea to batch convert all of my jpegs into raw format? Is it even possible? I am kind of a new to this subject, so help me out.
Thanks in advance

Just some random thoughts, no real advice here...
As long as you don't save over your original file, all editing is non-destructive.
If you open your original photo from a DNG, even though it may have a JPEG inside it, there's less chance you might accidentally just hit File - Save and write over it, because you can't File - Save into a DNG from within Photoshop proper.
Also, if you would like to open your original photos through Camera Raw but don't want to use it for just any old JPEG, encapsulating the originals in DNG files will give you that distinction.
-Noel

I cannot download photos in raw and jpeg into aperture from canon 5d mark111

I cannot load photos from canon5d mark3 into aperture in raw and jpeg, any ideas?

Don't believe the RAW's from that camera are supported yet. See OS X Lion: Supported digital camera RAW formats

How is the Raw data used in iPhoto. I currently shoot both jpeg and raw and import them both into iPhoto.

How is the Raw data used in iPhoto? I currently shoot both jpeg and raw and import them both into iPhoto. What do I gain by collecting Raw data?
Thanks

You get more parameters for making adjustments to the image. This is not really an iPhoto question but more a general photography one. In rather simple terms here's how a digital camera works:
You expose an image. A lot of data is gathered in by the sensor. But it's just a bug lump of data and not very useful in that form.
In cameras that shoot jpeg that mass of data is interpreted/processed into an actual image, and the image is stored in a jpeg file. (that's a process broadly analogous to developing a film). The decisions that go into making that interpretation are all made by an engineer somewhere, back when the camera was developed.
If you shoot Raw, then what you do is take that mass of data, and rather than working to the decisions made by that engineer, you develop the shot - you run the digital darkroom.
Why would you do this? Take on all this extra work? Well one of three reasons: a: you think you can do a better job than that engineer. b: you just prefer the result you get when you develop yourself or c: you're a hopeless shooter and raw means you have more options to fix the mistakes you made in the camera. (That's why I do it.)
Here endeth the two dollar tour. So, basically, if you're happy with what your camera produces in Jpeg then there's really no need to shoot Raw.
There's no need at all to shoot Raw+Jpeg as iPhoto creates a jpeg preview when you import, so you're just wasting space.

HT4007 I have just transferred all my raw, jpeg & tiff files into LR4 and using to opportunity to delete old raw files to free up disc space. How can i completely remove a raw file from my msc disc??

I have just transferred all my raw, jpeg & tiff files into LR4 and using the opportunity to delete old raw files to free up disc space. How can i completely remove a raw file from my mac disc??

I'd be careful here: LR references files. It can copy them, like from an SD card to your hard drive, but it doesn't necessarily make duplicates. So when you say you "transferred" those files "into" LR it just means you referenced existing files. And if you delete those they're gone, unless you've made copies. LR does not import files by copying them into a managed library like Aperture does.

