KT3 ultra doesn`t OC right

KT3 Ultra-ARU(MS-6380E)
xp1800 unlocked
256 PC2400 OEM
MSI GF4 Ti4600
RAID
MB will oc fine till I get to 14x and 15x
then it does it by 4 and 5 not 14 and 15.
3DMARK score with no OC`ing
also the VC doesn`t like to be oc`ed all!
I do the auto thing and it bumps up the memory speed, but messes with the textures bad, and then doesn`t even give an increase in score.
MSI live says I have the latest bios and drivers, but the 3100...still have the 30.82 drivers.

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Originally posted by Rukee
but that doesn`t explain why it will not multiply right. At 14x it multiplys by 4 and at 15x it multiplys at 5 not 15. everything is fine till you get to 14x.
are you saying an xp1800 will not clock above 13.5x???
I can't explain it correctly without further studies on Athlon multipliers above 13.5. Anyway, the choice of multiplier is defined by 5 L1 bridges on the core.
L1 bridge
1 - 0.5x
2 - 1x
3 - 2x
4 - 4x
5 - 8x
It shows the maximum multiplier is x15.5.
Maybe others have better explanation for your case. Stay tuned.

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KT3 Ultra ARU PC hangs

Hi there.
I have a MSI KT3 Ultra ARU motherboard, AMD XP 2600+, 2x 256 MB Apacher DDR 333 and a Radeon 9700 Pro card. Yesterday I changed CPU from Thunderbird 1.4 to XP 2600+. I had some memory problems with one of the apacher modules, but everything worked fine afterwards. I must say my computer including the OS (WinXP Pro) has been realy stable up to now, and I have never seen this kind of a hang before.
I was burning a CD (in 4x) while watching a .avi file and the computer hangs. It did not hang fully at the start. First hang nero, then some other programs, then startmeny and desktop, and then the mouse. PC speaker was making a constant bip the whole time until I restarted...
The system booted up, but I was wondering what it could be? I have some feeling it may be a memory problem, and will check that later on, but that will take some time. I hope someone here knows what to doo, and help me solve this problem.
Everyone where I am from tells me to buy intel becouse they say AMD is not as stable as intel. I dont think intel is bether than AMD, and my old Thunderbird was rockstable even at 1636 MHz, overclocked by multiplier.

Hi DataFMT,
Thanks!
You should see my IRQ's, I tried to get them all on a single one :D
It doesn't matter if they are shared or not.
But the trouble is, the APIC does try to seperate them for the CPU's (Yes CPU's) as it's Multi-CPU specification and designed to seperate them in order to let the appropriate CPU handle the IRQ instead of all off them at the same time.
On a single CPU system this is stupid to use as the CPU needs to respond to every IRQ anyway.
Microsoft gas gone totaly nuts on this matter and their article about the APIC is as stupid as it can be.
They are mixing all sorts of (A)Pic's without knowing what they are doing.
Ever wondered why Multi-CPU systems are so hard to get stable when the need for high-load is there?
Every system today has multiple PIC (programmable IRQ controller).
The first old one is called PIC, that one needs to be programmed for every IRQ and has a hard time on IRQ sharing and the OS needs to program it, when you use Standard-PC, that's the one you use.
Not a good one to use as it slows the system down.
So far Microsoft is right.
The next one is the Local-APIC (A=Advanced), this one can share IRQ's without problems and sort of programs itself, ergo, you can't change IRQ's, and there is no need to do so anyway.
This one is used when you enable ACPI and use ACPI-compliant-system.
It's fast, stable and very OS/driver friendly.
Then you have the I/O APIC, in the chipset, that one is the APIC/MPS the BIOS setting controls.
MS screws up here big time, this one translates the real IRQ's into addresses and feeds them to the CPU PIC or Local-APIC, depend if ACPI is enabled or not.
This one is a trouble maker, because the translation isn't needed for a single CPU system and not all drivers like it's behavior.
Another thing is that it needs to buffer a lot, and when driving your system to the limits it can jump IRQ signals because the servicing of them can be a bit behind.
This looks like the system is faster, but a jump can cause a lot of trouble.
Good samples of this happening are running too fast/slow system clock in WinNT/2000/XP when you have a heavy load.
Do a search in google and you see plenty examples.
Another good example of this is caused by Norton, that can disturb the sound when Apic is used.
I have discussed with MSI why APIC was turned on by default, they said it was stupid, but the PC-2001 spec requires this....and guess who wrote the spec???? :D
I have also seen that a lot of other Mobo makers are starting to turn the APIC off by default and let you run with the Local-Apic by default.
A far better choice if you ask me, but then who asks me??? :P

