Media manager shifts timecode on long clip copies

We make sub clips from an hour long show daily, then consolidate these sub clips using media manager to be their own master clips. Then we(theoretically) delete the entire hour show and work only with the clips we want. This has been working great for small clips of a few seconds, but we are finding that longer clips (4-5 minutes) have timecode shifts creating nightmares for our finisher.... big shifts of 20 seconds and more.
Has anyone else had this issue?

You are taking a 720x486 clip, and blowing it up to 6 times the size, and trying to retain some semblance of quality...YES the MM will take 16 hours. It takes time to do this. Want to cut this time? Get an HD capture card and capture the footage via the card, upconverting it as you capture. Then the process is real time.
Top end machine or not, you are asking a lot, and it will take time. This isn't a 10 second or 2 minute clip...it is nearly an hour long.
Shane

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Awesome, that would be great.
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