Leopard MDC with Tiger Clients?

I'm well aware of the rule which states MDCs should be the same as, or no more than one version ahead of, the cleints.
So far so good.
Does this mean I can update the MDCs to 10.5.1 server whilst leaving clients on 10.4.11 for the time being?
Trying to update the entire system in one go will spoil my Christmas!

It is possible, if you're using the latest version (1.4.2). Won't work with an earlier version.
Read the release notes for 1.4.2 -- it has specific instructions on exactly what configs are supported and how to upgrade to it.

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Can Leopard Server update Tiger clients?

Can anyone tell me if Leopard server can update the OS of Tiger clients? I know Tiger server can't update Leopard clients, but the other way around?

Hi
Not true. I have a 10.4 OD Master with a managed group using the SUS Service on a 10.5 Server. The 10.5 Server is connected to the 10.4 Directory. DNS Services for both servers are on the 10.4 Server as is the DHCP Service. 10.4 and 10.5 Clients that bind to the 10.4 Server are updated using the 10.5 SUS with no problems at all. The only issue I've seen is 10.5 clients occasionally can't use the 10.5.2 Combo Update on the SUS Server. There is the 'cant expand package properly' error message. At first I thought this was because the latest Intel iMacs were able to update but not Leopard installed PPC models. One solution was to keep a manually downloaded .dmg of the 10.5.2 update on the Server and push it out using ARD or copying it locally and installing it that way. However earlier Intel models - occasionally - are also not updating - pre-dominantly first generation macbooks and macminis but every now and again some of the later Aluminium model iMacs.
This is an intermittent problem though and may be due to the small bandwidth that the SUS server is having to use to access apple's downloads server (1MB). When the SUS was on the 10.4 Server with a higher bandwidth connection (4-5MB) there was never any problems with the downloads but quite a few with the Service stopping itself and having to be restarted using the command line.
The amount downloaded for 10.5 SUS is greater (approx 13-16GB) than 10.4 SUS (approx 10-11GB) - obviously. It took 4-5 days for the 10.5 SUS to make available all the downloaded updates - obviously due to the 1MB connection but also there were problems with accessing the updates server at that time. I think this was because Leopard Server had not long been made available and like a lot others it was in a testing environment where all the services were being tried to see what was worked and what did not.
Tony

Using 10.6 NetBoot v1.0 with Tiger client images on PPC tray-loading iMacs

Hi all - I'm a bit confused over some documentation I'm reading. I'm reviewing the "System Imaging and SW Update Admin" guide for Snow Leopard Server (available at http://images.apple.com/server/macosx/docs/SystemImaging_and_SW_Update_Adminv10.6.pdf) and am puzzled on a few things.
We have several older tray-loading iMacs that currently have client images served up from an old Xserve running OS X Server (Tiger). In the first part of the guide, I saw that the Snow Leopard System Image utility would not work for creating images from older PPC-based systems. However, later in the guide it refers to enable NetBoot 1.0 (which can run alongside NetBoot 2.0) for older clients - specifically including the tray-loading iMac.
So my question is, how can I go about retiring the old Xserve and still serve/maintain these Tiger client images on Snow Leopard Server?
Can I simply copy the images to the share point in the new Snow Leopard Server and enable NetBoot 1.0? Would I need to create a new image (using the Snow Leopard Server System Image Utility) that starts from a source Tiger installation disc and then add appropriate software as packages? Or can I simply use those existing images (with what I presume means software cannot be added) and serve them up on Snow Leopard Server?
Basically, I have those tray-loading iMacs running a fairly minimal setup (base operating system, ability to join to our LDAP server, and very lightweight open source programs). As (if) they die, we are replacing them with newer Intel-based systems. Having said that, there are still at least 9 or so of these tray-loading iMacs quietly humming along with no indication of failure in the near future (nice job, Apple). It's not a problem if I cannot add software to the images (as it seems most software would require Leopard anyway) - but I would like to serve these up on the network. Any thoughts/ideas?

You can copy your existing images to the 10.6 server, enable NetBoot 1.0, and they will be served up just fine. The only thing you would need 10.4 server for is to create new images.

Samba on Linux with Tiger clients

Maybe someone can help me with this, I am not sure if this is the place to ask or not... I have a new Linux (SuSE 10) server running Samba. My issues are two-fold. My Tiger clients have to authenticate manually -twice in order to be able to log in. Second, and this is more important, I cannot write to the Home directory once connected, I get a message saying I do not have permission whenever I try to transfer files. Has anyone seen this? Permissions are set to Read/Write on the Linux box. Any help would be appreciated!