Kt3 Ultra-ARU MBFastTrack Problem

I am running a MSI KT3 Ultra- ARU I am having problems with MBFastTrack It doesn't let me do the auto setup. It does detect my HD. I have Raid Enabled. I am trying to run 2 HD's and I would like to make sure I have it all set up right. I don't think i do tho. what can i do to make sure it's running right and why can't i do the auto set up in MBFastTrack. I'm a newbe to computers so any ideas will be helpful.
My system:
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ATI Radeon 8500LE 128 DDR
Sound Blaster Live
550 W PS
Hp CD writer

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Help with kt3 ultra

I just brought a KT3 ultra today. And I got a black screen(the mouse didn't show up) is after logon screen (the bar the moving under the windows)
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I had try to install the new bios for motherboard, format my harddirve and reinstall the windows xp... and I still can't get into windows.... I can only get into safe mode with network connectation.
I also disable the raid from the motherboard
and disable all the service in the msconfig.... but it still doesn't work... can anyone help.... plz...

yeah I disable the aspi already....
and i didn't overclock it...
I can boot up with the windows sometimes... (by keeps trying to reboot.... ) but the graphs is not right...
like the icon on the start button... it will change longer if I click on it
also.... when I am open the system in control pannel, it tells me that I am using 2.xx mhz and 3xx mb ram...
I am going to buy a new cpu and graphs card now to see is that work...

KT3 Ultra 2 - Bios V5.7 - Problem

Hello,
I don't know if anyone else has tried updating the KT3 Ultra 2 to the new V5.7 BIOS ?
I tried and got load of error messages on the screen, Chipset isn't support etc ROM Size Unknown ....
I have V5.6 on right now.
I have tried Live Update, it doesn't show new bios and also tried another floppy with files on and also downloaded the file again.
No win !

I did not have that particular problem but I found others
I was able to load new 5.7 bios but after I did it took board about 2 minutes to boot.
The part where the XP logo screen is supposed to come up took about 2 minutes. There is no HD (light) activity and then all of a sudden you hear harddrive and XP logo screen comes up and it boots fine.
The same situation arose with Bios 5.6 but I was able to fix that by changing MPS table from Default 1.4 to 1.1. The XP screen would take about 2 minutes to boot so I tried changing settings in bios and finally came to the MPS entry and changed it to 1.1 and the board booted fine. It took about 3-5 sec for the XP logo scrreen to pop up after the last bios screen that would show all the Devices, IRQ's ect...
Changing the MPS to 1.1 in the 5.7 bios did not fix the long boot problem like it did in 5.6.
I can live with the 5.6 bios but the CPU halt command in the 5.7 bios drops temps about 20 degrees F and that is great. I hope this problem can be fixed in 5.7 so I can utilize the CPU Halt command.
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Hercules Gforce 2 GTS/Pro 64mb
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KT3 Ultra + v5.7 BIOS -- weird behaviour

