Mac Pro and Core i7 Chip ?
Does anyone have any idea what sort of advantage the Intel i7 chip will have over the current chip in the Mac Pro. Is it worth waiting until MacWorld in January for a possible announcement of the move to this chip.
MacPro is due for a redesign and this could happen at the same time.
I am looking to upgrade my 4 year old MacPro from PowerPC chip to the Intel chip - i have already upgraded my iMac and MacBook Pro..... so my main workstation is lagging way behind. Getting frustrating working with Aperture and PS3 so need to upgrade ... but is it worth waiting ?
thanks
Head out to tech sites that review and deal with Intel and Nehalem and see what Intel has said and what others have seen from engineering benchmarks.
Can you upgrade drives, memory and such to hold your G5 for a year? If not, I'd buy now instead of perpertual wait for something better. The Apple Store Specials has a lot of choices in refurbished models. Solid, work well.
My take: bleeding edge can be just that. Normally I wait 3-4 months if possible after a launch. Also, be aware that you can't run an older OS than what it ships with.
I assume you're already familiar with tech reviews.
http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?NewsID=370&date=03-28-2007#370
http://realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT040208182719
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/what-you-need-to-know-about-nehalem.a rs
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14361
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14842
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14950
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Ok so ive been using a mac since the start of this year, i started out with a top spec mac mini, which i love but i now need more power.
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What i want is a computer i can game with for games such as skyrim, borderlands, battlefield 3, starcraft 2 etc and run them at the highest graphic settings with no problems, on top of this i will be doing graphic design, web design and some video editing using adobe software and ofcourse apple software, besides that i will be using it to watch movies, play music, browse and download/upload etc as an everyday person would.
IMac
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