It was answeres in the Networking forum.

Can A Boot Camp Partition Made With Leopard Live With Tiger?

If I downgrade from Leopard back to Tiger, will my Boot Camp XP partition still be bootable and recognizable?

The short answer is YES. I say that because now all driver updates are offered by apple on the WINDOWS SIDE via Apple Software Update so you shouldn't need Leopard for that. This means that downgrading to Tiger should not affect the Windows partition and its contents.
Be sure to back up everything before downgrading.
Axel F.

Can I use Snow Leopard Server with Windows clients?

Mainly for e-mails and calendars. I have small office with 12 windows computers from XP to Win 7 and MS Office from 2003 to 2007. Will Snow Leopard Server work with that?

Can Mac OS X Server do this? Sure.
You're going to be learning a whole lot about running a server, regardless.
You really need to sort out what you have here and where you want to be, and how to upgrade or replace yor migrate your environment, and before you add the substantial increase in complexity of serving Windows from Mac. If you can't get off of Office circa 2003 or similarly old software, what are you going to do when you find, say, an incompatibility, or a need to migrate mail clients? Who are you going to call for help?
I'd guess that Small Business Server (SBS) is likely your best target here.
AFAIK, Exchange Server (which I'm guessing is what you're using) supports larger mailboxes in newer releases.
Look at the sustaining costs for what you're considering purchasing, too. How much it'll cost to configure, deploy and maintain the box and the network. Up-front costs are an obvious consideration, but maintaining many boxes and many versions itself introduces costs.
The arrival of Lion Server next month does not change my opinion. (And I'm not usually suggesting Windows and Windows Server boxes, either.) (And with the arrival of Lion and Lion Server, I'll follow my usual approach and not look to upgrade to the first release of that (or any other) new platform, if there are business-critical functions and services involved. You need time to debug and test the deployment.)

Snow Leopard Server and PPC clients

Just three short questions :
Has anyone managed to have Tiger PPC 10.4.11 accounts on Snow Leopard Server 10.6.4 ?
If yes, have this clients a network home directory on the Server ?
Have you encountered any trouble with these Tiger's clients ?
You don't have to post a long reply. Just answer yes or no and that way I would know if I've made a mistake or if there is a bug in Snow Leopard Server.
Thanks in advance for all your answers.

Hi
Ditto with Jeff
+"Has anyone managed to have Tiger PPC 10.4.11 accounts on Snow Leopard Server 10.6.4?"+
Yes. Lots of times. Also had 10.4, 10.5 and 10.6 clients logging in with network accounts on a 10.4 Server.
+"If yes, have these clients a network home directory on the Server?"+
Yes.
+"Have you encountered any trouble with Tiger clients?"+
No.
Tony

Mounting remote AFP volumes on Panther Server from Tiger client.

Has anyone else had this problem....
When connecting to a remote AFP share hosted on a Mac OS X 10.3.9 server I receive a message "Mount Failed, Could not mount volume “sharename.”. This happens when I enter the FQDN followed by the share name, for example "afp://servername.domain.co.uk/sharepoint". The client is part of an Open Directory domain and automounts work fine during boot as the home directory sharepoint works with local and remote homes. I have setup many 10.3.9 servers and have never encountered this issue on a Panther client.
Any help would be much appreciated and its driving me to distraction!
Regards
James.

We are not using the server for users' home directories, but thanks for that tip.
Today we have also started having issues at another site with a 10.3.8 server and Tiger clients. The behavior is a little different: when connecting to the Pather server with Tiger clients using a keychain-saved password, the client machine will freeze and must be rebooted. The server is showing no process crashes. Deleting the keychain and entering the password each time fixes the problem.
At the other site, the server is 10.3.9 and when Tiger clients tried to connect using a keychain password, their machine would get a spinning beach ball, but they could get out of it.

Managing Leopard clients with Tiger Workgroup Manager

The WGM prefences are not working on the Leopard clients that I set in the Tiger server, but they work on the Tiger clients. You can't manage Leopard clients with a Tiger server? What gives? Help!

