Mixing HDV and DVCPRO HD footage in a timeline?

Can this be done in FCP 6?
Thanks.

But you would have to render one or the other depending what you sequence settings are.
Not with FCP 6 David. You can mix formats on the same timeline without rendering. That is the point of the mixed format timeline. BUT...he is right, eventually, before you output, you will have to render something. If your sequence settings are DVCPRO HD, then the HDV will have a light or dark green render bar above it. WOrkable for editing, but in the end you will have to render before you output.
Now mixing FRAME RATES...that is another story.
Shane

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HDV and DVCPro HD in the same timeline???

If I want to mix 720p footage from both HDV and DVCPro HD (from the JVC HD100 and Panasonic HVX200 respectively), what timeline preset should I set it for: 720p30 HDV or 720p30 DVCPro HD? If I set it for HDV 720p30, will this mess up the DVCPro HD?

Create a DVCPro HD timeline, then drop HDV onto it. You will need to render the timeline with the HDV footage to play it smoothly, but it will save you rendering all your footage, even if you are not going to use it.
Rendering all your HDV into DVCPro will require a lot more storage if you captured it as native HDV or about the same amount of storage if you used Apple Intermediate Codec (AIC) HDV.
Even if it does play back smoothly (using RT extreme or whatever) you should force render the timeline, to make sure of the look of HDV rendered in DVC Pro HD meets your requirements.

Mixing HDV and DVCPRO HD

I'm working on a project where the interviews were shot in HDV 1080i60, and most of the B-roll was shot in DVCPROHD 720p24 (but some in HDV 1080i60).
Ordinarily I'd choose to edit at the lesser resolution, but I'm thinking that since most of the material is 1080i60, that's the ideal sequence resolution and frame rate, even though this would involve uprezzing the 720p material slightly. I'm also thinking that the progressive material will look better in an interlaced sequence than vice-versa, and since the 720p material is DVCPRO HD, it ought to weather the uprez decently. Stop me if you disagree.
The next question is codec. My first thought was: edit in HDV, then swap out for a better codec (ProRes or DVCPRO HD) before final output. That seems better than the prospect of cross-coding everything to ProRes or something. Again, stop me if you disagree.
Thanks, everyone, for your input and helping me think through this...

Thanks X. Why not HQ? Too much disk space for no quality benefit?
Where do editors get to fire the director who didn't think through the post issues?
Seriously, I'm not complaining. This actually is not as bad as the one-hour show which was shot with five cameras: two XDCAM, one HDV, one three-chip DV and one one-chip DV...

Why won't Premiere Pro allow me to drag and drop my footage into the timeline?

why wont my software allow me to drag and drop my footage into the timeline?
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Orange render bar on native DV or DVCPRO HD footage in matching timelines

Okay, I've searching and calling people to figure this one out. I've captured DV footage, removed the pulldowns correctly to make it 24p, and I've used easy setup and checked my timeline settings. All correct and matching. So, why are the raw clips dropped onto the timeline presenting me with an orange render bar. This is happening with DVCPRO HD footage too. I don't remember this being an issue until updating to 5.1.3. I upgraded, so I have to downgrade to test my theory.
I have 5.0.4 still installed, so I tried it. Used XML to reopen project in 5.0.4, I have no such problems, no orange render line. What's the deal? Is 5.1.3-5.1.4 have to use core video or something that my graphic card in my old G4 tower can't handle?
Please somebody tell me this is happening to them too. It doesn't occur on my MacBook Pro, just my tower.
PPC G4 1.4Ghz, 1.5Gig RAM Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Sorry, I didn't mention all that I tried. I did dump the prefs, still no use. I'm trying to find 5.1.2 right now, see if it did it. I don't remember an issue under 5.1.1 either.
This is very frustrating because it's supposed to be running natively on the media that FCP runs natively. Even the old versions work better at this. Not a problem if you're on an Intel box with the new stuff. Seems like it's purposely crippled.

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Yes, but it will look like crud. This question gets asked a bunch so there are lots of responses out there explaining why this will be the case.
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x

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Hey everyone well i have just bought Final Cut Express4 and am ready to start logging HD Footage as well as Standard Definition Footage,
i want all my project in the timeline in 4/3 Aspect!
so is it possible to log HD Footage as 4/3 aspect in FCE4? if this is possible then what should should i set my Easy Setup Menu as?????
Basically i am a full rookie and want to have a timeline all in 4/3 aspect.
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Hi(Bonjour)!
You can mix HDV and DV in a project, but the con-conform one have to be scaled to fit the screen.
So Capture all your material in thier respective format (easy setup).
Now, to edit your 4:3 DV sequence: choose easy setup DV NTSC.
Put your DV clips in the timeline as usal but when your insert your HDV one, set the scale to something like 30%. The HDV clip should fit the screen at top and bottom, but you'll loose the right or left edge because of the 16:9 aspect ratio. Use the wireframe view to position (pan) such clips to best suit the compisiton in canvas.
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SONY EX1 and Cannon 5D together on same timeline?

