K8T Neo dynamic overclocking

I'd like to try out this interesting dynamic overclocking
thing on my new K8T Neo (MS-6702). It seems thousands of
users have figured out how to do this, but I guess I must
be dumber than them all. I keep reading the only section
I see in the manual about DOT (shown below). It implies
one can enable and disable it, but it gives me no clue how.
Apparently it is disabled on my system, since when I run
CoreCell, it always displays 2000 or 2001 MHz, no matter
what programs are running no matter how intensive the
computations. I've downloaded all the utilities with live
update, but nothing in them seems to relate to DOT.
In CoreCell I've left and right clicked on damn near
everything. I still see no reference to DOT. I've even read
all the FAQs to no avail. Can someone point this lost poor
sole in the right direction? I've sent my question to MSI
tech support, but they don't seem fit to answer.
Dynamic Overclocking Technology is the automatic overclocking
function. It is designed to detect the load balance of CPU
while running programs, and to adjust the best CPU frequency
automatically. When the motherboard detects CPU is running
programs, it will speed up CPU automatically to make the program
run smoothly and faster. When the CPU is temporarily suspending
or staying in the low load balance, it will restore the default
settings instead. Usually the Dynamic Overclocking Technology
will be powered only when users' PC need to run huge amount
of data like 3D games or the video process, and the CPU frequency
need to be boosted up to enhance the overall performance.
MSI Reminds You...
Even though the Dynamic Overclocking Technology is more stable than
manual overclocking, basically, it is still risky. We suggest user
to make sure that your CPU can afford to overclocking regularly first.
If you find the PC appears to be unstable or reboot incidentally,
it's better to disable the Dynamic Overclocking or to lower the
level of overclocking options. By the way, if you need to conduct
overclocking manually, you also need to disable the Dynamic
OverClocking first.

You need to enable it in the BIOS under Frequency(?) I'm not exactly sure what the menu is called, I'm at work
I'm pretty sure it's the top right menu screen in BIOS