You can look here for starters.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1499636&tstart=0

Tiger clients having difficulties accessing Snow Leopard update server

Greetings! I have about 500 Macs in my network, running Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard. I just installed a transparent Snow Leopard (Mac mini, 10.6.7) software update server. The update server sits within my network, with my internal DNS server directing all requests to it. The update server uses an external DNS server, so it is able to access the Apple server without any issues and download the updates. Leopard and Snow Leopard clients are able to access it with no issues and download updates.
My Tiger clients, however, are not. When a Tiger client tries to access the update server through Software Update, it displays the message "A networking error has occurred: Error NSURLErrorDomain - 1100 (-1100). Make sure you can connect to the Internet, then try again." I tested this on about a half dozen Macs on different VLANs, including one set up on the same VLAN as the server. Several things: 1) the Tiger clients CAN access the network, network resources, and browse to the software update server's index.sucatalog file using a browser; and 2) the update server has no log entry indicating a connection was attempted by the Tiger client. (It does, however, show plenty of activity by Leopard and Snow Leopard clients.)
If I enter the following command on one of my Tiger clients, it CAN access the update server:
defaults write /Library/Preferences/com.apple.SoftwareUpdate CatalogURL "http://swscan.apple.com:8088/index.sucatalog"
And the update server posts a log entry acknowledging the access. However, I get a message on the client that the software is up to date. The software is not. I tried to update a PowerPC G4 with a fresh installation of 10.4, and I KNOW it needs updating! I copied and enabled all update packages to my server, and I have seen the necessary updates in the list. My clients are unmanaged.
So, after a morning of testing, trial, error, and digging around log files, I've concluded the following:
1. My software update server is not automatically redirecting Tiger clients appropriately (the network error message)
2. The server's index.sucatalog either does not contain the updates list for Tiger clients, or the Tiger clients are not processing it correctly.
So, my questions are, what do I need to do on my server to redirect the Tiger clients appropriately (because it totally defeats the whole purpose of networking to touch every client and change the software updates .plist file), and what file do Tiger clients need to be directed to to get the appropriate updates list? I've looked at the swupd.conf file; it does not have a redirect for Tiger clients, so I added one (directing it to index.sucatalog), but it did not make any difference.
At this point, I am perplexed. Does anyone have any suggestions? I have read the Mac OS X Server System Imaging & Software Update Administration Version 10.6 Snow Leopard manual, and it was not helpful. I've also searched extensively on Google and found little helpful information.
Thank you for any assistance you can provide.

Searching on the net brought me to the same solution that Mr. Hoffman found as well, I was a bit skeptical at first but since he recommended it, and all my other attempts failed, it was a last resort and I have some additional notes of my own for a successful solution. Read the two links below first before doing anything, as they contribute to the solution in tandem.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=7221295&postcount=20
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=9081641&postcount=28
I should probably just create an entirely new post with all of the steps that worked for me, but it's rather straightforward nonetheless.

Leopard (10.5.5) client not login on Tiger (10.4.11) Server

Subj.
New iMac with 10.5.5 not login on server. Just message:
"You are unable to log on in to the user account "name" at this time.
Logging in to the account failed because an error occurred."
On this imac i can logon as local user or diradmin. But after login as diradmin i see this message:
"The home folder for user "diradmin" is not located in the usual place or cannot be accessed.
The home or User folder may have been moved or deleted. If the home folder is located on the network, the server may be unavailable temporarile. If you continue to have problem, see you system administrator."
Home folder for users created on Mac OS X Server:
afp://serverIP/Users
Path:
username
Home:
/Volumes/Users/username
WT??
Tiger clients login properly.
I'm search all forum and not find answer..
Please, help me or point me on related topic!

John-
Just realized I didn't answer your question.
For the /Users directory, I have no ACLs set.
However, for an individual user directory, I did the following:
- select the user directory in the left pane under Share Points
- click the Users/Groups button (bottom center of WGM window) to expose a slide-out window containing available users.
- dragged the owner of the user directory to the ACL window
- set "Allow" and "Full Control" permissions for that user
- then propagated the permissions (drop-down from the little gear in the bottom right corner).
I now have no issues logging in from Leopard clients. Hopefully this is helpful and more completely answers your question.

