Missing glyph substitution affects line spacing

I am using Palatino in my documents, but frequently need to use the male and female symbols (♂ and ♀) to indicate the grammatical gender of words. The problem is that the font doesn't contain these glyphs and so pages nicely chooses a another font to represent the glyph. Every time it does this it messes up the line spacing so that there is extra space around the line with the substituted glyph. I used to think that it was a question of which font the system or pages chose to supply the missing glyph from, but now I think it is just the substitution itself.
Does anyone know how I can manage this 'feature'?

Different typefaces have different amount of "space" above and below the letterform. Even the same face, produced by different sources will vary. Your symbols likewise. Try making the symbols a bit smaller. Or make the line spacing a bit larger.
This isn't a bug. No need to report.
Walt

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