I have KT3 Ultra with newly flashed 5.7 BIOS + XP2100, 512 333DDR, Club3D 9700np, WindowsXP.
I had some start-up troubles after installing 9700np (8 beeps and no signal), which forced me to reset the system every time after power up to load windowsXP. So, I decided to flash the BIOS. Now, system boots up with no problems, but I've encountered a new problem.
Pressing ctrl+alt+del doesn't bring up the TASK MANAGER. All I get is the CPU USAGE window. Thus, processes, applications etc., those are gone. This means, basically, that I can't shut down programs that are not responding (not that I need to do that very often, but still...). Right clicking on the task bar and selecting TM shows me the same CPU USAGE window.
In addition, IE's pop-up windows that launch external programs (like some sites offering mp3 ring tones that I play with Winamp) cause IE to crash. Never happened before.
All this happened right after I flashed the BIOS. Any ideas?!?! Should I go back to 5.5 that I had before?
Thanks,
Thomas

This is pobubly off topic, but since the title is KT3 Ultra and Bios 5.7 I decided to ask here so as not to create a duplicate thread.
I to flashed my Bios to 5.7, but my problem is as follows.
After flash rebooted my computer as instructed, entered bios and verified all my configurations. Rebooted again. Windows came up fine but all text was garbled and unreadable. Reflashed 5.7 (thinking it didn't take). Again same problems. Had to flash back to 5.6 inorder to straighten out.
Bas any ideas?
Thomstucks:: Sorry to hear about your problem, and for jumping in on your thread. Have you tried 5.6?

KT3 Ultra 2 and 2600+ = I give up

Well I have been running a 1900+ in a KT3 Ultra 2 for over a year and finally decided to buy a 2600+ with the $400 tax relief check I got.
To make a long story short, the board did not like it. It would randomly not post, and simply would not boot windows (usually a registry error) with anything over a 150 fsb. At 150 or less though windows worked perfectly. I combed the forums here and google groups and nothing here helped.
So I gave up. Bought a KT6 Delta - LSR (just came in today) and so far it works flawlessly! Great board for only $89.
The KT3 Ultra 2 still runs without a glitch with my old 1900+.

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it is something other than the board
At fsb150 the whole system runs outside its specifications, not only the ram. fsb150 means pci37MHz and agp74Mhz. If you use fsb166 the system will be within it's specifications again = pci/agp 33/66MHz. Especially the chipset of the KT3 itself doesn't like overclocking so much.
The KT6 seems to be much more powerfull in case of overclocking, if you meant this you're absolutly right. But give it a try at fsb166, maybe it works?

KT3- Ultra aru board (ms-6380e series) processor question

Ok i'm running a msi kt3 ultra aru motherboard with bios version 5.7
looking at the cpu charts i'm slightly confused. What I'm wondering is can I run an athlon 3000 processor on this board? I know its going to raise the bus speed up but I'm running pc2700 ram right now so I dont see that being a problem.
anyone either running a newer processor on this board, or who would know the answer, it would be appreciated....
thx!

You guys rock. Thanks for the feedback. haven't made the purchase yet, got a friend that manages a compusa thats supposed to be getting me a deal, we'll see I guess....
THANKS AGAIN!!!

MSI KT3 Ultra ARU - Can\'t install W2K !!

I've just bought my first AMD powered rig and I'm not able to install W2K pro. First let me say I'm not a computer novice and have been handling workstation/server hardware/software for years in the Intel world.
The failure happens at different places in the install, with different results.. sometimes while copying files the system freezes.. sometimes in the middle of a copy i get the BlueSOD... sometimes after copying files when booting into Windows 2000 for the first time the system just reboots to a black screen and is unable to find a boot partition... so we start over and the install deletes copied files and begins again.
KT3 Ultra ARU
AMD 2200+
Corsair CMX512-3000C2
Pri IDE M - Seagate ST313021A 13GB
Pri IDE S - Sony CDROM CDU6111-F
Sec IDE M - Asus CDRW 4012-A
Sec IDE S - none
Raid Disabled in Bios
Followed Mr.Steveo's guides for hardware installation, flashing BIOS from 5.4 (kept a copy) to 5.5. No problems.
Followed Mr.Steveo's guide for BIOS settings, using his recommendations to the letter, then after failure changed SRRAM freq: to HCLK+66 for 3000C2 ram... BUT still fails.
Additional detail - I lost my original W2KPro CD, and my copy is not bootable... so I'm creating a 2GB DOS partition and booting with a Win98 boot disk to get to the CD and running WINNT from there.
I've gone through the posts on both the AMDMB and MSI forums and seen some insightful suggestions... but nothing that exactly duplicates by problems. Hopefully one of you bright bulbs will be able to light my way. :D
When I get the BSOD I get different STOP errors:
0x0000000A IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
(BIOS or Drivers using improper memory address)
0x0000001E KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED
(A kernel mode process tried to execute an illegal or unknown processor instruction)
HELP !!