Hello
Need to edit EX1 and Cannon 5D footage on same timeline - both 1080p 30fps. What is best timeline? Pro Res 422? I know how to import SONY EX1 footage, but how to import/convert/edit 5D, and on same timeline as EX1 footage? Using FCP 7 latest.
Also, anything to watch out for, be aware of using these two together?
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K

Convert both to ProRes. Or you can keep the XDCAM native, but convert the 5D to ProRes and use a ProRes timeline. 1080p 29.97 ProRes timeline.
DO NOT edit the native H.264 Canon files. FCP will choke.
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Best "Capture" workflow for projects mixing HDV tape and XDCAM footage

I'm trying to determine the best workflow for projects that combine XDCAM and HDV footage.
I'd obviously do the editing in a project designed for XDCAM, as that's the higher quality footage,
and render the HDV clips in the XDCAM timeline...ending up with an XDCAM end product.
I'd use SONY'S XDCAM TRANSFER to get the clips into FCP.
My question concerns capturing the HDV footage in this scenario. I've never been able to get
the Log and Capture feature for HDV footage to work, unless I've created an HDV project and am capturing into that HDV project.
So, generally, I create an HDV project, open the log and capture utility which is now set to capture HDV, and then capture the footage. I then close that project and create a new project, designed for XDCAM footage. I use XDCAM Transfer to get the XDCAM footage into the project, and I import
the previously captured HDV footage into that browser and start editing, rendering the HDV in the XDCAM timeline.
My question...do I really have to open, what is essentially a "fake" HDV project just to capture that HDV footage? You don't seem to have the option of capturing HDV footage (out of a camera or HDV tape deck) directly into an XDCAM project. If I try to change the capture or audio video settings of the XDCAM project to HDV, you get messages saying you can't do it.
Is there something I'm missing or a more streamlined way of doing this?
Thanks in advance for any input.

No need to jump through these hoops. Just set yourself up with a universal Easy Setup that will handle both. Choose your regular XDCAM HD Easy Setup then open the Audio / Video Settings window and change the Capture Preset to "HDV" and the Device Control Preset to "HDV Firewire" ... then click the "Create Easy Setup" button and save it for recall whenever needed.
Regarding the overall workflow, I'd seriously question the idea of creating XDCAM HD masters. No real benefit to that unless you need to export to XDCAM HD. Much better would be export your final master as Apple ProRes 422.
Best
Andy

Mixing interlaced and progressive HDV footage?

Is anyone mixing interlaced and progressive footage on a FCP 5 timeline? Would you set the timeline up for progressive or interlaced settings? Would there be any loss in quality? I'm specifically wondering how well the true progressive of the JVC HD100 would combine with the "faux" progressive of the Canon A1.

I was hoping someone else would jump in with answers, because I am not familiar with either camera, and can't give you a definite answer, but I would hazard a guess that if you set both cameras to a 1/30th shutter, you would be able to mix the footage, but it would be very difficult to shoot, because it is such a slow shutter.
Other routes, would be converting the footage using compressors advanced formats conversion, and other tricks on the timeline, with removing fields and blending etc.
I think generally though, if you were going to intercut footage, you would notice it, at some level.
Some tests would help you enormously, as would renting a second camera identical to the first.
Good luck - post back with what worked and what didn't.

Mixing XDCAM and HDV?? Outputting to SD DVD...