Leopard server, Tiger clients, 'IP address in use' error messages

I am really at my wit's end here. We have about 100 iBooks running 10.4.11 and a couple hundred MacBooks running Leopard. I took away the job of DHCP from my Windows Server 2003 servers because it couldn't seem to keep the Tiger clients straight, and now the Leopard server is doing the same thing. The laptops are shut down and booted often 10 times a day for use in different classes by different students in different segments of the building, but all the same subnet. Very often, iBooks get an "IP in use by [some other Mac's MAC address], server [IP address of Xserve]" it looks just like this: http://podfeet.com/NosillaCast/NC2006_05_21/iperror.jpg
In addition, when I go to look up the client list on the Leopard server via Server Admin, it shows several instances of the same computer name, same MAC address, different IP address, as well as same computer name, different MAC address, same IP address, and, of course, same IP address for two or three different computers. This is as bad as, if not worse, than Windows server! But it's only the Tiger clients, and I can easily see the duplications in the list, why can't the server see that and do something about it?
I am going to be moving to SL server, but not soon enough. Apparently, it's much easier to assign static IP assignments in SL server than Leopard server. I need a resolution for this now, though. I have Googled quite a bit, but nothing I've found matches my situation. And it causes chaos. After the students clear away the IP conflict box, they often cannot log in until a local admin logs in and "renews IP address" or they restart and clear the error boxes until it gets an IP address it will accept.
I can paste in some console logs if that would help, but essentially, the client refuses the IP address offered by the server, so that suggests that it arps the address itself and determines it's already in use. This whole system, which should be so intelligent, seems so clueless. Why doesn't the server realize it's giving the same IP to different computers, listing the same computers twice with the same and different IPs, etc.? Why doesn't the laptop keep trying to get an IP address? It's extremely frustrating for teachers and students alike.
I really thought this would get better using Leopard server instead of the Windows server, but it actually seems worse now. I've done tests to see if there is a different DHCP server somewhere, but none ever shows up.
Anyone with insight, I'd appreciate it. Thanks

MrHoffman wrote:
One big 172.16.0.0/12 subnet? Ok. Not my first choice.
It's /16, but still was not my choice either. With about 50 printers and servers with static IPs that would all need the mask changed, I put off clipping the subnet mask since VLANs were in the works anyway.
MrHoffman wrote:
The network traffic for a DHCP lease or a lease renewal is negligible.
Figure a few messages at intervals of half the lease time for each client.
There already appears to be a DHCP failure here.
I tried many different things with the 2003 Servers, usually two at a time handing out IPs (same subnet, different range, i.e. one serving 172.16.2.1-3.254/16 and the other 172.16.4.1-5.254/16), and the iBooks would often sit for minutes without getting an IP at all. I'd have to turn on the Xserve's DHCP server to hand out an additional range in the subnet (172.16.6.1-254/16), and the iBooks would then snap up IPs and authenticate to AD.
MrHoffman wrote:
And as for the weirdness, I'd be wondering if the DHCP traffic is being filtered by some of the devices present in this network; it's very easy to have a DHCP server active on a WiFi device (which is why most larger sites have them all configured as APs) and it's also easily feasible to have a rogue WiFi around.
Thanks, all good ideas, but I don't think the problem here. I have all Airport Extreme base stations in Bridge Mode. I regularly do scans for rogue APs, and the iBooks would not associate to one anyway - they only know the school network and need admin access to change. In fact, so inflexible is Tiger that when I started changing to WPA2 from WPA, same SSID and password, the iBooks would not associate to the WPA2 networks without local admin login and manually choosing the SSID (and the password was still in the keychain and worked). I then brought some iBooks back to an area with just WPA (older firmware on older Airport could not do WPA2) and the iBooks were once again stranded. Leopard laptops moved seamlessly between the same APs.
I've also done some testing for rogue DHCP servers, but nothing was found, and I've not seen any wierd IPs coming up.
MrHoffman wrote:
Subnetting and vlans are options. If this is a decent-sized network, I'd definitely look to subnet it; you're already in line for subnetting now, what with what is probably mixed faculty and student traffic.
The reason that VLANs are on hold was that I told admin that with our limited wireless network (1 SSID, Airport not VLAN-aware), when they were not in an office with their laptops on ethernet, they'd only get Internet through the wireless (which would be on student/teacher VLAN), no access to admin servers or printers. I was surprised at the vociferous response.
MrHoffman wrote:
I'd probably toss a monitor onto different parts of the network - if you've not already tried this - and go hunting for "surprises". (If you're spec'ing out for bids on an upgrade, having packet-monitoring capabilities and rogue detection is really handy. That'll tell you if you have a rogue, or if DHCP traffic is pushing you over the edge.)
I have an old PC catching syslogs and it has Wireshark, but I haven't turned that on in a while. If I have time, I will see if I can capture anything. I did get bids on Cisco and Procurve wireless and network infrastructure upgrades last year, and pretty much got the 'no way, talk to the hand' response (and a few more Apple APs).
MrHoffman wrote:
Go talk to the finance folks and to the school board, and tell them that their servers and their network traffic are all exposed to the students. If they're not running encryption, they're toast. (And they're potentially toast even if they are.) That discussion both for reasons of budget, and to cover you, as this looks to be the textbook network configuration case that eventually "blows up" on the IT staff.
We're a medium-sized independent high school with a strapped budget. I have requested and explained everything, but it hasn't sunk in. Last year, I made everything work. This year, without all the special qos settings and tweaks to the switches I made last year to keep things mostly together, things are much more wonky (I stripped out all the qos settings over the summer while preparing for the VLANs, which I assumed was a no-brainer to happen. Unfortunately, I didn't document the settings before I cleared them, and I can't quite achieve the same balance this year). And, by the way, IT staff is pretty much me.

