Lightroom preview and JPG color difference.

I'm a Photographer. Using Windows Vista and a brand new Dell 24" HC LCD monitor. Freshly calibrated with a MonacoOPTIX calibration kit. The profile generated is my default monitor profile. After calibration, I looked at some of my past photographic work and the colors looked very saturated to me. And the images all looked a bit brighter as well. I was working in an uncalibrated environment before so I figured thats why my pictures looked different. I shoot in RAW (Canon) and I always (and still do) export all of my work as sRGB.
Yesterday I was working on a personal image and noticed my preview in Lightroom looks a bit different than the output in JPG. I verified my settings and I am outputting to sRGB. I'm expecting my preview and and the JPG to match almost exactly.
See the screenshot here: http://lifesharephoto.smugmug.com/photos/256400141_Qy7np-L-1.jpg
Notice the web version is much brighter and more staurated?
Why would that be?

Lou, you are using a non-managed browser. No matter how much you calibrate, it will not show you correct color, even if you use sRGB. This is because your monitor's gamut will differ slightly from sRGB. IE7 is not color managed, even though Microsoft promised it would be a long time ago. Currently only Safari is color managed. Firefox 3.0 beta can color manage if you enable it in the settings. There is unfortunately nothing you can do about it and you have to realize that even if you do everything right, your audience will see different colors. They will all cluster around what you saw in Lightroom though and you should absolutely not trust your IE7 display, even if you calibrate. Only your monitor has that specific response. Other people will see more saturated greens, or more saturated blues, or the opposite. There is no predicting. It will all cluster more or less around sRGB though.

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