K7n2 + xp 2200 overclocking

hi guys
i am new to all this o/c stuff so i am wondering if anyone can please tell me where i am going wrong . i have a k7n2 mobo with a xp 2200 cpu . i have moved my cpu fsb from 133 to 145 mhz. if i go any higher than this my pc crashes on me . is there anything other than this i should be changing ? to make it go higher than this . and if so what should i change next .
thanks for any help i may get :]

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Originally posted by variable
Depending on your memory you can push your FSB as far as 200 mhz (that's as far as the MB will allow). There are other ways to push unlock the processor but this is probably the safest and easiest to switch back to.
I recently made an attempt at pushing my XP2200+ up, and of course when I tried to increase/change the muliplier it would'nt even post. So I started bumping the fsb up, I hit 141 and the pc locked up during benchmark. But the temp was at 41-43C. I am now running it at 137 FSB on an MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU with mem settings at full speed timings.. If I lowered those Memory settings would I possibly be able to go farther on the fsb? Or maybe even just switched them to SPD?
Also, my memory is PC2100 only. I had some pc2700 once, but I got jacked on the deal (it ended up being a samsung chip/3rd party board maker stick), and it would only accept the lowest/safest timing settings in bios, so I ditched it and stuck with my 512 PC2100 which allowed more flexibility IMO!!
Anyway, that Ram is probably whats limitting me?? Its running fine with the current 1.86Ghz speeds, but I was really hoping to get it up to at LEAST 1.90....
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Originally posted by belveder
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Also you can try raising the vcore slightly and maybe get a few more MHz.
This one I could'n't do because the CPU VCore Select & CPU Ratio settings where both set to "By H/W" so I didn't know where to start with that one..
I was just wondering, how far can I go with overclocking or this about it? I mean like I decided I wanted to learn how to do it and all that but I never really had an idea how far I can Overclock it to.
In the bios move down to where cpu vcore says By H/W and use the page up/page
down key to select the vcore you want. I would raise my fsb 1MHz at a time till I
reached max fsb before I'd raise the vcore but as you raise the vcore you will also
get higher cpu temps. With the multiplier @ 15 I don't think you can go too much
higher on fsb with that cpu. I'd go as high as I could remaining stable then back off
a couple MHz. In my opinion, with a cpu locked multiplier, the 2500+ Barton with 11
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For a good article on the Barton core see: http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030210/index.html
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Hi everyone,
I wanna overclock my system. But, I've experienced several problems.
Problem one: When i try to set my memory timings manual (3-3-3-8)
in the BIOS, CPU-Z, Everest etc shows CL2.5.... instead of the CL3.0 that I've selected in the BIOS.
The second problem: When i raise the front side bus to 200MHz FSB, and doing the same with the memory speed (200MHz, 1:1 Synchronous with the CPU..)
I get many BSOD's in Windows... So I've tried to raise the RAS#to CAS# delay to 4, the same for #RAS Precharge (also 4) and the Cycle Time (TRAS) at 11.
But this also doesn't work... The memory voltage is already at 2.7V, and it can't get higher...
How can i get this board working on a FSB of 400MHz (200) ? On my previous board (KT600) I've reached the 2.31 Ghz without problems, totally stable.
Anyhelp will be appreciated.
For my specifications, see my signature.
Edit: Oh, i see that i have placed my topic in the wrong place, sorry for that.