Hi
Earlier this year we shot a documentary on a Sony PDW-F350L HD XDCam (great camera, stunning footage - 35Mbps). Working in FCP has been fine.
We're doing a follow up and budget and logistics dictate that we sadly can't use 350s again (where we're going, carrying 2 Z1s for example is going to be a lot easier). We're also on a fairly steep learning curve (being relatively new to FCP, Compressor etc).
So I'm looking at options. We know that there are significant differences between say a Z1 and a 350 but from my research so far and from some relatively simple testing mixing Z1 footage (native) and 350 footage on FCP, at least editing on the timeline doesn't seem like it's going to present any problems (although thoughts on that welcome).
The issue seems to be outputting. In the first instance we'll be outputting to SD DVD. Yes, that old gem...
Searching round various forums, it seems this problem (HDV - SD) is fairly universal. Solutions seem to range from not working in Native HDV (suggestions vary on the format to ingest in - AIC etc); outputting to different formats first (eg DVCPro HD) and then to MPEG-2; outputting the timeline to tape (DV), re-importing; using some thing like a Matrox MXO to output and others...
We're aware of the shortcoming of HDV and the compressed nature of the format and our expectations, given our kit are realistic. I've even tried putting some PD150 footage on the timeline but that's just not going to cut it.
So, I've got to put a kit list together by next week and wondered if anyone had any thoughts on:
1) Mixing XDCAM and HDV on the timeline and any gotchas we should watch out for.
but more importantly
2) Any suggested routes I can look at to get some reasonable output with these two formats on the timeline - particularly HDV (don't think we'll have time to look at the Matrox route right now).
Many thanks in advance for any thoughts.
Cheers

Thanks Andy, Michael
That's good input. From an editing point of view we seem to be ok. Although, Michael, I take your point and that's a good suggestion.
The main problem is the workflow to create a decent SD DVD without the artefacts caused by compression/motion etc in HDV (and to some extent XDCAM).
Have read the prores whitepaper at
http://images.apple.com/finalcutstudio/resources/whitepapers/L342568A_ProResWP.pdf
And looked a little more into understanding GOP structures and it seems that ProRes will help in terms of editing.
The white paper seems to suggest that converting to ProRes, because it uses I frame–only encoding "Ensures consistent quality in every frame and no artifacts from complex motion. "
We'll try some tests but, does anyone know if this is true?
But it also seems that deinterlacing may solve some of the horrendous vertical edge rippling we're getting on the HDV footage when outputting to SD DVD - although if I'm honest I'm not sure how we achive that with our current setting.

Final Cut 5 - HDV and Intermediate / DVCPRO HD recapture

Hello all,
I'm really ready to cry with this one.....
I've completed a project but now the powers in control which for it to be recaptured as intermediate or DVCPRO HD.
I understand I can't do a straight recapture as DVCPRO HD without a capture card. (only have a firewire deck)
I if try and capture as intermediate it does not want to replace my media with the new files but completly capture all the footage again.
Is there anyway to capture as intermediate and not need to re-edit everything? The project is complete apart from grading and effects.
Any ideas to my problem?
Thanks

Please don't cry...
Actually you may not need to. If you are doing what I think its not too hard a job.
First, is your project shot originally on HDV? So did you bring all the footage in directly from the HDV tape via firewire?
If so then what you need to do is redefine the timeline as DVCPRO-HD. Not recapture the clips! If you recap the clips it will be degrading the original footage via the capture card. Nothing will improve upon the original HDV footage exactly as it was compressed.
BUT you can improve on the output footage. And this is where the DVDPROHD timeline will help. When you apply color correction, titles, transitions etc, the timeline will render all these in HDV again - effectively recompressing AGAIN in HDV. Not good. But if you define the timeline as DVDPRO-HD (or even uncompressed), then any parts of the timeline where there are effects will be much better. You will still have your HDV quality source media but any time work is done on a clip the render will be better than if you kept the timeline in HDV.
So basically,
- press command-0 to change the timeline. Select the new codec of your choice (such as DVDPRO-HD)
- re-render the timeline since any rendered effects will now appear to need rendering
- print out to DVCPRO-HD master tape (or transfer to a system with a board to connect to a deck for output)
Hope this helps,
Paul Shard
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Can I edit on a ProRes timeline containing XDCAM EX footage and DVCPRO?

I have a documentary project of which the majority was shot with the EX-1 at 1080 24p and I have been editing that footage contained in a 1080 24p ProRes (standard quality) timeline. We have some extra interviews that were shot with a Panasonic Varicam at same frame rate and resolution. Will I be able to drag the DVCPRO HD files directly into the ProRes timeline and edit with it and the EX-1 footage?
I assume that whatever footage I insert into the ProRes timeline is being converted to ProRes on the fly. This has worked well with the EX-1 footage. Not sure how it will be with the DVCPRO HD footage...will it be too taxing on the CPU? If it was, I think my fallback option would be to transcode all the DVCPRO HD footage to ProRes using Compressor...and then pull it into the timeline.
If anyone has had experience with this, I would very much like to hear your comments.
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