Can I use migration assistant from a mac with leopard to a mac with tiger?

My old mac was upgraded to leopard, (don't ask me why), and I just got a new mac with tiger, although I ordered leopard up to date. Can I use migration assistant to move stuff from the old mac with leopard to the new mac with tiger, or do I have to wait until I get the copy of leopard? Plus, if I move files over now- like through email and/or network connection, and then when I get leopard and archive and install, what happens to my files?

That is correct. You'll need either an ethernet cable or a firwire cable and a firewire to thunderbolt adapter to connect the two macs together. Here's info on Migration/Setup assistant
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4889?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

Please could somebody help me I have an iMac which came with Tiger 10.4.10 installed I have lost my disks and I need to re-install after a hard drive failure. Where can I find this? I will upgrade to Snow Leopard after but I cannot go straight to SL

Please could somebody help me I have an iMac which came with Tiger 10.4.10 installed I have lost my disks and I need to re-install after a hard drive failure. Where can I find this? I will upgrade to Snow Leopard after but I cannot go straight to SL

You can go strait to SL, all you need is a retail SL DVD available from Apple for $20. The US online store has them at:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC573Z/A/mac-os-x-106-snow-leopard

Hi, I want to downgrade from OSX LEOPARD to OSX TIGER but I have a few questions regarding this. My iMac is originally from 2007 it came preloaded with tiger. I have original install tiger discs version 10.4.10. Is it safe to downgrade or not please help

Hi, I want to downgrade from OSX LEOPARD to OSX TIGER but I have a few questions regarding this. My iMac is originally from Sep 2007 it came preloaded with tiger. I have original install (2) tiger discs version 10.4.10. I want to know if it is safe and what are the necessary steps to do so. Also by downgrading im wondering if a lot of apps nowadays support tiger for example I have photoshop version 5 and 4 these are very important to me. One last question does anyone know of any reliable virus protection for mac that doesnt slow down your computer? because I have read that a lot of them do so. If anyone can help me I would greatly appreciate it! Here are the specs for my iMac
Model Name:
iMac
Model Identifier:
iMac7,1
Processor Name:
Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed:
2 GHz
Number Of Processors:
1
Total Number Of Cores:
2
L2 Cache:
4 MB
Memory:
2 GB
Bus Speed:
800 MHz

Most of the time a perception of general slow performance is the result of installing third party junk alleged to speed up, "clean" or "optimize" your Mac, or to look for viruses that don't exist. Ideally you would know what you installed so you can uninstall it, but if you don't know or aren't sure there are techniques such as Safe Mode and creating a temporary user account to confirm that suspicion.
If you open Activity Monitor it may show a process, or processes, that occupy a lot of your system's time.
Slowness confined solely to web browser activity is often the result of an inexorable progress toward websites that demand ever more processor-intensive tasks. If your slow performance is strictly limited to web browsing, you might try disabling Flash by either uninstalling it, or use utilities such as ClickToFlash that allow you to control what Flash content gets loaded. Flash in itself is not inherently evil, but there is nothing to stop websites or the advertisers who pay for them from writing horrible Flash code that can do everything from hogging 100% of your CPU's time to causing random crashes. You can watch Activity Monitor as in the above to correlate these troublesome web pages with performance degradation.
You are correct; if your computer shipped with Tiger you may certainly revert to it. I forgot that Tiger was shipping on new Macs as recently as five years ago. To downgrade it would be necessary to completely erase your hard disk and boot with the Tiger installation DVD, followed by installing it anew. Such drastic measures are not necessary and you are unlikely to be satisfied with the results anyway.
Assuming your system is free of third party parasitic junk attached to OS X in an ill-conceived attempt to improve upon it, that your hard disk drive is sound and the boot volume has enough free space to work with, by far the best performance-enhancing improvement would be to add more memory. Buy as much as your computer can use and that you can afford. 2 GB is not that much any more.
Read the following for some recommended troubleshooting techniques from Apple:
General purpose Mac troubleshooting guide: Isolating issues in Mac OS X
Creating a temporary user to isolate user-specific problems: Isolating an issue by using another user account
Memory limitations: Using Activity Monitor to read System Memory and determine how much RAM is being used
Identifying resource hogs and other tips: Runaway applications can shorten battery runtime
Starting the computer in "safe mode": Mac OS X: What is Safe Boot, Safe Mode?

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