Back Rev'd the Bios to 5.4 but that didn't help. Back to the forums...
Bas - Thanks for reminding me of the KISS principle (Keep It Simple Stupid). I had simplified the HW but was still altering the Bios settings to where I know they should be.
WELL - I HAVE SUCCESS !!
In further research, (being new to this - remember?) I also find threads saying that I'm supposed to clear the CMOS/NVRAM using a motherboard jumper before powering up the board for the first time and after changing processors. I don't know how accurate that is - maybe someone will be kind enough to elaborate.
I've asked Mr.Steveo in the AMDMB forums if he thinks this step needs to be included in his hardware installation guide. I followed it religiously in my install and it doesn't mention doing this.
Anyway, I got the OS installed. After that, I went back into the Bios and added all suggested settings. I'm getting "2200+" in the boot screens and in the OS.
Now lets finish the install and see if we remain stable. After several days of burnin, I'll OC some to see what I can get.
Thanks Guys!!

MSI KT3 Ultra ARU 5.7 BIOS and SoudBlaster Cards - Audigy

I have flashed my BIOS to 5.7 Version and my sound card start to make a lot of noise (crackling) when play AC3 or DVD. If you dont want to use the new AMD CPU 333 FSB you dont need to flash the BIOS - I have Flashed to 5.6 again but, if you want to use a 333 FSB CPU you can flash the BIOS to version 5.7 and if have sound problems use the PCI latency patch for VIA chipsets.
VIA chipset MotherBoard owners who have through all of the above and still have sound problems with their Soundblaster cards, might want to look into the PCI latency patch for VIA chipsets - get it here:
http://www.georgebreese.com/net/software/
(scroll down the page there just a little to get to it).
There's also a similar page about resolving sound problems on Via chipset based computers here:
http://www.deinmeister.de/mvp3_zlt_e.htm
I hope this post help somebody
Mário Silva from Beja - Portugal
My System:
MSI KT3 Ultra ARU
Athlon 2400+
512 Kingston PC2700 DDR SDRAM
MSI Geforce4 Ti 4200
SoundBlaster Audigy
Windows xp Pro SP1
400W PSU
Creative Drx3
Pinnacle PCTV pro
HDD Maxtor 80 GB UDMA 133
DVD Pioneer slot in
RW Samsung 48x16x48
Creative WebCam Go
UPS 500 VA
Monitor Sony 19" E400E

Since my chip is an unlocked, I cannot easily run it at the default, but I can underclock it. At 100x6.0=600mhz, USB does not work, as well as 100x12.5. Same with 133x6.0 and 133x12.5. It appears to make no difference underclocking or overclocking.
I downloaded the right BIOS listed on MSI's KT3 Ultra-ARU page. I don't think the BIOSes are different anyway, since the same files, changelog, and etc are also listed for the Ultra-2 board.
A thing to note, that this is the onboard VIA-controller USB ports doing this. My Ultra-ARU's NEC-controller USB 2.0 ports work fine in both Win2k and Linux if I hook my mouse and keyboard up in those. This is not an ideal solution for me though.