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    HARD DRIVES......Here you have alot of choices, basically two categories, SATA and PATA(IDE). There are many brands and speeds, IDE drives come in different speeds, such as ata33, ata66, ata 100, ata 133 for hard drives, the 33,100,133, being theoretical maximum transfer rating MB/sec.
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    SATA, here you have two choices, use the Promise chip set or the Via. Either one or both can be set to raid0 or 1, see users guide to setup, You will also have to enable them first in bios, and F6 and load floppy drivers to use in windows install, or load drivers in windows if using an existing install. either chip-set can be set for raid, in the manual, opinions are that the Via is faster, but you wont have a HD LED activity indicator light, The promise will have a HD light, but is slightly slower.
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    some good settings are.. SMART enabled this will warn you of hard disk failure,System bios cacheble and shadow ram are more for older computers and should be set to disable.boot to os2- disable...memory setting vary by card and some even need to be set manually so check with manufacturer or get familiar with cmos reset jumper.(just be sure to have power off)...plug and play os to disable(more of a win 98 thing) disable serials and parallel ports if you don't need them, as with on-board sound firewire etc. this is just a few pointers the rest is a more personal thing, but i have heard turbo setting causes problems and is best left to fast, and dynamic oc'ing is similar use at your own risk
    USB keyboard don't forget to enable USB in the BIOS. This caused some problems when installing XP. Without USB enabled in BIOS when you come to the "Hit any key to proceed" the install will fail with the ntldr error
    POWER SAVINGS...Having trouble getting fans or case lights to shut off on standby set to S3, then disable apm, and be sure to set a wakeup event..such as wake from usb, or keyboard command. I have agp boot disable, but depends on card.
    Want to know more about bios, and what those settings are? click this link
    http://www.rojakpot.com/(eb1mg5zatgcf5r55lv5no155)/default.aspx?location=9
    CORE CENTER....Another personal choice, I like it and use it a lot, to increase and decrease fsb without going through bios. the NB fan sensor should read 0 unless you plug a fan onto it, personally i have an 80mm antec and it doesn't read it, but i tried a old CPU fan and it worked fine.
    COOL AND QUIET Another personal choice, I don't use it because some people have had there CPUs power down in the middle of games, and such
    (it goes down to 800 MHz) others had small bugs in there system that went away when they disabled it. But some like it and use it a lot. Good for energy savings.
    want to get your boot time down
    start by selecting  OS drive as first in boot sequence, you can always change bios when you want to boot from floppy or CD(which isn't often).disable floppy drive seek
    then clean out your startup folder under rt click explore start button.
    try and get services set to auto down to about 25. defrag your hdrive routinely,
    . ditch wall paper, and get rid of windows startup screen.(msconfig,boot.ini.and check noguiboot). keep your drivers updated
    if you can find it you can use then try bootvis, but microsoft doesn't support it anymore.Programs ..some useful free utilities are listed below, check goggle, until i make links for them.
    SiS Sandrahttp://www.sisoftware.net/, a good all around benchmark,burn in and, info display
    3DMARK.http://www.futuremark.com/download/.Mostly a Video tester, good for checking OC though.
    Microsoft Memory testerms memtester
    +86memtest.http://www.memtest86.com/..and Prime95http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htmvery good mem testers, and tests for stability
    spybot search and destroy, http://www.safer-networking.org/index.php?page=homeand
    Lavasoft's ad-aware http://www.lavasoftusa.comgot to have for house cleaning.
    atitool, http://atitool.ocfaq.com/oc ap for ati cards,click find max core let it go for 15min or so,then set back to default, and click find max mem...for 15min or so, and now you have the max you can set your video card too.(but set safety limits before manually setting)
    [STRIKEOUT]mbm5 mbm5 link good alternative temp readings to corecenter.[/STRIKEOUT]
    good program but discontinued.
    OTHER USEFUL PROGRAMS
    Norton utilities, good all around disk and OS utility
    Norton Internet secuirity, or similar firewall and virus protector
    Norton ghost, or other drive image software fantastic for backups
    BF1942...lol just fun
    HOME NETWORKING I will add this part because of additional posing of errors
    dealing with USB Broadband routers...try using on board realtek or other Ethernet connection it will save your sanity.
    well i have a real poor mans router setup for you
    2 Ethernet slots, one for for broadband router and one to share.
    if you only want one other computer, use a crossover cable, otherwise, use a hub or switch(better) and let Internet connection wizard and home networking on your machines work their magic,want a firewall download some software there are even, fairly decent free ones.the speed of the card isn't important because broadband still isn't over 10mb/sec yet, so blow the dust off that card in the closet and put it to work.or if your really brave or really cheap you can try to use the usb input from broadband, and on board ether, or firewire port, to link computers
    Trouble shooting
    for total no boot/post failure
    I know you may know how to build a  computer, and i know this is basic, so bear with me here, but at this point you have to do a methodical by the book check list.
    revision
    A: when you first install your motherboard make sure it does not contact case,
    use all nine mounting points, make sure that your case either has built in risers, or use the small brass standoffs, and don't forget the fiber washers.
    when you installed your CPU you:
    1 ___you properly handle equipment so no static damage can occur, (properly grounded)
    2____.you fully lift the CPU ziff socket arm up, orient the gold triangle marking arrow,pins and it easily dropped into socket, with no bent pins ,
    3 ___ backer plate mounted carefully no missing pieces of the board flying off, ( i have seen people launch capacitors, and the like )
    4 ____obviously you removed the plastic thermal pad cover, and heatsink was evenly locked down, and fully seated, and correctly plugged into mobo cpufan1.
    and you fully removed old thermal pad/grease and applied new artic silver, or new heatsink with plastic on pad,you didn't reuse old paste or pad.
    memory
    5 _____memory stick(not sticks, at this point you just want to get it working, not full blast with a gig of ram etc)is fully seated and properly oriented in slot, and is 184 pin ddr non-registered , non ecc ram , and you have tried different non corsair, non twinmoss, brands that have been known to work. and/ or
    tried to set manually mem speed/voltage for some models of corsair, twinmoss, and kingston)
    6.____ plug in only power switch pins 6,8and power led to jfp1, pins 2,4 and they are turned correctly,
    7. ____your new psu has the 20 pin and square 4 pin power connector plugged in to jpw1 turned right and fully seated. and has  a bare min of 18a on 12v+ rail.
    8 ____your video card is fully seated an locked down,also securely screwed in.
    9 ____your floppy drive cable iss facing right way (pin1 is matched with red stripe)
    10. ____you have ata cables for hd and CD set to master/slave or cs. with hard drive set as master, end of cable.
    11 _____the power plugs are all fully seated, including psu rear plug,floppy ,hd, and CD.
    12. _____keyboard(ps2) and mouse plugged in, monitor plugged into video card,
    13 ______every thing is fully secured in case, side cover is off.
    14 ______CMOS jumper is set 1,2 keep data, all usb stuff is unplugged, except for dbracket.
    power it up, one beep, fans spin, in psu and CPU, and video card,
    you get no bios found error,(promise adapter not finding satas..no worries)
    or hit Del to go into bios, set boot order, and .......
    .........your now at the end of the road, and it should by all means work,
    now what i am after,
    there are no bent pins, on CPU, you reapplied artic silver paste.
    no loose wires,
    properly applied heat sink with fan cooling,
    you have tried different brands of known ,to work in an MSI k8tneo
    ddr ram 1 stick at a tme.
    you have tried different video cards, and in case of higher end card, the external molex power supply as plugged in,
    you have tried different ata hard drives
    you then have tried have set up your SATA drive correctly .
    everything is securely plugged in ..fully seated and oriented the right way?
    what are d-bracket error light, and any beep codes?
    you have tried a different wall outlet, you have changed surge protectors,
    you never hot plugged video cards, hd cables or power etc.
    i know this redundant , and basic , it is not meant to be insulting , it is meant to be a checklist and rule out all basic errors and potential problems
    if your mem bandwidth is slower then 3000..like 2400 this may help
    Received from a user - Slow memory 1T Command fix
    OK, here's what to do. Download the following ftp://ftp.vector.co.jp/pack/win95/hardware/other/wpcrs120.exe extract it, and run InstDD.exe. It'll ask to reboot, you don't need to do it right away, at least I didn't have to. Fire up WPCRSET.exe and do the following. Under startup, click on start, and under device, click enable. Now click add. The bus device and function will be 0,24, and 2. The register and data values will be the 93,08. There we have it! Enjoy everyone. I know I'm much happier now.  
    Here's a graphic to make it easier:
    I will add more by edit, or post as needed but i should post now so it can be put to use.
    I would like to Thank BAS,wonkaboy, Jocko, ethereal, Tiresmoke, Reilly, and the many others whose valued input helps solve problems.