Help with managing RAW and jpeg images and installing iphoto 9

Greetings: Fist, let me make the neophyte apology and plea - I'm sorry, I should have come here first; I didn't and now I need your help.
I have just purchased a macbook pro (still in its box) with updated software for my older imac os x. I have a number of Canon related photo editing programs (that came with my 40D digital SLR) and Adobe photo elements 6 for mac on the imac. Following some erroneous advice I have made a complete mess of the pictures folder's content by trying to delete images directly from that folder (there are now 6000+ images in the folder, many of which are duplicates(?). Most of the images are not tagged or labeled and some have been organized in/by iphoto (I corrupted the iphoto's library structure very early on by disrupting and editing its images - which might explain why iphoto had a difficult time 'finding' and displaying some of my photos). The picture folder now holds jpegs, smallRAW images (a Canon 40D photo format) and various duplicates of the orignal images - (some of the duplicates don't display as images, but as jpeg logos, which, when opened contain duplicate image or are completely black) The first time I downloaded RAW images into iphoto 6 the RAW data displayed as a black image. When shooting in smallRAW on the Canon 40D, the camera produces a jpeg image for 'easy viewing and editing in the camera' but it looks as though iphoto 6 made duplicates of the jpeg and the RAW data and stored them in different locals in the picture file. In an attempt to get the number of images down, I have been trying to delete them from the picture folder. (My daughters both download images rather indiscriminately in hopes of 'editing them on the computer' which inevitably does not happen) and there is a lot of experimental bracketing of images - shooting raw and different Camera formats etc., all of which need to be cleaned up before I proceed.
Sometime in the not-too-distant future I would like to have iphoto 9 running on my imac with a clean library of images and a seamless way of downloading, editing and storing images (including the RAW data).
The macbook pro is for my highschool-aged daughter, who will run iphoto 9 but not have any RAW image data on her system. She would like to copy some of the old iMac's images to put into her own iPhoto 9 library (probably using a disk, email or on-line photo service - ideally, I would like to be able to copy and remove a number of those images from my HD and give them to her for the macbook)
A few questions and queries: Can I 'dis-able' iphoto 6, while I delete images (RAW and jpeg) from the picture file? (and is this even a good idea).
Once I have edited the # of images down to a reasonable size, should I re-launch iphoto 6, rebuild the iphoto library and then update to iphoto 9 or skip v6 and rebuild with v9?
And now for the 'how stupid is this guy question' - I really had planned to purchase an external backup; but between new the macbook, car repairs and braces it has never come to fruition. So, I have never properly backed up my images. What is the bare-bones, least expensive method for me to do this? I'd even consider burning everything to disks if that works. I can't afford the $ to purchase a new external hard drive right now (really). Budget is set aside mid-November for one though.
I've been looking through some other discussion boards and it looks like I'm not the only one having RAW image issues. I know that shooting smallRAW with the companion jpeg is probably not helping things but I take my camera equipment on extended canoe trips - and we like the ease of on-the-spot editing with this format.
Thanks in advance for your help - Mark

Terence, Is the picture folder the primary source for the images or does that data reside somewhere else?
If you gathered them there, then yes.
I really don't want to have to go through 14,000 images looking for the pictures that I want to keep (or is that my only option?).
Only you can decide what you want to keep.
Why does the computer keep making copies of the images and filing them under date and events?
That's how iPhoto works. It's not a problem usually, only you did go in there and make a problem, and now we are trying to fix it.
You advise not to muck around in the picture file via preview,
No I don't. I advise not to much around in the iPhoto Library Folder.
but if I download images through a program other than iPhotos - image capture or adobe aren't I doing that anyway?
Adobe what? Adobe is a software manufacturer who make many excellent applications, you need to be more precise. And no, if you import photos with Image Capture or “adobe” no you are not interfering with the iPhoto Library Folder.
Can you edit a base image file somewhere and remove it from the HD without iphoto making a copy of it and storing it somewhere else?
This is stunningly easy. Don't use iPhoto. Use an image editor.
I want to look the negatives, decide which ones I want and throw the rest away. Can that be done or am I way off course?
Yes, and iPhoto (or similar apps) make this really easy.
Hook up your camera. Import the pics to iPhoto. Go through the imported pics. Trash the ones you don't want. Then process the ones you do. But you must learn how to use iPhoto to do this successfully
To trash: put the pic in the iPhoto trash and empty it. This removes the file from iPhoto and the Hard Disk.
Process it: If you want to use another editor: You can set Photoshop (or any image editor) as an external editor in iPhoto. (Preferences -> General -> Edit Photo: Choose from the Drop Down Menu.) This way, when you double click a pic to edit in iPhoto it will open automatically in Photoshop or your Image Editor, and when you save it it's sent back to iPhoto automatically. This is the only way that edits made in another application will be displayed in iPhoto.
Regards
TD

RAW and Exported Jpegs in same catalog

I use lightroom to import raw files from my Nikon. Then i edit them and export the good ones to jpeg on my network share for viewing. When i import jpegs from my compact camera i import them directly to my network share. Before i always had the jpegs in to the same catalog just under the other path. But now with face recognitioning i get the face from both places with the exported ones. Is there a way to stack the jpeg with the raw file so that they only show once?