Quote from: Computerfreakje on 01-December-06, 22:26:05
Thanks for above suggestions. But, as I said before, i can't change the CAS Latency of my memory... When i set the CAS to 3 in the bios, it stays at 2.5.... (checked with CPU-Z, Everest, CPUID) Is this a known bios-issue?
And my memory is designed to run at 200Mhz CL3.0-3-3-8.... I guess that's the thing that causes the instability... is that possible?
And before i flash my bios, I'd like to know if this solves my problem. As i said before, on my previous motherboard, i ran 210Mhz without a problem... totally stable..
Thanks.
- Computerfreakje
"When i set the CAS to 3 in the bios, it stays at 2.5.... (checked with CPU-Z, Everest, CPUID) Is this a known bios-issue?"
possible, with newest or modded should work normal.(never had similar issue) also underpowered memory stick can cause instability, with modded BIOS should be able to setup mem. vcore to 2.8V which is arround 2.76V(mobo is undervolted), also your Kingston required at least 2.75V to work property at ranked speed with default timings.
"When i set the CAS to 3 in the bios, it stays at 2.5....And my memory is designed to run at 200Mhz CL3.0-3-3-8.... I guess that's the thing that causes the instability... is that possible?"
yes its possible.
"And before i flash my bios, I'd like to know if this solves my problem. As i said before, on my previous motherboard, i ran 210Mhz without a problem... totally stable.."
your prevision mobo is much different.
follow this tips:
go into BIOS and Enable "Super Stability Mode", setup "FSB:RAM" Ratio in 1:1, setup "CPU Interface" to Normal,
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CAS: 3
TRCD: 3
TRP: 3
TRAS: 9
and memory vcore(Voltage) to 2.8V.
get a copy of Memtest86 and create bootable diskette or cd-rom(can be found on memtest site), boot from diskette, when memtest started select and use test number 5 only, that can be done via this keyboard shortcuts from a memtest ("c","1","3","5") ensure you can loop/pass test 20 times without errors.
post back results if there errors come report how much per pass is it. if there are errors go back into BIOS and start pull back FSB by 10Mhz (etc: apply 190FSB) and re-test with memtest. Ensure you have DIMM1 is filled with memory stick(close to CPU socket).
post back results. also check memory sticks individually to ensure there is no malfunction/defective stick.
also single/dual CH differences on Nforce2 is around 1%.

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StormRider,
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- Battlefield 1942 game
I have 2 seperate problems:
1. When I try to set my proc on 13x166 (Barton XP3000+) BIOS won't recognise that settings and it gives me real-clock rate of 833MHz (and no name, just "Athlon XP"). Just a note, when I set proc to be XP2600 or XP2800, everything is great in BIOS and in real conditions (Windows, Battlefield). I had 7.4 version of BIOS and I tried with new 7.6 version and nothing has changed (as I suspected). Can someone help me about this ?
2. Second problem is a bit more serious.
I'm having problems setting my proc to work with 100% stability on 200MHz FSB speed.
This is what's going on:
- Behaviour in Windows is pretty much good (no random restarts).
- Sometimes (on rare occasions) blues screen appears when I'm in windows or some program. Last time when it appeared it said something about "memory managment". I tried to lower memory settings but nothing seemed to be better.
- If I try to freshly install windows on 200 MHz FSB in 98% of the cases installation will be abrupted (blue screen or resets) or it won't even start to install.
- What's bothering me the most is this: Battlefield 1942 is crashing on regular basis. Sometimes it can hold for 5 minutes, sometimes 20 minutes, sometimes half an hour. But on certain moment, puff, and I'm out in Windows. Not a computer restart, just it throws me on desktop.
I've been checking the temperature on regular basis when I'm playing. It is always low.
I've tried to raise core voltage all the way to 1.8v, but same thing happens.
I've tried to lower memory settings, but I get same BF crashing.
I don't know what else to do or what other component to acuse for instability.
Can somebody please help me ?
Thank you in advance !

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On the newer 2500+'s the multiplier is locked, this could be your problem
Nope, because I am changing multiplyers without probs. The only multiplyer that doesn't work is 13x.
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...loosen up your memory timings to add stability, and give it a try again at the 200 mhz fsb without changing the multiplier.
I drove the memory according to the Corsair's specs, and I drove it on lower settings also. No change.
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also you may wish to go up to 2.7 volts for your ram, and 1.7 volts on your processor to add stability, remember sometimes you have to go up gradually a step or two at a time and keep it there for a day or two before you reach your top OC.
I might try upping ram voltage but that doesn't sound good, because it IS DDR 400 memory (an excellent one too !).
It's not like I'm trying to drive it over 200MHz. 200MHz is this memory's normal frequency.
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Newest video driver from ATI may help with the stability on your gaming.
Already have newest drivers.
Anyway, thanks for the tips !

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