    Quote
    amd 64=12a @12V
    ati 9800=7.5~10.5a @12V (assuming 90~125 watts) a max load,
    a 9600 ir nvida 5200 used far less power
    so your already at 18a with no fan,s no hd, no cd,no dvd ,no mobo chipset , no mem, no sound..etc
    If you exclude the motherboard, memory, etc like you did there, the amd 64 draws 7.2A @ 12V.
    90~125W for an ATI 9800?! [irony]Are you working for a PSU manufacturer or what?[/irony] That's just absurd.  
    Go read this post to get a feel for the actual power consumption: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?postid=297061&sid=#post297061

  • K8T Neo V - Radeon X800 GTO Issues

    Hi, I've just upgraded my PC to an MSI K8T Neo-V MB with an Athlon 3400 and am having
    issues when running it with my Radeon X800 GTO  :(
    Everything boots up ok, until the point Windows XP has loaded and goes to the login screen.
    At this point I get a variety of lockups, screen freezes until the monitor loses 'contact' with
    the gfx card.  It does seem like XP is still running in the background and only the gfx card has failed
    but couldn't be sure 
    However, I can run it with my Radeon 9800 Pro (AGP 4X only mind you, AGP 8X locks up as well
    but I can live with 4x based on what I've read elsewhere in this forum  )
    Steps I took:
    When I found the 9800 worked, I performed a complete un-install of the drivers, rebooted to
    make sure they were gone, powered down, swapped cards, booted and installed drivers, rebooted
    and then it hung.
    I'm running it with a 450 W power supply.
    It's worth mentioning that this card/power supply worked fine on my ASROCK K7s8x MB before the upgrade.

