Mixing HDV and DVCPRO HD

I'm working on a project where the interviews were shot in HDV 1080i60, and most of the B-roll was shot in DVCPROHD 720p24 (but some in HDV 1080i60).
Ordinarily I'd choose to edit at the lesser resolution, but I'm thinking that since most of the material is 1080i60, that's the ideal sequence resolution and frame rate, even though this would involve uprezzing the 720p material slightly. I'm also thinking that the progressive material will look better in an interlaced sequence than vice-versa, and since the 720p material is DVCPRO HD, it ought to weather the uprez decently. Stop me if you disagree.
The next question is codec. My first thought was: edit in HDV, then swap out for a better codec (ProRes or DVCPRO HD) before final output. That seems better than the prospect of cross-coding everything to ProRes or something. Again, stop me if you disagree.
Thanks, everyone, for your input and helping me think through this...

Thanks X. Why not HQ? Too much disk space for no quality benefit?
Where do editors get to fire the director who didn't think through the post issues?
Seriously, I'm not complaining. This actually is not as bad as the one-hour show which was shot with five cameras: two XDCAM, one HDV, one three-chip DV and one one-chip DV...

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Mixing HDV and DVCPRO HD footage in a timeline?

Can this be done in FCP 6?
Thanks.

But you would have to render one or the other depending what you sequence settings are.
Not with FCP 6 David. You can mix formats on the same timeline without rendering. That is the point of the mixed format timeline. BUT...he is right, eventually, before you output, you will have to render something. If your sequence settings are DVCPRO HD, then the HDV will have a light or dark green render bar above it. WOrkable for editing, but in the end you will have to render before you output.
Now mixing FRAME RATES...that is another story.
Shane

HDV and DVCPro HD in the same timeline???

If I want to mix 720p footage from both HDV and DVCPro HD (from the JVC HD100 and Panasonic HVX200 respectively), what timeline preset should I set it for: 720p30 HDV or 720p30 DVCPro HD? If I set it for HDV 720p30, will this mess up the DVCPro HD?

Create a DVCPro HD timeline, then drop HDV onto it. You will need to render the timeline with the HDV footage to play it smoothly, but it will save you rendering all your footage, even if you are not going to use it.
Rendering all your HDV into DVCPro will require a lot more storage if you captured it as native HDV or about the same amount of storage if you used Apple Intermediate Codec (AIC) HDV.
Even if it does play back smoothly (using RT extreme or whatever) you should force render the timeline, to make sure of the look of HDV rendered in DVC Pro HD meets your requirements.

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tried using your contact me on your website - it didn't work....

Mixing HDV and AVCHD

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Would i be able to use the HDV 1080i format when ingesting the AVCHD file?

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Mixing XDCAM and HDV?? Outputting to SD DVD...

Hi
Earlier this year we shot a documentary on a Sony PDW-F350L HD XDCam (great camera, stunning footage - 35Mbps). Working in FCP has been fine.
We're doing a follow up and budget and logistics dictate that we sadly can't use 350s again (where we're going, carrying 2 Z1s for example is going to be a lot easier). We're also on a fairly steep learning curve (being relatively new to FCP, Compressor etc).
So I'm looking at options. We know that there are significant differences between say a Z1 and a 350 but from my research so far and from some relatively simple testing mixing Z1 footage (native) and 350 footage on FCP, at least editing on the timeline doesn't seem like it's going to present any problems (although thoughts on that welcome).
The issue seems to be outputting. In the first instance we'll be outputting to SD DVD. Yes, that old gem...
Searching round various forums, it seems this problem (HDV - SD) is fairly universal. Solutions seem to range from not working in Native HDV (suggestions vary on the format to ingest in - AIC etc); outputting to different formats first (eg DVCPro HD) and then to MPEG-2; outputting the timeline to tape (DV), re-importing; using some thing like a Matrox MXO to output and others...
We're aware of the shortcoming of HDV and the compressed nature of the format and our expectations, given our kit are realistic. I've even tried putting some PD150 footage on the timeline but that's just not going to cut it.
So, I've got to put a kit list together by next week and wondered if anyone had any thoughts on:
1) Mixing XDCAM and HDV on the timeline and any gotchas we should watch out for.
but more importantly
2) Any suggested routes I can look at to get some reasonable output with these two formats on the timeline - particularly HDV (don't think we'll have time to look at the Matrox route right now).
Many thanks in advance for any thoughts.
Cheers