Raw and Jpeg next to each other can be treated as the same file, but only if they are in the same physical folder and have the same name.
Are your exported Jpeg files then re-imported into LR in a different folder? That's a problem for what you want to do (and in general I don't recommend reimporting duplicate images).
LR could do a great job of managing your network share using a published folder, if you included the Jpegs from your compact camera on the loca folder along with the raw images. With publish services and a published folder, LR will create (and remove) Jpeg images in a managed location you choose, and you don't need to worry about reimporting duplicates.
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Working with RAW and JPEG Images in Aperture (2 part question)

I just edited a RAW file and stamped the adjustments into the JPEG file. Then applied some RAW fine tuning to the RAW image. For the life of me I cannot tell the difference between the two images and I will not blow up beyond 8 x 10. So is shooting RAW a waste?
Secondly do JPEG degrade every time you open and close them or only if you open them, edit them and then close?
Thanks

Working on JPGs in Aperture does not degrade JPGs at all because the original JPGs are not ever re-saved, and therefore are not ever re-compressed.
As for shooting RAW vs. JPG - I usually shoot both at the same time using RAW+JPG, I have never ever been in a position where I shot RAW and wished I had shot JPG. I have been in positions where I shot JPG that I wish I had shot RAW.
[Why shoot RAW|http://photo.rwboyer.com/2009/01/why-shoot-raw>
RB

RAW, JPEG,camera rendering and profiles

I am an amateur photographer and extensively use many Adobe products including Lightroom 2.4 and Photoshop CS4. Several years ago I made a decision to shoot all my pictures in Raw and use Lightroom to convert to JPEG’s. I started converting them all to DNG’s at one point but finally didn’t see much benefit to that. I appreciate the flexibility and adjustability available with a RAW file format. Up until now I thought that was a good decision. Recently after reading many articles I decided to change to Adobe RGB instead of my Canon 30D’s default format of sRGB. I also changed to recording all images in both Raw and JPEG format at least temporarily to see how it might affect my workflow. I imported both files into Lightroom and was very surprised to see the difference between the RAW image and JPEG image. The raw image was in my opinion dull and unappealing. The JPEG image was vibrant, brighter and definitely more appealing to my eye. Curious, I got online and started reading all the articles, tech notes and Blogs about the difference between RAW and JPEG and to quote one article “Lightroom will not match your cameras rendering when working with raw files as it’s just raw data, but you can use the new profiles to emulate the manufacturer’s look for some cameras, or you can build your own profile to match.” I tried several experiments on my Canon going back to sRGB to see it didn’t make any difference. I tried all the standard Lightroom camera profiles and none of them matched the JPEG image. After working for about 15 minutes I was finally able to get the raw image to closely match the JPEG image but it has me thinking. Do I really want to spend the time on ALL my raw images to match the JPEG image? I understand I can create custom profiles but from want I read every image will be different based on the white balance, color tones etc. What really puzzled me is that when I compare my raw and JPEG images using other image viewers the images are identical??? This includes a Canon application (I can understand that) but also a third party application such as FastStone Image Viewer which will read Canon Raw files. The images are identical. This should not be this difficult! How can FastStone interpret Canon raw files better that Adobe? Is it really true that the camera rendering is not imbedded in Canon’s own raw file format? I really don’t what to have to record all images in raw and JPEG and have to deal and store duplicate files for the rare time the raw format gives me better adjustability that JPEG. I appreciate any and all thoughts on this subject.