    Well, I'm now lighter in pocket to the tune of £70 !  I had to buy a new power supply in the end to test this one out.  Whilst not my first choice, I ended up with a Jeantech Arctic 600W.  Unfortunately the one I'd earmarked from PC World's website wasn't available in store (I couldn't wait for someone to deliver it to me lol ), however a quick check on the web namely 'Tom's Hardware' confirmed it as a reasonable PSU, and for £70 I should hope so to.
    Now for the bad news...having uninstalled etc etc swapped cards out and installed new drivers....there is no difference at all.  Same issue as before, you get to the XP login screen and it hangs in various different ways.
    I don't think this is a power issue anymore, as all I am running with is:
    The MSI Board
    Athlon 64 3400(not overclocked)
    80GB Maxtor 7200 IDE drive
    1 x DVD Drive
    1 x CDRW Drive
    and possibly at some point, a Radeon X800!, but currently a Radeon 9800 Pro

  • HEAVY Problems with Linux x86_64 on K8T Neo

    Hello, Community!
    I experience *HEAVY* Problems with Linux on my MSI K8T Neo (FSR). Since the customer support of the german dependancy seems to ignore my call for help I'm in good hope that maybe you can help me out or give me some useful advise.
    First some Hardware Specs of my system:
    MSI K8T Neo FSR, Rev 1.1, BIOS 1.5
    AMD Athlon 64 3000+
    3x 512MB Kingston DDR400
    Enermax EG365P-VE (350W) PSU (3.3V/5V 185W Combinded)
    MSI GeForce FX5200 TDR 128
    Adaptec ATA RAID AAR1200A (HPT370A) in PCI Slot 3
    Hauppauge WinTV PCI in PCI Slot 5
    Maxtor 4K040H2 (40GB) as Primary Master
    JLMS XJ-HD166S DVD-ROM as Primary Slave
    LiteOn LDW-411S DVD+/-RW as Secondary Master
    LiteOn LTR-52327S CD-RW as Secondary Slave
    2x Maxtor 6Y060L0 (60GB) on HPT370A as Primary Master/Slave
    Seagate ST380020A (80GB) on HPT370A as Secondary Master
    Maxtor 32049U3 on HPT370A as Secondary Slave
    KeyTronic KT2001 USB Keyboard
    Microsoft Optical Wheel Mouse Blue USB
    I've downloaded Fedora Core 1 x86_64 as well as the lately released Fedora Core 2 test 3 x86_64 distribution. Both CD sets have been burnt ok.
    If I try to install Core 1 x86_64 (Kernel 2.4.22-1.2179) the kernel crashes with a "attempted to kill idle task" panic. As far as I've learned the workaround is to give idle=poll as kernel parameter. This resolves the kernel panic, but the installer randomly crashes with segfaults at a random stage; sometimes while loading anaconda, sometimes during package install.
    If I try to install Core2 test 3 x86_64 (Kernel 2.6.5) I get a, completely new, error message while the kernel does the PCI Scan:
    ******* Your BIOS seems to not contain a fix for K8 errata #93
    ******* Working around it, but it may cause SEGVs or burn power
    ******* Please consider a BIOS update
    ******* Disabling USB legacy in the BIOS may also help
    I removed my USB keyboard, connected a PS/2 keyboard, disabled to USB Legacy option (I need it enabled in order to use Ghost) in the BIOS and booted again.
    The error message is gone now, but as in Core 1 the installer still crashes randomly with segfaults. I'm still unable to go all the way through the installation routine.
    I even tried to install Fedora Core 1 "i386": again there are segfaults during install.
    Contrary to the problems I experience while trying to install Linux my Windows XP (32-Bit), as well as a test installation of Windows XP 64-Bit, run like a charm without any problems. Strange but true.
    Since I already read trough several posts in this forum I already tried running my system with memory sticks from another manufacturers as well as with a more powerful PSU. I even removed my tv-card and raid-controller.
    Nogo - Linux still crashes randomly and Windows still works without any flaws.
    Has anyone a clue what I can/must do to successfully install Linux?
    Might it be that the BIOS has some flaws that might cause the problems?
    Has anyone managed to install Linux (what distribution) on this Mainboard?
    I would greatly appreciate any help. If you need to know something I haven't provided here please feel free to ask. I'll answer ASAP.
    Thank you in advance.
    P.S.: The system is *NOT* overclocked in any way.