Thanks Andy, Michael
That's good input. From an editing point of view we seem to be ok. Although, Michael, I take your point and that's a good suggestion.
The main problem is the workflow to create a decent SD DVD without the artefacts caused by compression/motion etc in HDV (and to some extent XDCAM).
Have read the prores whitepaper at
http://images.apple.com/finalcutstudio/resources/whitepapers/L342568A_ProResWP.pdf
And looked a little more into understanding GOP structures and it seems that ProRes will help in terms of editing.
The white paper seems to suggest that converting to ProRes, because it uses I frame–only encoding "Ensures consistent quality in every frame and no artifacts from complex motion. "
We'll try some tests but, does anyone know if this is true?
But it also seems that deinterlacing may solve some of the horrendous vertical edge rippling we're getting on the HDV footage when outputting to SD DVD - although if I'm honest I'm not sure how we achive that with our current setting.

Mixing HDV, DV, and Pictures, then exporting it all out

I have a mix of DV, HDV, and jpegs that I've put together in Premiere Pro.
The DV I upscaled using VDub to 1920x1280 (not the prettiest but no worse than it looked when I just let the tv scale it to 1080p. Actually, quite a bit better.)
Now it is time to export and I realized I wasn't sure what PAR I need to export to! My upscaled DV is 1, my pictures are obviously 1, but the other video is still 1.33.

Export to what?
Standard definition DVD? If so, you should have just edited in a SD project.
Blu-ray? Then export to MPEG2 Blu-ray at 1440X1080 using 1.33

Best "Capture" workflow for projects mixing HDV tape and XDCAM footage

I'm trying to determine the best workflow for projects that combine XDCAM and HDV footage.
I'd obviously do the editing in a project designed for XDCAM, as that's the higher quality footage,
and render the HDV clips in the XDCAM timeline...ending up with an XDCAM end product.
I'd use SONY'S XDCAM TRANSFER to get the clips into FCP.
My question concerns capturing the HDV footage in this scenario. I've never been able to get
the Log and Capture feature for HDV footage to work, unless I've created an HDV project and am capturing into that HDV project.
So, generally, I create an HDV project, open the log and capture utility which is now set to capture HDV, and then capture the footage. I then close that project and create a new project, designed for XDCAM footage. I use XDCAM Transfer to get the XDCAM footage into the project, and I import
the previously captured HDV footage into that browser and start editing, rendering the HDV in the XDCAM timeline.
My question...do I really have to open, what is essentially a "fake" HDV project just to capture that HDV footage? You don't seem to have the option of capturing HDV footage (out of a camera or HDV tape deck) directly into an XDCAM project. If I try to change the capture or audio video settings of the XDCAM project to HDV, you get messages saying you can't do it.
Is there something I'm missing or a more streamlined way of doing this?
Thanks in advance for any input.

No need to jump through these hoops. Just set yourself up with a universal Easy Setup that will handle both. Choose your regular XDCAM HD Easy Setup then open the Audio / Video Settings window and change the Capture Preset to "HDV" and the Device Control Preset to "HDV Firewire" ... then click the "Create Easy Setup" button and save it for recall whenever needed.
Regarding the overall workflow, I'd seriously question the idea of creating XDCAM HD masters. No real benefit to that unless you need to export to XDCAM HD. Much better would be export your final master as Apple ProRes 422.
Best
Andy

Mixing interlaced and progressive HDV footage?

Is anyone mixing interlaced and progressive footage on a FCP 5 timeline? Would you set the timeline up for progressive or interlaced settings? Would there be any loss in quality? I'm specifically wondering how well the true progressive of the JVC HD100 would combine with the "faux" progressive of the Canon A1.