Again thanks for your help on this. I want to understand it.
I took two new pictures. The camera was set to record both RAW and JPEG maximum quality. House with reddish bricks, flowers in front, green grass and trees and blue skies with clouds. Pretty standard stuff. On the first set the camera was set on standard picture style. The second was set on faithful. I reset many of the Lightroom defaults. The ones that I though mattered.
There is still differences easily distinguishable between the raw files and JPEG files. Take a look at the 4 histograms:
Raw file standard style.
JPEG Standard style:
Raw Faithful style:
JPEG Faithful style:
Any thoughts?

Shooting in Raw and JPEG

Hi,
I am really new to Elements, and am having trouble using the Editor!
My camera shoots in Raw and JPEG (Sony A100), so I have to go through one by one and delete the JPEGs after uploading. I have looked at all of the Help function in Elements, and can't find a way to delete the JPEGs as I upload them, without having to do it the long way!
Can anyone suggest a quick way around?
Thanks v much

I tend to disagree with the statements about the Downloader. In terms of resources it consumes they are neglibible - 8Mbytes from total system memory of 1Gbyte in my case. They are not active until invoked.
I have found no easier way than using the Adobe Downloader once setup.
1. Plug card into reader
2. Click on Get Photos
It also allows me to choose which Adobe Program the download should be to.
I can't see that using Windows Explorer is more efficient.
1. Open Explorer
2. Set up Folder
3. Drag and drop images from reader
4. Startup Elements
5. Get Photos
However, as always the choice is ours and should be whatever we're comfortable with.
Colin #2

Show both RAW and JPEG in browser view

I exported an original and full-sized edited JPEG from Lightroom. I then imported both files into Aperture 3 with the RAW as master. I would like to know how I can view both the RAW and JPEG in the browser view. I know I can switch which is the master.

Ideally you will want to set this at the import stage, in the import dialogue box the Raw+JPEG Pairs menu gives you the option to bring them in as separate masters.
That said...
Pulldown menu/Photos/Duplicate Version
now with a duplicate right click the duplicate and select set JPEG/RAW as Master
you now have both.
Tony

Move RAW and JPEG / JPG together

Ok, here's one thing that I find *really* annoying.
I often shoot raw + jpeg so that I can give smaller files to models or stylists without having to do a tonne of post-processing.
However, it looks like LR doesn't handle this situation very well. If I have a raw + jpeg pair in a folder and drag that image to another folder in LR, it looks like only the raw will be moved. The jpeg stays in the folder it was originally in.
This kills my workflow, as I have to either delete my jpeg's or move them by hand. It would be very nice if LR could recognize that the images were linked and move them both if I put the RAW file into a different directory, even if it is only applying edits to the RAW.
Thomas Park

I would like to see two parts to this:
* the ability to import (or not) raw & jpg of the same root name. In other words, if I turn it on, I want "foo.dng" and "foo.jpg" both imported. If off, then import "foo.dng", and do not import "foo.jpg".
* Once imported, I would like to be able have Lr let me separately manipulate the two files, or manipulate one while the other lurks in the shadow. For example:
** When treating separately, I should see "foo.dng" and "foo.jpg" as two separate images
** When manipulating just one, I would like to be able to see only one slide in the library, and have edits to metadata apply to both. I'm not sure about during develop: I think I would want to develop the raw, and have no processing applied to the jpg. But it seems like I'm asking for something inconsistent and maybe confusing to people: metadata edits apply to both images, processing applies to one.

Raw into Aperture, Jpeg into iPhoto

If i shoot a combo of RAW and jpeg is it possible to divide the export, WAW going into aperture and Jpeg into iPhoto. I know i could pull them of the card manually, but i was wondering if i could make the programs do this when i put my card into the reader
thanks

Like Beverly,I don't own Aperture,but have looked at it.
Apparently the jpegs are hidden when grouped with RAW.Please see this link in the Aperture forum to get you started:
http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=1637709#1637709
There are several more threads in the Aperture forum which may answer more questions as well.
Good luck,
Scott

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