MSI KT3 ultra aru Western Digital 200GB raid problem

Hi!
This is what I've got.
KT3 Ultra-ARU (MS-6380E)
AMD 2000+
256 MB 333mhz RAM (AMD Compatible)
Seagate ST330630A 30GB (an old drive)
Maxtor 6L080J4 80GB
Maxtor DiamondMax Plus9 6Y080L0 80Gb 7200rpm 2Mb UDMA133 Fluid IDE
Western Digital Caviar WD1800JB 180Gb 7200rpm Special Edition UDMA100 IDE
Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB 200Gb 7200rpm Special Edition UDMA100 IDE
Promise 100 IDE-controller
Creative Geforce MX 440
Lite-on LTR-40125W
NEC ND-1300 DVD
And the configuration:
IDE1: Seagate (Master)
IDE2: WD1800BG (Cabel Select)
IDE3(Raid1): Maxtor 6LO80J4 (Master) and Maxtor 6Y080L0 (Slave) raided as an single drive
IDE4(Raid2): WD2000JB (Cable Select)
IDE5(IDE-controller1):
IDE6(IDE-controller2): NEC ND-1300 (Master) and Lite-on LTR-40125W (Slave)
And the Software:
I've updated all the software drivers so I've got the newest and I'm currently runnign Win2k SP3 with almost every patch installed on it.
And finally the problem:
When I've hook my WD2000JB to the on-board raid everything seems to be working normaly. The bios finds the drive and makes a new array. Win2k boots up and finds the drive and I can create an partition. But when I've try to format it it the computer starts to freeze for a while and then acts like normal again. The HDD-led blinks as it should during the "normal" time, but when the comp. freezes it stops blinking. The formatation stops at 7% and the HDD-led stops lighting. I don't get an error eventhough it was several hours since it stoped. And the formatation takes like 30min for 1%.
When I connect the WD2000JB to the IDE3 I can format it and it acts just like normal. I even did a full system test with the System tool found on Western Digitals support site and it didn't find any errors. But when move it to the raid-IDE the errors return. I've get Error reading / writing to disk and when I've did a chkdsk I've got the "Coudn't use Device) so I did a scandisk and it found very very many errors so it completly ereased everything that was on it.
And when I've run Western Digitals program again i've get an error (Disk error read/writing) error code: 0113.
Can it be that the Western Disk doesn't work well with Raid? I've haven't heard anything about that, so...
Best regars,
Mathias

You can have a look at my hardware below...
Chassis: Antec 1080B (300w PSU / 180w COMBINED)
Mainboard: MSI KT3 Ultra ARU
CPU: AMD Athlon XP 1800+
Display: ABIT Siluro GF4 Ti4200 AGP 4X
DVD/CD-RW Combo: HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4120B
Floppy: Panasonic 1.44MB
HD: Quantum Fireball Plus/AS 30.0GB UDMA 100
Keyboard: Microsoft Internet Keyboard Pro
Monitor: KDS Visual Sensations VS-190
Mouse: Microsoft USB Wheel Mouse Optical
NICs: 3Com 3C900B / DLink DFE-530TX
RAM: Micron DDR 266MHz (2x256MB DIMMs)
Sound: Avance AC'97 Audio
I've had similar problems where my system becomes very unstable at higher bus speeds. Installing Windows XP simply didn't work very good. However, I have ordered a new PSU today as a solution to this problem. Basically, CPUs and video cards are much more demanding and the more devices you have in your computer the more power you're going to need. I recommend purchasing the Enermax EG465P-VE (FCA) 450W ATX PS. It has a higher amperage rating and will most likely solve your problem.
Check your PSU and your bus speed settings...

MSI KT3 Ultra ARU, FSB for Processor

Help me!
I have a KT3 Ultra ARU, which is lovely, however, I had an XP 1700+ with 512 DDR 266 Ram. The FSB was running at 133. However, i tried to change it, and it wouldn't boot.
Fine, so I resetted Cmos and all was ok.
I have now just installed an XP 2200+ with 512 DDR 333 Ram. My FSB, again, is 133, but i'm sure I read it can go up to 166 for these components. Is that right????
Many thanks in advance,
Jon

I know that the 40.41 drivers were specifically targeted to the vertex shader performance, thus increasing the nature test, however, I don't know what else they did to get such a high performance increase. All I can say is amazing. You can get the drivers here , that is assuming you are running winxp or 2000 as this driver only supports those.
Edit: It is a good idea to burn in your hardware before you go overclocking stuff. You may need to play with clock frequencies for your vid card as I can overclock alot higher then 305/605 but performance (and therefore score) drops significantly. Try different settings and run the test, when you feel comfortable overclocing. Be aware if you have never overclocked, that it can damage you components and void any warranty you have on your hardware.