    And now even the last problem is solved ...
    Since I was successful in installing a basic Gentoo system but still failed to install Fedora I reflashed BIOS 1.5. This time I cleared the CMOS by unplugging the PSU, setting the jumper and removing the backup battery.
    Yesterday I only flashed it with the /a switch, which should have cleared the CMOS as well - so far for the theory. However, it once went fine as I upgraded from BIOS 1.1 to 1.4.
    After setting up the BIOS options again I gave it another try and booted from Fedora (Core 2 test 3) install CD: No more complains about the CPU errata, although USB legacy is enabled, and I even went through the installation without any problems.
    It seems as I will stick with Gentoo as my primary distribution since the kernel makes a more "mature" impression than the one from Fedora (i.e. the K8 PowerNOW! Driver seems to be missing in Fedora's Kernel 2.6.5).
    By using an spare Athlon XP Mainboard I worked out that only one of my three Kingston memory sticks had errors - I'm going to replace the faulty stick tomorrow.
    Now for the conclusio:
    Thanks, especially you JLP, for helping me with my issue. Without the advise to use Gentoo, and the included MemTest86, I wouldn't have been able to track down the error to a faulty memory stick that fast since Windows always ran fine.

  • Locked Frequency on Promise SATA/PATA Controller on K8T Neo FIS2R?

    We all know that there is no PCI lock on any K8T800.  However, this link to an Athlon 64 info page on Mushkin's website declares that the Promise contoller on the Asus K8V board has a "locked" frequency.  You'll have to scroll down to the heading "The boards currently most in demand for the Athlon64 are:" and read the *.
    Question number 1, does the K8T Neo have an identical Promise controller to the Asus K8V (I think it does)?  Question number 2, is it even possible for any SATA/PATA controller to "lock" it's frequency since it's on a PCI bus?  Question number 3, can anyone verify that this frequency is locked or not?
    I know there are software tools out there to check the hypertransport speed, etc.  but is there a tool that could test the speed at the controller?  If this link from Mushkin is true, then you would be crazy to overclock on anything but the Promise controller given the history of this board scrambling hard drives when overclocked.

    Quote
    Originally posted by Jocko
    Hey, now thats interesting, I may backup, and try to OC again.
    If thats your pic, I hope this isn't a fishy story, is the fish in the pic edited with Photoshop
    Cheers
    jocko
    Actually, it's a 4.5 pound Smallmouth Bass I caught at Smith Mountain Lake in Virginia last March.  It was taken with a digital camera and I had to shrink down the size to fit here, but no editing was done.  It's the real deal.  Almost worthy of a citation, missed it by a half pound or a half inch.

  • I can't handle any more problems with this K8t NEO

    Hi all, I am new to the forum.
    I will honestly say I have tried to read allot of posts before I spoke up but....
    I have:
    K8t NEO
    3200 64
    Updated to the latest BIOS
    Corsair Overclocking RAM (I am looking up the specs)
    256 sick on slot 1
    256 stick on slot 3
    A new PS....something like:
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    5v 38
    12v 24 (the local CS gave me a hard time saying I DO NOT NEED such a big PS)
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    NVIDIA 5600 256
    and dwindling patience.
    anyhoo, I have had one problem after another trying to get this system to work.
    It took 3 hours to find that you cant run 3 sticks of ram.
    The manual is the worst one I have ever seen. and there is no phone number to be found to talk to tech support.
    I am not getting anywhere with the email "support" from MSI....a DAY to get an abreviated answer that does not answer the specific question. It may be a viable system if they get more staff.
    One question...why does the screen "push any key to boot from CD" get "missed"
    and two.... I cannot install the OS. It will scopy all of its files and on reboot, i get a messasge about not finding the boot info or something...and to insert a floppy.
    I gave up and ran a preloaded HD and it worked for a day until during a recording session, It crashed and when it rebooted it says it cant find any boot info...I should of wrote down the message.
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    I have tried:
    A different HD cable
    HD jumper settings (Slave / Master)
    I tried a low level format.
    3 different HDs
    Bought the new PS.
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    Sorry for venting here.
    Can anyone can help?
    TIA,
    ~Wizzie

    Hey Wizzie
    Although I have bought stuff from Tiger Direct ...If I were you instead of fooling around with RMA-ing more defective/incompatable  RAM why not get the RAM modules that are indeed compatable with this mobo .........
    http://memoryx.net/gn512pc3200.html
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    more info:
    Memory X offers this Nanya Original 512MB PC3200 DDR 400 184 Pin Memory module. This Nanya memory is the highest quality available on the market.
    512MB Nanya PC3200 CL2.5 184pin DDR400 DIMM
    Nanya is a world leading manufacturer of memory modules.
    512MB 184p PC3200 16c 32x8 DDR DIMM.
    Backwards compatible with DDR200, DDR266 and DDR333
    Manufactured by Nanya
    New, Lifetime warranty
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