I was hoping someone else would jump in with answers, because I am not familiar with either camera, and can't give you a definite answer, but I would hazard a guess that if you set both cameras to a 1/30th shutter, you would be able to mix the footage, but it would be very difficult to shoot, because it is such a slow shutter.
Other routes, would be converting the footage using compressors advanced formats conversion, and other tricks on the timeline, with removing fields and blending etc.
I think generally though, if you were going to intercut footage, you would notice it, at some level.
Some tests would help you enormously, as would renting a second camera identical to the first.
Good luck - post back with what worked and what didn't.

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I am trying to combine both HDV and SD video in the same project and iMovie 11 doesn't want to accept the two different types of files at the import stage. Help please.

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Workflow Questions HDV to DVCPro HD to SD DVD?

As the subject says, I have several plays I shot in with 720p and 1080i for the second camera. So I was thinking of converting the HDV to DVCPro HD in their respective size formats to get the i-frame benefits for transitions, color correction, etc. Then ultimately the final delivery will be SD DVD disk. So my question is, to go from HDV to DVCPro HD, compressor has some presets to convert HDV to DVCPro HD and it then makes it non square so the footage viewed in QT looks scrunched but is fine in Final Cut as it compensates. So the deal is since the final delivery is SD DVD is it fine to let compressor move it to non-square or should I try to keep the conversion square? Will it make a difference? I just did a test taking the 720p HDV to 720p DVCPro HD, non-square, then dragged that clip to compressor and output as 16:9 SD mpeg2 and it looks great...just lower resolution. So any input is appreciated on my suggested workflow? Thanks!

The way it looks in your sequence is the way it will come out in the SD DVD... so if it's OK there, it's good to go all the way to a SD MPEG file and burn to a DVD.
Jerry

A little confused about HDV to DVCPro HD etc

Hi, a couple of people have told me to convert my HDV footage to DVCpro for editing / compositing / fades etc because of the quicker workflow in FCP.
Ideally I'd like to output 720p
Does this sound like a good solution... If so should I:
a) Convert all footage using compressor before starting
b) Just create a DVCPro HD timeline in FCP and render the files there
c) Make a DVCPro HD sequence and use something like nattress plugins to create de-interlaced 720p footage..
d) None of the above..
Also, I know I don't 'need' a RAID 0 for HDV, but would I get any substantial improvement if working in DVCPro HD or Motion projects etc.
I'm working on a Quad Mac Pro with 3gb Ram.
Thanks in advance.

First, Craig:
Hi Shane, I am using a Sony HDR-HC1. I'm not sure if the outputs from the camera will plug into the card.
What outputs do you have from the camera? Ah...looking it up I see that it has an S-Video jack. Ick...I wouldn't go that route. Best to rent an HDV deck and use component out. Or upconvert after with compressor.
Fenster:
if I wanted to make my life easier when I color correct and key out my green screen I should convert my footage to DVCPRO HD
Shooting a key with HDV to begin with is not the wisest decision. The HUGE amount of compression. I will also say that pulling a key with DVCPRO HD isn't the best either, but is more doable. I don't think converting HDV to DVCPRO HD would make pulling a key any easier. Compression is already there.
Shane

[CS4] Best way to mix HD and SD?

Hey guys, had some fantastic reading here that's done me a lot of good. Hopefully someone can help me out here.
Here's the scoop - I'm working on a documentary, and we're currently trying to find the best way to mix HD and SD footage so that it's best presentable. Everything was shot on DV/HDV, so before we waste all the time capturing just to find out there are better ways to go about it, we wanted to see what others have done. Essentially, our narrative clips (think Masterpiece Theatre) are shot in HD, and we're using a lot of still images at a high enough resolution to work in HD. Only thing is, a lot of our interview clips are shot in SD, but in 16:9 so at least aspect ratio is the same.
What would be the best way to go about this for consistent video quality? Would you recommend capturing everything in its native format, upscaling the SD footage as best as possible and exporting as HD? Bringing down the quality of the HD footage upon capture and just editing/exporting everything as SD? If you'd recommend upscaling, any advice on how to go about that? Appreciate all the help!

Curt,
I have never beaten him, though I do try often. Job well done!
Now, if that lottery ticket is the big winner, the forum will suffer, as you head off to spend your $'s.
Hunt
PS - I agree with you both.

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