MSI KT3 Ultra ARU -- After placing XP 2600+, motherboard dead

Like the thread title says, my KT3 Ultra ARU board doesn't work anymore :( (no video signal, all D-leds red).
This is what happend, I upgraded my XP 2000+ to 2600+.
Everything worked like a charm, until I removed the 2000+ CPU and changed it with the 2600+.
No video signal and all D-Leds are red.
When I changed it back to the old situation (2000+), the motherboard did the same :(
I changed hardware, but with no results whatsoever(videocard, mem etc.), And the BIOS recovery tool is (like always) not possible, because the system doesn't respond to anything and just hangs at a black screen.
The BIOS was upgraded to v5.6 (XP 2400+/2600+ Support) before the change. The cooling sits perfectly and the core of the CPUs are good (not broken or anything).
Are these signs of a dead motherboard? ;(

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Originally posted by MikNT
IUpon clearing CMOS I found that I had to leave FASTCOMMAND at Normal since now I operate at 166 and it seems 166 and FAST or ULTRA do not go hand in hand. I have no idea why.
Hi! I got the same problem. With BIOS version 5.4 and 5.5 I could choose between normal, fast and ultra. Now with 5.6 it doesn't work at all (also tried with modified bios to have full raid functionality). So if you're running both FSB and memory @166mhz, you can't boot with ultra or fast (I haven't tried ultra, since fast always gives me the best perfomance).
Ah! And I can choose ultra or fast with FSB @ 133 and Mem @ 166.

MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU + All In Wonder Problem

I've got a odd problem that is related to putting my machine into Standby. If I do so the night before, then wake the system up in the morning I see issues that point to memory corruption or driver failure or a conflict with the VIA chipset. Outlook Express will lock up on launch, the ATI digital VCR app will either not launch or fail to shutdown if it does. I clean installed Windows XP, then updated it with XP SP1. Of note is that the video card works ok with the OS supplied driver but if you install the ATI drivers (which are needed to make the TV and Digital VCR work) this stuff happens. I have reinstalled several times so I am pretty sure this isn't just a messy config issue. I've had bad experiences similar to this with VIA chipset mobos in the past so this doesn't surprise me.
Anyone ever see this? Know of a fix?
-- Richard
Mobo: KT3 Ultra-ARU MS-6380E
CPU: Athlon XP 1800+
Video: All In Wonder Radeon
RAM: 512MB Samsung PC2100
HD: Seagate 80GB Barracuda IV
OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Version: 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Build 2600
BIOS Version/Date: American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T, 4/2/2001
SMBIOS Version: 2.3

I don't know if this will help or not but....
I had issues with the latest drivers from ATI. I downloaded the tv capture drivers, display drivers, etc. in the 7.7 bundle. I went back to the 7.6 bundle and have had zero problems since.

MSI KT3 Ultra-Aru (KT333) and Duron Applebred??

Hi, welcome,willkommen,witajcie,dobry den, ... (I know this word in 11 languages)
I have MSI KT3 Ultra-Aru (KT333) and J want to buy AMD Duron 1800MHz(Applebred).
Does my motherboard support that processor?? It will work without problems??

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Originally posted by osnavi
pk.master: It doesn't make any sense to discuss about the answer to your question. If MSI says your Mobo doesn't support that CPU and people who know what they say, agree with that, Why argue ? If you want, go and buy it, as at last you are the one to decide what to do.-
in msi website the 333 fsb cpus are not supported too in kt3 ultra-ultra aru but they still work... so it make sense to discuss if applebred work or not in those mobos.

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